Christian Bakery vs Queerspace
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Queerspace comes across as a bunch of
s looking for battles to fight.The bakery on the other hand didn't think this through either. They should just have fulfilled the order with no fuss or bother. From their prospective it would be the lesser of two evils. Make the dammed cake but also denying the Queerspace people the publicity they were so desperately seeking.
Just imagine.
Queerspace guy: I want a cake with these images on it please.
Baker: OK.
Queerspace guy: It's to promote gay weddings an such like.
Baker: oh.
Queerspace guy: So you are ok with this are you?
Baker: It's a cake. We make cakes. Do you want to collect it or shell we deliver.
Queerspace guy: I've changed my mind. I think I will ask another Cristian baker to make it.
Baker: Very well sir, good day.
If I recall, the actual incident that arose was because the lady (Rosa Parks) who sat down in the wrong part of the bus wasn't protesting on a point of principle. She was protesting on a point of practicality. The seating rules were incoveniencing her due to the weight of the shopping she was trying to carry.
Are these guys seriously claiming they are being incovenienced by not being able to buy a specific cake in shop A when they could buy the same cake in shops B to Z?
Are these guys seriously claiming they are being incovenienced by not being able to buy a specific cake in shop A when they could buy the same cake in shops B to Z?
Eric Mc said:
If I recall, the actual incident that arose was because the lady (Rosa Parks) who sat down in the wrong part of the bus wasn't protesting on a point of principle. She was protesting on a point of practicality. The seating rules were incoveniencing her due to the weight of the shopping she was trying to carry.
Are these guys seriously claiming they are being incovenienced by not being able to buy a specific cake in shop A when they could buy the same cake in shops B to Z?
serious? or troll?Are these guys seriously claiming they are being incovenienced by not being able to buy a specific cake in shop A when they could buy the same cake in shops B to Z?
colonel c said:
Queerspace comes across as a bunch of s looking for battles to fight.
The bakery on the other hand didn't think thugh either. They should just have fulfilled the order as it would be the lesser of two evils. Make the dammed cake but also denying the Queerspace people the publicity they were so desperately seeking.
Just imagine.
Queerspace guy: I want a cake with these images on it please.
Baker: OK.
Queerspace guy: It's to promote gay weddings an such like.
Baker: oh.
Queerspace guy: So you are ok with this are you?
Baker: It's a cake. We make cakes. Do you want to collect it or shell we deliver.
Queerspace guy: I've changed my mind. I think I will ask another Cristian baker to make it.
Baker: Very well sir, good day.
I suspect you're right (although we don't know they didn't just choose the nearest baker to their office...), but if you don't challenge people's prejudices nothing will change. The really daft thing is was just a political message on a cake and refusing it was petty.s looking for battles to fight.The bakery on the other hand didn't think thugh either. They should just have fulfilled the order as it would be the lesser of two evils. Make the dammed cake but also denying the Queerspace people the publicity they were so desperately seeking.
Just imagine.
Queerspace guy: I want a cake with these images on it please.
Baker: OK.
Queerspace guy: It's to promote gay weddings an such like.
Baker: oh.
Queerspace guy: So you are ok with this are you?
Baker: It's a cake. We make cakes. Do you want to collect it or shell we deliver.
Queerspace guy: I've changed my mind. I think I will ask another Cristian baker to make it.
Baker: Very well sir, good day.
Efbe said:
serious? or troll?
The truth.In other words, the original incident that sparked the campaign against segregation on buses did not start off as a protest against the system. It was a genuine case of a lady who felt she couldn't make it to the back of the bus because of the baggage she was carrying.
Now, what followed, of course, was a concerted campaign that grew into the massive civil rights movement to get legislation repealed - and it largely succeeded.
This particular incident is vexatious. It is NOT being set upon to have legislation changed. The legislation has ALREADY been changed.
So, what is the point?
Why are they doing this?
Is it an effort at self publicity, perchance?
Corpulent Tosser said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
Just how is the bakery offering a homosexual person an inferior service ?
Because they are refusing to decorate it with a gay logo/theme, whereas they would do one with a straight theme for a straight person. Hence a lesser service is being offered.That's the whole point of this discussion. Didn't you read the original post?
They have refused to make cakes with other logos/images and they don't want to make this one.
The problem is not the sexual orientation of the purchaser but the product the purchaser wants.
You seem unable to understand the difference.
I'm sure if a man and a woman came in, and her name was Steve, they'd quite happily make the Adam & Steve wedding cake. So it's both the product and the people. Bottom line is they don't approve of gays. They are quite entitled not to approve of gays. The law can't tell you who to like and what to think. But the law does not allow you to carry your disapproval of gays into your business and your dealings with the public.
As someone said, God had his chance to smite the legislators, but he didn't.
Grumfutock said:
This whole topic reminded me of another conversation on here a while back. Smoking.
Now surely if this is discriminating against gays then refusing to employ somebody because they smoke is the same? And yet the law say's otherwise. Screwed up world.
You know being gay isn't something you do by choice?Now surely if this is discriminating against gays then refusing to employ somebody because they smoke is the same? And yet the law say's otherwise. Screwed up world.
This thread is an illustration of how fked up this country and it's people have become.
So apart from climate change
Tax, work, inflation, interest rates, crime, the country going down the tubes, corrupt politicians, political pedophiles, war, Iraq, syria, afg, the arab spring, the palestinian problem, my kids finding gainful work/careers etc, etc
I now have to worry about someone not wanting to bake a cake for someone else.
Why don't they just leave each other alone and stop being idiots?
ked up this country and it's people have become. So apart from climate change
Tax, work, inflation, interest rates, crime, the country going down the tubes, corrupt politicians, political pedophiles, war, Iraq, syria, afg, the arab spring, the palestinian problem, my kids finding gainful work/careers etc, etcI now have to worry about someone not wanting to bake a cake for someone else.
Why don't they just leave each other alone and stop being idiots?
Grumfutock said:
This whole topic reminded me of another conversation on here a while back. Smoking.
Now surely if this is discriminating against gays then refusing to employ somebody because they smoke is the same? And yet the law say's otherwise. Screwed up world.
The crucial difference is that people can choose whether to smoke or not. People don't choose their sexuality. Now surely if this is discriminating against gays then refusing to employ somebody because they smoke is the same? And yet the law say's otherwise. Screwed up world.
If I was gay, I'd walk into the shop singing this song -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1wEVPqFFCg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1wEVPqFFCg
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
Just how is the bakery offering a homosexual person an inferior service ?
Because they are refusing to decorate it with a gay logo/theme, whereas they would do one with a straight theme for a straight person. Hence a lesser service is being offered.That's the whole point of this discussion. Didn't you read the original post?
They have refused to make cakes with other logos/images and they don't want to make this one.
The problem is not the sexual orientation of the purchaser but the product the purchaser wants.
You seem unable to understand the difference.
I'm sure if a man and a woman came in, and her name was Steve, they'd quite happily make the Adam & Steve wedding cake. So it's both the product and the people. Bottom line is they don't approve of gays. They are quite entitled not to approve of gays. The law can't tell you who to like and what to think. But the law does not allow you to carry your disapproval of gays into your business and your dealings with the public.
As someone said, God had his chance to smite the legislators, but he didn't.
A business decided not to sell a particular product, I see no problem with that.
BTW god didn't have a chance to smite the legislators, fictional characters can't do that.
Why not just take the request, don’t comment and then say, as others have done?
Copyright issues with Bert and Ernie
We are too busy right now. Have you tried the bakers in the next town?
Unless of course the original bakers own that one as well.
I usually have the option to buy things or not dependent upon the seller’s viewpoints…
Copyright issues with Bert and Ernie
We are too busy right now. Have you tried the bakers in the next town?
Unless of course the original bakers own that one as well.
I usually have the option to buy things or not dependent upon the seller’s viewpoints…
Eric Mc said:
So, what is the point?
Why are they doing this?
Is it an effort at self publicity, perchance?
Maybe they are highlighting people not following the rules. Maybe they are trying to get the legislation enforced!Why are they doing this?
Is it an effort at self publicity, perchance?
Your argument seems to be that once segregation on buses was made illegal, if it was still occurring then people should just shut up about it and wait for one that isn't segregated.
otolith said:
Ensuring that the legislation is upheld? Ensuring that business know that if they do break the law they can expect to be called on it? Teaching some unpleasant people to mend their ways?
All well and good - except who is being inconvenienced by this shop's behaviour.Who's being denied their cake?
Do gays want their cake and eat it too?
Eric Mc said:
otolith said:
Ensuring that the legislation is upheld? Ensuring that business know that if they do break the law they can expect to be called on it? Teaching some unpleasant people to mend their ways?
All well and good - except who is being inconvenienced by this shop's behaviour.Who's being denied their cake?
Do gays want their cake and eat it too?
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