Scotland after the vote
Discussion
Edinburger said:
Sadly, this thread has gone the way of the main thread on independence and anyone who has the audacity to challenge or contradict the majority No posters is branded a troll.
So sad.
Last chance - do you think the main UK politicos as lying when they say there will be no currency union & if so why do you think that?So sad.
If you do not think they are lying then do you think that iScotland can even function, let alone thrive without one & if so how? (because its a mystery to everyone else).
The currency union but has been done to death. Of course there can be, there are logical reasons to have one. If one does not occur, then that bridge will be crossed be it using the pound without a currency union, a Scots currency, the devil euro or a.n.other... Plan A always is and will be using the pound in some sort of currency agreement and any negotiations will have after a potential yes vote. Like BT say, there will be no pre negotiation so who really knows what will happen, so by that, how can you be so sure that what you say is 100% right? You wouldn't believe a politician most other days so why believe one now? I always have said it and it's down to who do you TRUST more to run your country? The rest will follow...
So stop with the negativity and the berating of those not agreeing with your viewpoint and engage in healthy debate instead of trolling!
So stop with the negativity and the berating of those not agreeing with your viewpoint and engage in healthy debate instead of trolling!
Unfortunately for the Yes campaign the no currency union has been made a mainstream cross party political issue in the rUK so I will be extremely surprised and disappointed if that changed at this late stage.
As a taxpayer I am very much against offering any guarantee over the Scottish economy and I'm pretty sure I'm in the majority.
Scottish politicians will have the task of persuading the rUK public that it's in our interests for any MP to support it in parliament.
As a taxpayer I am very much against offering any guarantee over the Scottish economy and I'm pretty sure I'm in the majority.
Scottish politicians will have the task of persuading the rUK public that it's in our interests for any MP to support it in parliament.
arp1 said:
The currency union but has been done to death. Of course there can be, there are logical reasons to have one. If one does not occur, then that bridge will be crossed be it using the pound without a currency union, a Scots currency, the devil euro or a.n.other... Plan A always is and will be using the pound in some sort of currency agreement and any negotiations will have after a potential yes vote. Like BT say, there will be no pre negotiation so who really knows what will happen, so by that, how can you be so sure that what you say is 100% right? You wouldn't believe a politician most other days so why believe one now? I always have said it and it's down to who do you TRUST more to run your country? The rest will follow...
So stop with the negativity and the berating of those not agreeing with your viewpoint and engage in healthy debate instead of trolling!
All the major rUK parties say no currency union. BoE says it's a bad idea for rUK. People of rUK don't want it. So stop with the negativity and the berating of those not agreeing with your viewpoint and engage in healthy debate instead of trolling!
It isn't happening. Get over it.
Edinburger said:
Helpful clarity: Scotland 'would have to apply', Nato chief says
Scottish Government says:"We have made clear that, following a vote for independence, the Scottish government will notify Nato of our intention to join the alliance and negotiate a transition from membership as part of the UK to independent membership,"
NATO says:
"In [the] case that Scotland voted in favour of independence then Scotland would have to apply for membership of Nato as a new independent state."
Clearly there is no "transition" of membership to negotiate. As with the EU and the GBP, you opt out of the UK, you opt out of everything that being in the UK has to offer. There is no cherry picking as Alex Salmond is slowly realising.
arp1 said:
The currency union but has been done to death. Of course there can be, there are logical reasons to have one. If one does not occur, then that bridge will be crossed be it using the pound without a currency union, a Scots currency, the devil euro or a.n.other... Plan A always is and will be using the pound in some sort of currency agreement and any negotiations will have after a potential yes vote. Like BT say, there will be no pre negotiation so who really knows what will happen, so by that, how can you be so sure that what you say is 100% right? You wouldn't believe a politician most other days so why believe one now? I always have said it and it's down to who do you TRUST more to run your country? The rest will follow...
So stop with the negativity and the berating of those not agreeing with your viewpoint and engage in healthy debate instead of trolling!
If you believe that any UK government might even contemplate negotiating some kind of agreement (currency Union) that involved the BoE (i.e. UK tax payers) underwriting iScotland in any way, shape or form then I've got a beach house in Birmingham you'd be interested in.So stop with the negativity and the berating of those not agreeing with your viewpoint and engage in healthy debate instead of trolling!
Its all about the lender of last resort (and everything that follows from that).
Who's it going to be?
eldar said:
Since you ask.... Based on the TV interviews the yes voters appear - in the main - to be fairly inarticulate, scruffy and aligned in not understanding the issues. The no voters less so.
Purely subjective, of course, and it is entirely possible the UK broadcasters are only picking feckless looking yes people to put on telly.
Ya think?Purely subjective, of course, and it is entirely possible the UK broadcasters are only picking feckless looking yes people to put on telly.
TD
Wombat3 said:
arp1 said:
The currency union but has been done to death. Of course there can be, there are logical reasons to have one. If one does not occur, then that bridge will be crossed be it using the pound without a currency union, a Scots currency, the devil euro or a.n.other... Plan A always is and will be using the pound in some sort of currency agreement and any negotiations will have after a potential yes vote. Like BT say, there will be no pre negotiation so who really knows what will happen, so by that, how can you be so sure that what you say is 100% right? You wouldn't believe a politician most other days so why believe one now? I always have said it and it's down to who do you TRUST more to run your country? The rest will follow...
So stop with the negativity and the berating of those not agreeing with your viewpoint and engage in healthy debate instead of trolling!
If you believe that any UK government might even contemplate negotiating some kind of agreement (currency Union) that involved the BoE (i.e. UK tax payers) underwriting iScotland in any way, shape or form then I've got a beach house in Birmingham you'd be interested in.So stop with the negativity and the berating of those not agreeing with your viewpoint and engage in healthy debate instead of trolling!
Its all about the lender of last resort (and everything that follows from that).
Who's it going to be?
At present, the main UK political parties are working to the assumption that there will be a No vote, and thus trying to avoid alienating Scottish voters of the future.
In the unlikely event that there is, in fact, a Yes vote, this of course changes completely. At that point, the UK parties become rUK parties and will immediately switch to what rUK voters want to hear them say.
If the findings of this year's Future of England survey are anything to go by, the Scots are in for a pretty rude awakening if they do vote Yes, and possibly even if they don't!
Einion Yrth said:
Ecosseven said:
Will Trident be used as a bargaining chip in the event of a Yes vote? Trident stays in Scotand in exchange for a currency union with rUK?
I'd hope not. It'd be a lot cheaper to move it than act as lender of last resort for a bunch of money-tree socialists.///ajd said:
The SNP will no doubt want to try something like that, but it won't be agreed to. Moving trident costs billions, its not reasonable to pass those costs to rUK. Pay to move it or it stays until no longer required for rUK strategic defence. The end. This point is not negotiable and will be clause 1 of the act that will be passed granting independence. Next!
Trident replacement should be based out of Scotland in any case, whichever the way the vote goes.rich1231 said:
Trident replacement should be based out of Scotland in any case, whichever the way the vote goes.
WHY?Give jobs to face painted morons if the vote is a YES.
If it is a YES move everything important out of the base and then blow the base up.
A few demolition charges should reduce it to a pile of rubble
McWigglebum4th said:
WHY?
Give jobs to face painted morons if the vote is a YES.
If it is a YES move everything important out of the base and then blow the base up.
A few demolition charges should reduce it to a pile of rubble
As even after a no the location is still at risk from future votes.Give jobs to face painted morons if the vote is a YES.
If it is a YES move everything important out of the base and then blow the base up.
A few demolition charges should reduce it to a pile of rubble
McWigglebum4th said:
rich1231 said:
Trident replacement should be based out of Scotland in any case, whichever the way the vote goes.
WHY?Give jobs to face painted morons if the vote is a YES.
If it is a YES move everything important out of the base and then blow the base up.
A few demolition charges should reduce it to a pile of rubble
Just to help....
If you're AMERICAN, then "out of" = "in".
If you're BRITISH, then "out of" = "not in".
I suspect rich1231 is British?
Ecosseven said:
Will Trident be used as a bargaining chip in the event of a Yes vote? Trident stays in Scotand in exchange for a currency union with rUK?
Of course it will be. The naivity of many in the YESNP leads them to believe that they will get a currency union without major strings attached. Same applies to EU re-entry.If Scotland gets a formal currency union with rUK (assuming English voters don't rally against it):
Trident will stay (politically convenient for the SNP - avoids job losses, and they can still say they "tried")
Restrictions on spending and borrowing will be agreed between the Scottish and UK governments, effectively allowing only a little more fiscal 'FREEDOM' than a proposed enhanced-devolution would deliver, but with many associated risks.
On another note, the old currency issue continues to rear its head..
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/...
I know it's petty but I don't now buy Scottish if there is an alternative. I've even dropped buying Scots Porridge oats and changed to Irish. Campbells soups are also on my sanctions list. Moved my money out of RBS and HBOS months ago. I would imagine in the event of a yes vote, many in England will do likewise.
Borghetto said:
I know it's petty but I don't now buy Scottish if there is an alternative. I've even dropped buying Scots Porridge oats and changed to Irish. Campbells soups are also on my sanctions list. Moved my money out of RBS and HBOS months ago. I would imagine in the event of a yes vote, many in England will do likewise.
If they do get independence, I'd certainly move from Natwest if it turned out that the lender of last resort was Scotland.Borghetto said:
I know it's petty but I don't now buy Scottish if there is an alternative. I've even dropped buying Scots Porridge oats and changed to Irish. Campbells soups are also on my sanctions list. Moved my money out of RBS and HBOS months ago. I would imagine in the event of a yes vote, many in England will do likewise.
You are correct, it is petty.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff