Scotland after the vote

[AnotherClarkey]

arp1 said:

Uh... Majority of English voters want Scots 'punished', block grant cut, powers reduced, Barnett formula scrapped, English voters want westminister I take a 'hard line' against punitive Scots daring to have a referendum! That answer your question? Because it won't stay the same, that's for sure!

Hmmm, that sounds more like rUK voters wanting parity.

[arp1]

McWigglebum4th said:

arp1 said:

If you want a worse country than we are already in then be my guest and be a feart no voter. Westminister are planning major changes for us and it won't be good. However, your alright jack, aren't you...

I don't think westminister could do worse for Scotland then your beloved SNP could do

Lets face it

Westminster aren't going to tear up our financial services industry, remove our lender of last resort, massively increase taxes, force the educated to leave and clamp down on our freedoms

Has the current government we have been a failure? Not in the slightest (as previously stated) however consecutive westminister governments have treated us unfavourably and thankfully we have some devolved powers to protect certain services etc, but with the decreasing of the block grant (pocket money), this is in essence a cut as well, which will make privatisation of services more appealing in order to balance the books (balancing the books which the current government has managed to do since being in power, which westminister has failed to do).

Beloved Snp? Don't make me laugh! They just so happen to be the party I trust more at this moment in time to have out best interests (mainly) at the moment, none of the other parties do. Corruption, slander, thieving, abuse (on many levels), that's what Westminster represents, and you know it! Just a good old boys club from eton all looking out for number 1

[arp1]

AnotherClarkey said:

arp1 said:

Uh... Majority of English voters want Scots 'punished', block grant cut, powers reduced, Barnett formula scrapped, English voters want westminister I take a 'hard line' against punitive Scots daring to have a referendum! That answer your question? Because it won't stay the same, that's for sure!

Hmmm, that sounds more like rUK voters wanting parity.

Just remember though, Scotland is not subsidised as we more than pay our way, so get that out your head

[Big Rod]

arp1 said:

Uh... Majority of English voters want Scots 'punished', block grant cut, powers reduced, Barnett formula scrapped, English voters want westminister I take a 'hard line' against punitive Scots daring to have a referendum! That answer your question? Because it won't stay the same, that's for sure!

That's just a report on what the average punter in the rUK are feeling towards the noise created by the independence movement. Frankly I can sympathise. There's no evidence that any of it would ever come to fruition. Or are you just feart?

[Wombat3]

arp1 said:

Big Rod said:

What major changes are these?

If there's any evidence to support your claim then I put it to you that you're a 'feart' yes voter.

Uh... Majority of English voters want Scots 'punished', block grant cut, powers reduced, Barnett formula scrapped, English voters want westminister I take a 'hard line' against punitive Scots daring to have a referendum! That answer your question? Because it won't stay the same, that's for sure!

Yes, well, who's fault is that? If you'd just let sleeping dogs lie in the knowledge of what a fking good deal you'd already got then nobody would be any the wiser , would they!?

As it is Your "representatives" have spent the last 18 months slagging the rest of the country off both directly an indirectly (including going to the EU and telling them what wkers we all are!).

Why you would therefore be surprised that there might be some kind of backlash is naïve at best and beyond believe.

As it is the reality is that the "reckoning" will take a much more subtle form. What will happen is that Scotland will be given more powers to raise and keep taxes and spend them as it sees fit. However against that will come the inevitable and obvious conclusion that you then don't get anything like the same level of block grant. You can have the control, but you'll have to stand on your own two feet with it.

At which point "Thatcher's law" will come into play - "The trouble with Socialists is that sooner or later they run out of other people's money".

[Big Rod]

AnotherClarkey said:

arp1 said:

Uh... Majority of English voters want Scots 'punished', block grant cut, powers reduced, Barnett formula scrapped, English voters want westminister I take a 'hard line' against punitive Scots daring to have a referendum! That answer your question? Because it won't stay the same, that's for sure!

Hmmm, that sounds more like rUK voters wanting parity.

Indeed.

[Big Rod]

I wonder if the proponents of independence really grasp how much they've pissed everyone else off?

[Wombat3]

arp1 said:

McWigglebum4th said:

arp1 said:

If you want a worse country than we are already in then be my guest and be a feart no voter. Westminister are planning major changes for us and it won't be good. However, your alright jack, aren't you...

I don't think westminister could do worse for Scotland then your beloved SNP could do

Lets face it

Westminster aren't going to tear up our financial services industry, remove our lender of last resort, massively increase taxes, force the educated to leave and clamp down on our freedoms

Has the current government we have been a failure? Not in the slightest (as previously stated) however consecutive westminister governments have treated us unfavourably and thankfully we have some devolved powers to protect certain services etc, but with the decreasing of the block grant (pocket money), this is in essence a cut as well, which will make privatisation of services more appealing in order to balance the books (balancing the books which the current government has managed to do since being in power, which westminister has failed to do).

Beloved Snp? Don't make me laugh! They just so happen to be the party I trust more at this moment in time to have out best interests (mainly) at the moment, none of the other parties do. Corruption, slander, thieving, abuse (on many levels), that's what Westminster represents, and you know it! Just a good old boys club from eton all looking out for number 1

Victim - much!

Remind me where the two previous prime ministers that did so much damage to the entire economic and social fabric of the entire country came from and which party they came from?

[barryrs]

arp1 said:

Uh... Majority of English voters want Scots 'punished', block grant cut, powers reduced, Barnett formula scrapped, English voters want westminister I take a 'hard line' against punitive Scots daring to have a referendum! That answer your question? Because it won't stay the same, that's for sure!

Scaremonger.

Anyone might think you are "fearty" of the potential fall out of a No vote?

In reality you have the implementation of the 2012 Scotland act to look forward to.

arp1 said:

Has the current government we have been a failure? Not in the slightest (as previously stated) however consecutive westminister governments have treated us unfavourably and thankfully we have some devolved powers to protect certain services etc, but with the decreasing of the block grant (pocket money), this is in essence a cut as well, which will make privatisation of services more appealing in order to balance the books (balancing the books which the current government has managed to do since being in power, which westminister has failed to do).

Beloved Snp? Don't make me laugh! They just so happen to be the party I trust more at this moment in time to have out best interests (mainly) at the moment, none of the other parties do. Corruption, slander, thieving, abuse (on many levels), that's what Westminster represents, and you know it! Just a good old boys club from eton all looking out for number 1

100 Broken SNP promises - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15_04_1...

Edited by barryrs on Wednesday 20th August 17:01

[MintyChris]

arp1 said:

Uh... Majority of English voters want Scots 'punished', block grant cut, powers reduced, Barnett formula scrapped, English voters want westminister I take a 'hard line' against punitive Scots daring to have a referendum! That answer your question? Because it won't stay the same, that's for sure!

So you've poisened the relationship with the rest of the UK and now your saying "look everyone, weve ruined the relationship, now you have no choice".

Previously you were talking about the No side being negative. The Yes side is inherently negative. Its all about division and seperatism.

[arp1]

barryrs said:

arp1 said:

Uh... Majority of English voters want Scots 'punished', block grant cut, powers reduced, Barnett formula scrapped, English voters want westminister I take a 'hard line' against punitive Scots daring to have a referendum! That answer your question? Because it won't stay the same, that's for sure!

Scaremonger.

Anyone might think you are "fearty" of the potential fall out of a No vote?

In reality you have the implementation of the 2012 Scotland act to look forward to.

arp1 said:

Has the current government we have been a failure? Not in the slightest (as previously stated) however consecutive westminister governments have treated us unfavourably and thankfully we have some devolved powers to protect certain services etc, but with the decreasing of the block grant (pocket money), this is in essence a cut as well, which will make privatisation of services more appealing in order to balance the books (balancing the books which the current government has managed to do since being in power, which westminister has failed to do).

Beloved Snp? Don't make me laugh! They just so happen to be the party I trust more at this moment in time to have out best interests (mainly) at the moment, none of the other parties do. Corruption, slander, thieving, abuse (on many levels), that's what Westminster represents, and you know it! Just a good old boys club from eton all looking out for number 1

100 Broken SNP promises - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15_04_1...

Edited by barryrs on Wednesday 20th August 17:01

What party hasn't been able to follow through on pledges and promises? You are a bigger fool than I thought to think that is a party specific incident...

[arp1]

MintyChris said:

arp1 said:

Uh... Majority of English voters want Scots 'punished', block grant cut, powers reduced, Barnett formula scrapped, English voters want westminister I take a 'hard line' against punitive Scots daring to have a referendum! That answer your question? Because it won't stay the same, that's for sure!

So you've poisened the relationship with the rest of the UK and now your saying "look everyone, weve ruined the relationship, now you have no choice".

Previously you were talking about the No side being negative. The Yes side is inherently negative. Its all about division and seperatism.

It's the difference between the 'yes we can's' as opposed to the 'no you can't's '

[Axionknight]

arp1 said:

It's the difference between the 'yes we can's' as opposed to the 'no you can't's '

As in, Yes supporters saying yes we can give you answers on the EU, armed forces, currency, border agreements, start up costs, asset division and legacy debt costs?

Then anyone with half a brain who can see through all the Yes campaigns lies and rhetoric says, no, you can't....

[anonymous-user]

arp1 said:

Uh... Majority of English voters want Scots 'punished', block grant cut, powers reduced, Barnett formula scrapped, English voters want westminister I take a 'hard line' against punitive Scots daring to have a referendum! That answer your question? Because it won't stay the same, that's for sure!

Of the few English I've spoken to about it (believe it or not most don't seem like they could care less), the usual response has been that they should get a vote to kick you out! I lived in England for 20 years and never heard anti-Scottish sentiment ever before, quite the opposite. Nationalism is nasty and IMO this will be the independence movements only legacy. In any event, your logic of voting for independence and the certain withdrawl of the Barnett formula and powers (like monetary policy) reduced because they might be withdrawn 'as punishment' if you don't, makes no sense at all.

[MintyChris]

arp1 said:

It's the difference between the 'yes we can's' as opposed to the 'no you can't's '

Yes we can what? Ride into the sunset on the back of a unicorn/haggis hybrid?

Solid facts only please.

[arp1]

Why is the phrases 'nationalists' and 'nationalism' seem to have this bad and derisory feel to it by fellow ph'ers? Those no voters are nothing but uk nationalists spouting uk nationalism ideals...

[arp1]

MintyChris said:

arp1 said:

It's the difference between the 'yes we can's' as opposed to the 'no you can't's '

Yes we can what? Ride into the sunset on the back of a unicorn/haggis hybrid?

Solid facts only please.

Nah let's ride away on three lions instead, fud!

[Borghetto]

arp1 said:

Why is the phrases 'nationalists' and 'nationalism' seem to have this bad and derisory feel to it by fellow ph'ers? Those no voters are nothing but uk nationalists spouting uk nationalism ideals...

I've no desire to be considered a fellow anything with the likes of you.

[Moonhawk]

arp1 said:

It's the difference between the 'yes we can's' as opposed to the 'no you can't's '

Cool - on that basis then:

Can rUK have a per capita share of north sea oil revenues in perpetuity?

[arp1]

Moonhawk said:

arp1 said:

It's the difference between the 'yes we can's' as opposed to the 'no you can't's '

Cool - on that basis then:

Can rUK have a per capita share of north sea oil revenues in perpetuity?

Just change the borders on the water again and your wish is your command