Scotland after the vote
Discussion
blinkythefish said:
arp1 said:
You just had to watch general (mainly) BBC programmes to feel the 'outrage' that a Scot was in charge so don't give me that... And for some reason Tony didn't seem like a Scot and wasn't perceived as one but Gogs was, strange that .
Yeah, two of the main political journalists on the BBC, Andrew Marr, on "The Andrew Marr Show", and Andrew Neil on "The Daily Politics", "The Sunday Politics" and "This Week" spent forever ripping into him for being Scottish. Every time they talked about him they would add insult to injury by putting on this big fake hootsman accent. You could sense their 'outrage' that a Scot was in such a position of reponsibility.Or economics...
Or English...
or well, anything, really.
arp1 said:
Spend our way out of trouble, lower taxes and get more people spending 
f
k me you've got it! You've solved the worlds ecnmic problem in one easy post! You've beaten the western worlds most switched on economists, well done you! OMG why didn't they think of that, what can possibly go wrong!
arp1 said:
Do you believe public sector jobs are safe with the status quo, based on what is happening in the region of England? And with the reduction in funds from the austerity measures, do you not think similar cuts will be implemented in the region of Scotland due to this?
Can I just clarify this? Have you just said you think public sector jobs in Scotland will be safer in an independent Scotland than they currently are in the UK?????????? 
Surely you're not serious?
Blair and Brown stuffed Scotland full of UK public sector jobs to help keep those nice Labour voters voting for them.
If you stay in the UK, then you'll see cuts in the public sector just like everywhere else, because cuts need to be made, but what do you think is going to happen if you become independent?
Even if the SNP were to deliver on all the services they're promising, they'd still need far fewer public sector workers for an independent Scotland than are currently based there providing public sector services to Scotland and various other parts of the UK.
If Scotland becomes independent, you can expect dancing in the streets from rUK public sector workers, as the rUK politicians looking around for places to make cuts instead be able to retrain existing rUK public sector workers to cover any shortfalls left by waving goodbye to public sector employees in Scotland (and why would the rUK politicians care about them now they can no longer vote for them) and the best bit, from an rUK perspective, would be that we get to greatly reduce the burden of our public sector, and you get to pick up the redundancy bills!
As an Englishman living in England, the thought of Scottish independence never even entered my head before Salmond & co started spouting their vitriolic bile. Now, however, whilst I can't really see many upsides of Scottish independence for Scotland, I can barely see a single downside to it for the English.
Good luck to the Yes Campaign!!!!
arp1 said:
Do you believe public sector jobs are safe with the status quo, based on what is happening in the region of England? And with the reduction in funds from the austerity measures, do you not think similar cuts will be implemented in the region of Scotland due to this?
Can I just clarify this? Have you just said you think public sector jobs in Scotland will be safer in an independent Scotland than they currently are in the UK?????????? Surely you're not serious?
Blair and Brown stuffed Scotland full of UK public sector jobs to help keep those nice Labour voters voting for them.
If you stay in the UK, then you'll see cuts in the public sector just like everywhere else, because cuts need to be made, but what do you think is going to happen if you become independent?
Even if the SNP were to deliver on all the services they're promising, they'd still need far fewer public sector workers for an independent Scotland than are currently based there providing public sector services to Scotland and various other parts of the UK.
If Scotland becomes independent, you can expect dancing in the streets from rUK public sector workers, as the rUK politicians looking around for places to make cuts instead be able to retrain existing rUK public sector workers to cover any shortfalls left by waving goodbye to public sector employees in Scotland (and why would the rUK politicians care about them now they can no longer vote for them) and the best bit, from an rUK perspective, would be that we get to greatly reduce the burden of our public sector, and you get to pick up the redundancy bills!
As an Englishman living in England, the thought of Scottish independence never even entered my head before Salmond & co started spouting their vitriolic bile. Now, however, whilst I can't really see many upsides of Scottish independence for Scotland, I can barely see a single downside to it for the English.
Good luck to the Yes Campaign!!!!
Kermit power said:
If Scotland becomes independent, you can expect dancing in the streets from rUK public sector workers, as the rUK politicians looking around for places to make cuts instead be able to retrain existing rUK public sector workers to cover any shortfalls left by waving goodbye to public sector employees in Scotland......
Actually you make a very good point.The Yes camp have said they will prevent public sector cuts.......they haven't said where
Also regarding spending due to lower taxes, the Yes camp has stated that the tax cuts are actually going to be a freezing of current rates so they wont get worse but the increases will be on business rates and taxation and an increase in the airline tax.
Yes, because the bulk of a nations tax take comes from business tax and air duty.....
This was from another Yes screamer on a different forum I am on.
Yes, because the bulk of a nations tax take comes from business tax and air duty.....
This was from another Yes screamer on a different forum I am on.
It's win/win scenario for Salmond though. If they vote 'yes' then he'll be retired and then probably dead before real economic woe hits them properly hard as a result of a yes vote. He can (and will) claim he was the man that 'set them free'.
If they vote 'no' then he can swan about claiming " i was the man who gave you a vote for freedom, don't blame me if you voted against it"
However, any credibility that Alex Salmond may have had (and for me it was none anyway) should have evaporated when during his televised (only in Scotland) debate he said " For too long we have been governed from Westminster by a government we didn't vote for.."
There will have been a lot of the hard of thinking suckered in by that comment. Fortunately morons don't tend to frequent polling stations.
Either way Salmond will be unbearable after the election.
If they vote 'no' then he can swan about claiming " i was the man who gave you a vote for freedom, don't blame me if you voted against it"
However, any credibility that Alex Salmond may have had (and for me it was none anyway) should have evaporated when during his televised (only in Scotland) debate he said " For too long we have been governed from Westminster by a government we didn't vote for.."
There will have been a lot of the hard of thinking suckered in by that comment. Fortunately morons don't tend to frequent polling stations.
Either way Salmond will be unbearable after the election.
Good God, now they are saying on the news that an independent Scotland should follow Panama as an example of using the dollar with no lender of last resort, iScotland could use the pound with no LOLR.......I despair at the stupidity being spouted by idiots in economic think tanks that spout soundbites without telling people the huge risks involved in this and the lack of abilities to sort out things if your economy goes wobbly.
It may be this article that news reports have picked up upon...
http://www.cityam.com/1408563019/how-independent-s...
http://www.cityam.com/1408563019/how-independent-s...
Kermit power said:
I can barely see a single downside to it for the English.
There are however, several BIG downsides for rUK .. this is worth a watch: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04dr69k/scot...GetCarter said:
Kermit power said:
I can barely see a single downside to it for the English.
There are however, several BIG downsides for rUK .. this is worth a watch: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04dr69k/scot...I'm with Kermit, above.
Vote yes!!
arp1 said:
So much for Scots being the friendliest folk on the planet with guff like this!
As I have said before, I couldn't contemplate living anywhere other than Scotland, but wish I could cherry pick other nations ideas... Australian no nonsense attitude and quarantine laws, German autobahn speed limits, turning on a red light as in USA, loads of things. But, here we are. We may be one of the richest nations in the world, but for the few. Food banks etc, how do you explain that?
You seem to think I have never been out if my postcode however that couldn't be further from the truth, so please change your attitude and refrain from spittling all over the place...
I trust you have your's now anyway:As I have said before, I couldn't contemplate living anywhere other than Scotland, but wish I could cherry pick other nations ideas... Australian no nonsense attitude and quarantine laws, German autobahn speed limits, turning on a red light as in USA, loads of things. But, here we are. We may be one of the richest nations in the world, but for the few. Food banks etc, how do you explain that?
You seem to think I have never been out if my postcode however that couldn't be further from the truth, so please change your attitude and refrain from spittling all over the place...
5pen said:
It may be this article that news reports have picked up upon...
http://www.cityam.com/1408563019/how-independent-s...
So, Scotland will be comparible to the highly developed economies of Panaman, Ecaudor and El-Salvador.. Riiiiggghtt..http://www.cityam.com/1408563019/how-independent-s...
And how many countries operate on this principle in comparison to those that have a central bank..? 10 vs. 150..? Something of that magnitude.
Its a sign of the level of the debate when idea's previously considered completely barmy and unsuitable, will now have many economically illiterate Yesser's nodding their head heads in an approving "you see, we can do it"...
GetCarter said:
Kermit power said:
I can barely see a single downside to it for the English.
There are however, several BIG downsides for rUK .. this is worth a watch: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04dr69k/scot...Kermit power said:
GetCarter said:
Kermit power said:
I can barely see a single downside to it for the English.
There are however, several BIG downsides for rUK .. this is worth a watch: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04dr69k/scot...Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff