Scotland after the vote

[barryrs]

Q

How many yes supporters does it take to change a light bulb?

A

None; it aint broke.

[pcvdriver]

barryrs said:

Q

How many yes supporters does it take to change a light bulb?

A

None; it aint broke.

It's been broken for years.... since we pissed our oil tax revenue away in the 80s and 90s.


Rt. Hon. A. Darling M.P. "Scotland's oil revenues have underwriting the UK's failure to balance it's books for decades".

Source: Hansard.

As I've said before, I've met this pathetic excuse for a man several times..... None of those times, has he ever come across as a man you could trust. His propensity for bullst is without limit. He is only interested in one thing - Remaining employed at Westminster.

[McWigglebum4th]

pcvdriver said:

It's been broken for years.... since we pissed our oil tax revenue away in the 80s and 90s.


Rt. Hon. A. Darling M.P. "Scotland's oil revenues have underwriting the UK's failure to balance it's books for decades".

Source: Hansard.

As I've said before, I've met this pathetic excuse for a man several times..... None of those times, has he ever come across as a man you could trust. His propensity for bullst is without limit. He is only interested in one thing - Remaining employed at Westminster.

Well promise to fk off after the NO vote if things are so bad

[HenryJM]

How many yes supporters does it take to change a light bulb?

A

We'll tell you after the referendum

[mcdjl]

pcvdriver said:

It's been broken for years.... since we pissed our oil tax revenue away in the 80s and 90s.


Rt. Hon. A. Darling M.P. "Scotland's oil revenues have underwriting the UK's failure to balance it's books for decades".

Source: Hansard.

As I've said before, I've met this pathetic excuse for a man several times..... None of those times, has he ever come across as a man you could trust. His propensity for bullst is without limit. He is only interested in one thing - Remaining employed at Westminster.

I take it you've not met Salmond then?

[barryrs]

pcvdriver said:

It's been broken for years.... since we pissed our oil tax revenue away in the 80s and 90s.


Rt. Hon. A. Darling M.P. "Scotland's oil revenues have underwriting the UK's failure to balance it's books for decades".

Source: Hansard.

Britain had a chronic balance of payments problem carried over from the second world war that oil and gas revenue helped address.

To suggest that the money was pissed away seems foolish to my mind as if the revenue stream didnt exist the population would have paid more through taxation.

Norway has a tax revenue percentage of gdp at 42%
Britain has a tax revenue percentage of gdp at 36%

[simoid]

pcvdriver said:

It's been broken for years.... since we pissed our oil tax revenue away in the 80s and 90s.


Rt. Hon. A. Darling M.P. "Scotland's oil revenues have underwriting the UK's failure to balance it's books for decades".

Source: Hansard.

As I've said before, I've met this pathetic excuse for a man several times..... None of those times, has he ever come across as a man you could trust. His propensity for bullst is without limit. He is only interested in one thing - Remaining employed at Westminster.

We didn't "piss it away", we spent it.

You don't know how lucky you are to live in Scotland as part of the UK, and I don't think (m)any of the Yessers do.

[pcvdriver]

simoid said:

We didn't "piss it away", we spent it.

You don't know how lucky you are to live in Scotland as part of the UK, and I don't think (m)any of the Yessers do.

Ooh, allow my to tug my forelock.......

[pcvdriver]

mcdjl said:

I take it you've not met Salmond then?

I've never met Salmond, but I doubt he could be slimier than Flipper. The point is Salmond knows he will be sacrificing the SNP MP in Westminster. His own position is also easily put at risk by any perceived non-performance of his in the eyes of the electorate.

Edited by pcvdriver on Thursday 31st July 14:36

[HenryJM]

pcvdriver said:

I've never met Salmond, but I doubt he could be slimier than Flipper. The point is Salmond knows he will be sacrificing the SNP MP in Westminster. His own position is also easily put at risk by any perceived non-performance of his in the eyes of the electorate.

Edited by pcvdriver on Thursday 31st July 14:36

Flipper? Who's flipper meant to be?

Salmond is on what he sees to be his best bet for being king, that's why he's lying, evading and scheming to try and win this referendum. Doesn't seem to have any conscience about lying to Holyrood if he thinks it helps him.

[mcdjl]

pcvdriver said:

I've never met Salmond, but I doubt he could be slimier than Flipper. The point is Salmond knows he will be sacrificing the SNP MP in Westminster. His own position is also easily put at risk by any perceived non-performance of his in the eyes of the electorate.

Edited by pcvdriver on Thursday 31st July 14:36

I didn't think dolphins were slimy, mind you I've never touched one.
My point is Salmond is a proven liar who has spent significant amounts of public money trying to hide that fact. If you don't trust Darling, you'd have to be far madder to trust Salmond.

[pcvdriver]

HenryJM said:

Flipper? Who's flipper meant to be?

Salmond is on what he sees to be his best bet for being king, that's why he's lying, evading and scheming to try and win this referendum. Doesn't seem to have any conscience about lying to Holyrood if he thinks it helps him.

Surely you know you "Flipper" is Rt Hon A. "3 x House Flipper" Darling M.P. (Former Member of the Faculty of Advocates) He was very proud of maintaining this membership until they took a rather dull view of his less than respectable practices. They were about to start official proceedings against him, until he rescinded his membership, which in turn cancelled any official proceedings against him.
He is a duplicitous turd, and so well suited to the BT campaign.

[pcvdriver]

mcdjl said:

I didn't think dolphins were slimy, mind you I've never touched one.
My point is Salmond is a proven liar who has spent significant amounts of public money trying to hide that fact. If you don't trust Darling, you'd have to be far madder to trust Salmond.

All (well most anyway) politicians are proven to go against their word at some point in their careers. In Scotland we only have the power to get rid of just over 9% of the liars, to change them for other liars to represent us at Parliament. I'd like to see a system where we, the people of Scotland can get rid and replace 100% of the liars that represent us at Parliament. Independence is the only way to ensure that.

[barryrs]

Good job you have high quality MSP's in power then.

Oh hang on

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-n...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/msp-s-...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/msp-bi...

[Rollin]

Naa, you just said Darling is a duplicitous turd and well suited to the no campaign. The thing is, your hero Salmond is a proven duplicitous turd too and you'd probably jump off a cliff if he told you that's the way to independence.

[simoid]

pcvdriver said:

All (well most anyway) politicians are proven to go against their word at some point in their careers. In Scotland we only have the power to get rid of just over 9% of the liars, to change them for other liars to represent us at Parliament. I'd like to see a system where we, the people of Scotland can get rid and replace 100% of the liars that represent us at Parliament. Independence is the only way to ensure that.

That's probably the worst reason for splitting up the most successful political and economic union in the history of the universe I've ever heard.

Also - the Scottish parliament is led by a liar at present, how is the Scottish one any more likely to get rid of liars?

Especially when voices that don't chime with the SNP are ejected from committees, etc?

I eagerly await your answer about how some UK politician also did something wrong at some point.




This is NOT about politics - it can't be. Politics is far too short termist. This is about the future of our country and if we want to help it by being a part of something greater, or if we want to hinder and handicap our country by tearing ourselves away from the most successful union ever.

[arp1]

What we have to remember is, with ALL this talk about money and the rest of if, it's ALL guesswork, both sides of the argument... How can any guarantees be given? They can't! Based on the swathes of austerity cuts westminister is hell bent on doing, how on earth could Scotland be worse off than that?? And any so called guarantees trusting Dave gives, the next government (and successors) could make their own rules up and we'd be back to square one. Self rule is the way forward and I am quite sure than in one or two generations time we will have evolved as a nation and more successful than we are now. It won't happen in our lifetime but it is a start, and good things start with a YES

[otolith]

HenryJM said:

How many yes supporters does it take to change a light bulb?

A

We'll tell you after the referendum

After the referendum there will be no need of light bulbs, everyone will have a free personal luminous unicorn.

[pcvdriver]

doogz said:

How, exactly?

They all lie, where are you going to find these honest ones, and how exactly is independence going to ensure our new politicians are all honest and trustworthy?

You're missing the point entirely. Currently we can remove and replace circa 9% of the crooked bds. With independence, Westminster becomes solely rUK's issue to deal with. I'd rather have a system where a populace can change an entire Government if it sees fit to do so (irrespective of political flavour) and not just 9% of an administration. Over to you.....

[mcdjl]

pcvdriver said:

All (well most anyway) politicians are proven to go against their word at some point in their careers. In Scotland we only have the power to get rid of just over 9% of the liars, to change them for other liars to represent us at Parliament. I'd like to see a system where we, the people of Scotland can get rid and replace 100% of the liars that represent us at Parliament. Independence is the only way to ensure that.

Actually theres on MP and one MSP that represents you. You get to get rid of them each time theres a parliamentary election. If you become independent you get rid of the MP. If you wanted fewer lying politicians not having the Scottish parliament would have been a much easier and cheaper way of achieing that.