Scotland after the vote
Discussion
Derek Smith said:
I have to say that as the date approaches I am getting a bit worried. Despite the polls, anything can happen on the day.
I've lived with Scots, worked with them and have one or two as friends. I like them in the same way that I like other people. They are just like us.
The Scots I know have moved out of Scotland and no one could criticise them for a parochial attitude.
If the UK does break up then it will cost the rest of us to a considerable degree but it will hurt the Scots more. The likelihood is that there will be a lurch to the left and that's not going to be good.
I keep reading reports of firms considering, and planning, for a move south of Hadrian's Wall. For some this will be regardless of the outcome.
There will be massive political upheaval. The lawyers will make a killing. Shetland might well cause all sorts of aggravation. We have only to look across the Irish Sea to realise what partition can cause.
The Union was the best thing that happened to England/Wales and Scotland. If there were valid reasons to break up the partnership then so be it but there aren't. All this stuff about self determination yet the intent seems to be, requirement actually, to join the EU. As a newbie there will be even less self-determination than there is now.
What seems to have been the motivation behind this was the suggestion of the Celtic arc of prosperity, and look what happened there. If that happens to Scotland then it would be a tragedy for a country I regard as part of mine.
A leap into the unknown is about the best description of a yes vote I can think of.
This has hurt the Union. If there's a close no vote then this will give further problems. If there's a close yes vote then that too might cause problems.
So I'm worried. I'm worried about the UK, about Scotland and about the rest of us.
Nothing good will come of this.
Well said. I think the best outcome would be a good firm no, followed by a Holyrood election.I've lived with Scots, worked with them and have one or two as friends. I like them in the same way that I like other people. They are just like us.
The Scots I know have moved out of Scotland and no one could criticise them for a parochial attitude.
If the UK does break up then it will cost the rest of us to a considerable degree but it will hurt the Scots more. The likelihood is that there will be a lurch to the left and that's not going to be good.
I keep reading reports of firms considering, and planning, for a move south of Hadrian's Wall. For some this will be regardless of the outcome.
There will be massive political upheaval. The lawyers will make a killing. Shetland might well cause all sorts of aggravation. We have only to look across the Irish Sea to realise what partition can cause.
The Union was the best thing that happened to England/Wales and Scotland. If there were valid reasons to break up the partnership then so be it but there aren't. All this stuff about self determination yet the intent seems to be, requirement actually, to join the EU. As a newbie there will be even less self-determination than there is now.
What seems to have been the motivation behind this was the suggestion of the Celtic arc of prosperity, and look what happened there. If that happens to Scotland then it would be a tragedy for a country I regard as part of mine.
A leap into the unknown is about the best description of a yes vote I can think of.
This has hurt the Union. If there's a close no vote then this will give further problems. If there's a close yes vote then that too might cause problems.
So I'm worried. I'm worried about the UK, about Scotland and about the rest of us.
Nothing good will come of this.
Does Scotland have one of those 'public petition' schemes like No.10 did/does?
I know it's been said a million times but the yessers are properly retarded, not to mention bitter. I've spoken to campaign groups recently in Stirling, Kirkcaldy and today in Dunfermline.
None of them understand it is incumbent upon them as the separatists to persuade me, and not the other way around.
All of them have spouted the same guff about not getting the government we vote for. Surely the logical answer to that is to campaign for PR rather than independence?
None of them have had anything convincing to say about how things are going to be better. Blind faith isn't persuading me, and they really don't like having to work at it and come up with something credible. They don't do debate- if you're a no voter they simply give up and find someone more simple to brainwash. I do try to waste as much of their time as possible, every little helps.
I worry about their influence- they're on every high street in Scotland peddling their mix of misinformation and uberScot dogma to anyone who will listen. They will be persuading a lot of the great unwashed that iScotland will be the land of milk and honey. I'd imagine they'll have the depressed diddy towns sown up- it'll be Glasgow and Edinburgh where people work that hold the balance. I just hope there are enough old money Edinburghers, Englishmen, sash singers and businessfolk to overcome the unemployed and public sector workers with nothing to lose.
None of them understand it is incumbent upon them as the separatists to persuade me, and not the other way around.
All of them have spouted the same guff about not getting the government we vote for. Surely the logical answer to that is to campaign for PR rather than independence?
None of them have had anything convincing to say about how things are going to be better. Blind faith isn't persuading me, and they really don't like having to work at it and come up with something credible. They don't do debate- if you're a no voter they simply give up and find someone more simple to brainwash. I do try to waste as much of their time as possible, every little helps.
I worry about their influence- they're on every high street in Scotland peddling their mix of misinformation and uberScot dogma to anyone who will listen. They will be persuading a lot of the great unwashed that iScotland will be the land of milk and honey. I'd imagine they'll have the depressed diddy towns sown up- it'll be Glasgow and Edinburgh where people work that hold the balance. I just hope there are enough old money Edinburghers, Englishmen, sash singers and businessfolk to overcome the unemployed and public sector workers with nothing to lose.
It makes f
k all sense.
We control everything that we could ever want to be locally controlled at present (health, education, police, transport).
Anything extra that we could control with independence, we wouldn't want to have different from the rest of the UK (currency, tax rates, welfare (even the spare room subsidy has been negated in Scotland) military (how much value are we getting from military intelligence these days keeping terrorists at bay?))
Chuffing disgusting power grab by Salmond and it's more and more clear every day.
k all sense.We control everything that we could ever want to be locally controlled at present (health, education, police, transport).
Anything extra that we could control with independence, we wouldn't want to have different from the rest of the UK (currency, tax rates, welfare (even the spare room subsidy has been negated in Scotland) military (how much value are we getting from military intelligence these days keeping terrorists at bay?))
Chuffing disgusting power grab by Salmond and it's more and more clear every day.
simoid said:
It makes fk all sense.
We control everything that we could ever want to be locally controlled at present (health, education, police, transport).
Anything extra that we could control with independence, we wouldn't want to have different from the rest of the UK (currency, tax rates, welfare (even the spare room subsidy has been negated in Scotland) military (how much value are we getting from military intelligence these days keeping terrorists at bay?))
Chuffing disgusting power grab by Salmond and it's more and more clear every day.
Correct. Scotland is already having it's cake and eating it on many fronts, any changes to the current set-up can only be detrimental to Scotland.k all sense.We control everything that we could ever want to be locally controlled at present (health, education, police, transport).
Anything extra that we could control with independence, we wouldn't want to have different from the rest of the UK (currency, tax rates, welfare (even the spare room subsidy has been negated in Scotland) military (how much value are we getting from military intelligence these days keeping terrorists at bay?))
Chuffing disgusting power grab by Salmond and it's more and more clear every day.
Derek Smith said:
I have to say that as the date approaches I am getting a bit worried. Despite the polls, anything can happen on the day.
I've lived with Scots, worked with them and have one or two as friends. I like them in the same way that I like other people. They are just like us.
The Scots I know have moved out of Scotland and no one could criticise them for a parochial attitude.
If the UK does break up then it will cost the rest of us to a considerable degree but it will hurt the Scots more. The likelihood is that there will be a lurch to the left and that's not going to be good.
I keep reading reports of firms considering, and planning, for a move south of Hadrian's Wall. For some this will be regardless of the outcome.
There will be massive political upheaval. The lawyers will make a killing. Shetland might well cause all sorts of aggravation. We have only to look across the Irish Sea to realise what partition can cause.
The Union was the best thing that happened to England/Wales and Scotland. If there were valid reasons to break up the partnership then so be it but there aren't. All this stuff about self determination yet the intent seems to be, requirement actually, to join the EU. As a newbie there will be even less self-determination than there is now.
What seems to have been the motivation behind this was the suggestion of the Celtic arc of prosperity, and look what happened there. If that happens to Scotland then it would be a tragedy for a country I regard as part of mine.
A leap into the unknown is about the best description of a yes vote I can think of.
This has hurt the Union. If there's a close no vote then this will give further problems. If there's a close yes vote then that too might cause problems.
So I'm worried. I'm worried about the UK, about Scotland and about the rest of us.
Nothing good will come of this.
Correct and its all because of 2-3% of the population who are, frankly, really quite poisonous & completely selfish. Just a shame there isn't some rock in the mid Atlantic we can just dump them on so the rest of us can get on with life.I've lived with Scots, worked with them and have one or two as friends. I like them in the same way that I like other people. They are just like us.
The Scots I know have moved out of Scotland and no one could criticise them for a parochial attitude.
If the UK does break up then it will cost the rest of us to a considerable degree but it will hurt the Scots more. The likelihood is that there will be a lurch to the left and that's not going to be good.
I keep reading reports of firms considering, and planning, for a move south of Hadrian's Wall. For some this will be regardless of the outcome.
There will be massive political upheaval. The lawyers will make a killing. Shetland might well cause all sorts of aggravation. We have only to look across the Irish Sea to realise what partition can cause.
The Union was the best thing that happened to England/Wales and Scotland. If there were valid reasons to break up the partnership then so be it but there aren't. All this stuff about self determination yet the intent seems to be, requirement actually, to join the EU. As a newbie there will be even less self-determination than there is now.
What seems to have been the motivation behind this was the suggestion of the Celtic arc of prosperity, and look what happened there. If that happens to Scotland then it would be a tragedy for a country I regard as part of mine.
A leap into the unknown is about the best description of a yes vote I can think of.
This has hurt the Union. If there's a close no vote then this will give further problems. If there's a close yes vote then that too might cause problems.
So I'm worried. I'm worried about the UK, about Scotland and about the rest of us.
Nothing good will come of this.
technodup said:
All of them have spouted the same guff about not getting the government we vote for. Surely the logical answer to that is to campaign for PR rather than independence?
They won't do that - because they'd end up with more Tory representation than they currently get.At the 2010 general election - the Tories got 1 seat out of a possible 59 (about 1.7%). However, considering every Scottish person supposedly hates the tories, it is odd that 1 in 6 voters in Scotland voted Tory that year. If the elected MPs were split based on a proportion of the popular vote - the Tories would have about 10 out of 59.
For nationalists - it's not about what is fair or representative - it's about giving them the answer they want to hear - by whatever means.
It's been over 80 years since the UK last had a government voted in by a majority (i.e. the government 'we' voted for). Even the current Scottish government wasn't voted in by a majority - more people voted for something else......so this talk about "getting the government we voted for" is nationalist rhetoric - nothing more.
perdu said:
Wombat3 said:
Correct and its all because of 2-3% of the population who are, frankly, really quite poisonous & completely selfish. Just a shame there isn't some rock in the mid Atlantic we can just dump them on so the rest of us can get on with life.
Hmm
Does there HAVE to be a rock?
......and then dive it!
HenryJM said:
Can't we have a Yorkshire one? We are as big as Scotland in population and prosperity (and got a hell of a lot more gold medals!)
Only snag is I think we like being British...
I asked for yorkshire independence early in one thread. The scotish people took the piss which I still don't understand but hey ho.Only snag is I think we like being British...
Wombat3 said:
Correct and its all because of 2-3% of the population who are, frankly, really quite poisonous & completely selfish. Just a shame there isn't some rock in the mid Atlantic we can just dump them on so the rest of us can get on with life.
I hear Panama is a popular Scottish destination. Moonhawk said:
technodup said:
All of them have spouted the same guff about not getting the government we vote for. Surely the logical answer to that is to campaign for PR rather than independence?
They won't do that - because they'd end up with more Tory representation than they currently get.At the 2010 general election - the Tories got 1 seat out of a possible 59 (about 1.7%). However, considering every Scottish person supposedly hates the tories, it is odd that 1 in 6 voters in Scotland voted Tory that year. If the elected MPs were split based on a proportion of the popular vote - the Tories would have about 10 out of 59.
For nationalists - it's not about what is fair or representative - it's about giving them the answer they want to hear - by whatever means.
Troubleatmill said:
Chlamydia said:
fblm said:
arp1 said:
Spend our way out of trouble, lower taxes and get more people spending
In a few years everyone north of the border will be a billionare just like Zimbabwe
eldar said:
GetCarter said:
Yes, but counties have different measures for billions.
ETA A million million, or a thousand million.
Indeed, but using either of those it is either 100 billion or 1,000 billion. Not enough zeros on the note?ETA A million million, or a thousand million.
Edited by GetCarter on Sunday 24th August 19:37
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