Scotland after the vote

[Walford]

simoid said:

It makes fk all sense.

We control everything that we could ever want to be locally controlled at present (health, education, police, transport).

But you also control this in England, which is wrong, without the scottish MP,s Camaroon would have a majority
after this vote, there needs to be some changes that restore our democracy

These 60 MP,s should not be voting one way in scotland on devolved matters and then the opposite way in england
.

[Walford]

Welshbeef said:

Walford said:

there is no currency issue

No there really is not any currency issue its crystal clear no currency union so do whatever Scottish like

Salmond want to rejoin the EU, that means joining the Euro
there is no currency issue

[HenryJM]

Walford said:

Salmond want to rejoin the EU, that means joining the Euro
there is no currency issue

Salmond wants to be in a currency union with the UK and be a member of the EU. Exactly what already exists under the Union and what can't exist under independence.

So since what is wanted already exists, why vote Yes?

[Welshbeef]

Walford said:

Welshbeef said:

Walford said:

there is no currency issue

No there really is not any currency issue its crystal clear no currency union so do whatever Scottish like

Salmond want to rejoin the EU, that means joining the Euro
there is no currency issue

You do know one of the key rules for joining the away is to have your own central bank and that it taxes stab ally against the Euro for 24-36 months, by Salmond going down the route of using the £ without any control it means that one of the key criteria for joining the away is not net nor will it ever be.

Heck as we know its less Independance than you have now which is mind boggling.

[gofasterrosssco]

Moonhawk said:

technodup said:

All of them have spouted the same guff about not getting the government we vote for. Surely the logical answer to that is to campaign for PR rather than independence?

They won't do that - because they'd end up with more Tory representation than they currently get.

At the 2010 general election - the Tories got 1 seat out of a possible 59 (about 1.7%). However, considering every Scottish person supposedly hates the tories, it is odd that 1 in 6 voters in Scotland voted Tory that year. If the elected MPs were split based on a proportion of the popular vote - the Tories would have about 10 out of 59.

For nationalists - it's not about what is fair or representative - it's about giving them the answer they want to hear - by whatever means.

It's been over 80 years since the UK last had a government voted in by a majority (i.e. the government 'we' voted for). Even the current Scottish government wasn't voted in by a majority - more people voted for something else......so this talk about "getting the government we voted for" is nationalist rhetoric - nothing more.

Nails being consumately hit on the head here..

[Walford]

doogz said:

Walford said:

Welshbeef said:

Walford said:

there is no currency issue

No there really is not any currency issue its crystal clear no currency union so do whatever Scottish like

Salmond want to rejoin the EU, that means joining the Euro
there is no currency issue

Do you honestly believe that?

Or do you just live in hope that if you keep saying it, everything will be alright?

Just about every tin pot nation within 2000 miles of mainland europe has been allowed to join the EU. most of them did,nt meet any "real" criteria, do you think they wont let an oil exporting scotland in
,

[Beati Dogu]

No, the EU Reich wouldn't want to lose a tin pot nation.

[Troubleatmill]

Walford said:

doogz said:

Walford said:

Welshbeef said:

Walford said:

there is no currency issue

No there really is not any currency issue its crystal clear no currency union so do whatever Scottish like

Salmond want to rejoin the EU, that means joining the Euro
there is no currency issue

Do you honestly believe that?

Or do you just live in hope that if you keep saying it, everything will be alright?

Just about every tin pot nation within 2000 miles of mainland europe has been allowed to join the EU. most of them did,nt meet any "real" criteria, do you think they wont let an oil exporting scotland in
,

For a price they will. Every country that has joined the EU has had to give something up. You will be told what you need to concede. The terms will be much worse that you are enjoying now.


Oh and just one country can veto it.

There is a lot of oil up there isn't there? And.. there are a few EU countries in desperate need of financial support. If only there was a way to help them...
And there is a quite a bit of fish.... Those fishing boats in Spain and Portugal could do with bringing in a bigger catch
And.....


Worse of all - you have 27 or so countries to get agreement from. They will all want something for their vote of support.

Do you see how the conversation will go?
It won't be pleasant.

Edited by Troubleatmill on Monday 25th August 12:19

Edited by Troubleatmill on Monday 25th August 12:20

[Gogoplata]

HenryJM said:

Salmond wants to be in a currency union with the UK and be a member of the EU. Exactly what already exists under the Union and what can't exist under independence.

So since what is wanted already exists, why vote Yes?

Because Freedom.

[McWigglebum4th]

Walford said:

do you think they wont let an oil exporting scotland in
,

explain this

We are keeping all of the oil revenue and spending it on greater benefits for the feckless and then spending it a 2nd time on the scotish NHS and then finally putting this money we have spent twice into an oil fund


Seeing we are keeping all the oil money


What is the advantage to the EU in letting us into the EU?

As they won't see a penny of the oil money

[speedyman]

Its our (ruk) oil money to......... ref pound, see how it works both ways. This farce will just end up costing the whole of the uk huge amounts of money for no gain, least of all Scotland. Salmond and the snp will cripple Scotland economically if there is a yes vote.

[Welshbeef]

Walford said:

Just about every tin pot nation within 2000 miles of mainland europe has been allowed to join the EU. most of them did,nt meet any "real" criteria, do you think they wont let an oil exporting scotland in
,

They all had own currencies and Leander of last resort.

None have joined since the crash which finally showed the world the issue with the EU.
Given the EU has Germany France rUK Italy Spain these power houses of GDP as much as you think North Sea oil tax revenues are great its pocket change it really is.

[Matt..]

Walford said:

incorrect again
Serbia Montenegro Albania and Iceland all joined well after the crash
there are now so many none facts discussed and posted on this subject Scotland is becoming a laughing stock

and the only country that has be rejected is Morocco, for its very poor human rights standards.

None of those are in the EU. They are candidates, which means they're accepted in principle, but are still in negotiation, and could still not gain membership.

[catso]

speedyman said:

Salmond and the snp will cripple Scotland economically if there is a yes vote.

But (like Blair) I suspect he will reap the personal benefits further down the line...

[Kermit power]

Troubleatmill said:

Walford said:

doogz said:

Walford said:

Welshbeef said:

Walford said:

there is no currency issue

No there really is not any currency issue its crystal clear no currency union so do whatever Scottish like

Salmond want to rejoin the EU, that means joining the Euro
there is no currency issue

Do you honestly believe that?

Or do you just live in hope that if you keep saying it, everything will be alright?

Just about every tin pot nation within 2000 miles of mainland europe has been allowed to join the EU. most of them did,nt meet any "real" criteria, do you think they wont let an oil exporting scotland in
,

For a price they will. Every country that has joined the EU has had to give something up. You will be told what you need to concede. The terms will be much worse that you are enjoying now.


Oh and just one country can veto it.

You didn't really need to go any further than this, to be honest.

Just one country can veto it, and that one country will be Spain or, better yet if they can swing it, another country doing Spain a big favour.

As most on this thread are probably aware, Spain themselves have their own independence-minded regions. There is, however, one critical difference. Where we have the unhealthy, unemployed uncle of the family seeking independence, in Spain, it's the main breadwinner.

If Scotland gains independence, rUK will scarcely notice. If, on the other hand, Catalunya were to gain independence, the rest of Spain would be royally buggered. As such, they'll do anything they possibly can to fk Scotland about, purely to be able to create fear and uncertainty with Catalan voters, should they ever secure themselves a full referendum there.

Of course, if they can persuade another country to do them the favour of rejecting Scotland so that it doesn't purely look like they've done it to spite the Catalans, then so much the better, but either way, I can't see any way that they can afford to allow a newly independent region of the UK into the EU.

[Walford]

Spain is one country, England and Scotland are separate countries,
either way after the vote the scottish voting farce at westminster will change, people in england are fed up with the scotts propping up losers like b,lair and brown

[NoNeed]

Walford said:

Spain is one country, England and Scotland are separate countries,
either way after the vote the scottish voting farce at westminster will change, people in england are fed up with the scotts propping up losers like b,lair and brown

I have to say that that is the most stupid statement I have read in all my time on PH, and I spend a lot of time reading posts in the lounge.



Did you have a straight face while typing?

[Kermit power]

Walford said:

Spain is one country, England and Scotland are separate countries

Outstanding failure to check on the history of Spain (and France, if we're being pedantic) before posting!

[NoNeed]

Kermit power said:

Walford said:

Spain is one country, England and Scotland are separate countries

Outstanding failure to check on the history of Spain (and France, if we're being pedantic) before posting!

Did you read the bt about scots propping up losers blair and brown?


This is either a comedy genius trying out new material on us or the worst troll in internet history

[Borghetto]

NoNeed said:

Walford said:

Spain is one country, England and Scotland are separate countries,
either way after the vote the scottish voting farce at westminster will change, people in england are fed up with the scotts propping up losers like b,lair and brown

I have to say that that is the most stupid statement I have read in all my time on PH, and I spend a lot of time reading posts in the lounge.



Did you have a straight face while typing?

Walford is an amateur, for true stupidity you need to refer to Arp1's comedy gold from last week. "Spend our way out of trouble, lower taxes and get more people spending".

Edited by Borghetto on Monday 25th August 20:15