Scotland after the vote
Discussion
Borghetto said:
Walford is an amateur, for true stupidy you need to refer to Arp1's comedy gold from last week. "Spend our way out of trouble, lower taxes and get more people spending".
I'm not sure they are different people, in fact I suspect a couple of the nats have multiple logins maybe one at home and one in the office/mobile phone so that IP addresses are different.Walford said:
Spain is one country, England and Scotland are separate countries,
either way after the vote the scottish voting farce at westminster will change, people in england are fed up with the scotts propping up losers like b,lair and brown
Wait a minuteeither way after the vote the scottish voting farce at westminster will change, people in england are fed up with the scotts propping up losers like b,lair and brown
i thought that scotlands vote were completely irrelevant
Axionknight said:
Petemate said:
I haven't read all the thread so apologies if already covered but will Scotland lose access to NHS if it goes Yes?
They will have to fund their own, it is currently a devolved issue that is fully under the control of Holyrood anyway.NoNeed said:
Axionknight said:
Petemate said:
I haven't read all the thread so apologies if already covered but will Scotland lose access to NHS if it goes Yes?
They will have to fund their own, it is currently a devolved issue that is fully under the control of Holyrood anyway.HenryJM said:
That would be a shame, the only specialist cancer hospitals in the UK are in England. I'd hope some means of cooperation could be worked out because whatever else suffers under independence it shouldn't be that.
One might assume that the Scottish taxpayer could end up funding the English private health service...HenryJM said:
That would be a shame, the only specialist cancer hospitals in the UK are in England. I'd hope some means of cooperation could be worked out because whatever else suffers under independence it shouldn't be that.
Well known and respected Cancer Care in Scotland....http://www.beatson.scot.nhs.uk/content/
McWigglebum4th said:
Wait a minute
i thought that scotlands vote were completely irrelevant
With all the nonsense about Scotland not getting the Government they vote for, this is a good time to remind readers that at every general election for the 13 years in which Gordon Brown was ruining our economy, a majority in England voted Conservative. So the largest, most significant part of the Union had a government foisted on it by a combination of labour voting Scots and a skewed electoral system. i thought that scotlands vote were completely irrelevant
richie99 said:
With all the nonsense about Scotland not getting the Government they vote for, this is a good time to remind readers that at every general election for the 13 years in which Gordon Brown was ruining our economy, a majority in England voted Conservative. So the largest, most significant part of the Union had a government foisted on it by a combination of labour voting Scots and a skewed electoral system.
I don't think that is right. I don't have a breakdown of the results for England for the 1997 or 2001 election but in 2005 the result for England was:Labour 286 seats 35.4% of popular vote
Tories 194 seats 35.7% of popular vote
So the Tories fractionally won the popular vote but Labour won 54% of the seats under the first-past-the-post system.
You can work backwards to the 2001 result using the movement in 2005. This would have given a result in 2001 of:
Labour 323 seats 41.4% of popular vote
Tories 162 seats 35.2% of popular vote
So it is not true to say that England has always voted Tory. They did in 2010 and it is possible that the 2015 election may result in a Tory majority in England but a Labour majority across the whole UK.
Guam said:
For me the Key thing here is if there is a yes vote, voting in Scotland in a UK GE in 2015 should be disbarred, they should have no vote in the composition of a Parliament they will be leaving shortly after, plus they should have no say in any voting in parliament on any negotiations following a Yes vote.
I can't see them being barred but it should be clear that any Scottish MP will cease to be an MP on the day of independence. So if in 2015 Labour win a small majority or rule as a minority government due to their Scottish MPs then it will be a straightforward vote of no confidence to remove them from power in the event of Scottish independence.The whole 'West Lothian question' should have been addressed before power was devolved to the regional assemblies.
In the example of healthcare, power is devolved to regional assemblies but the whole House of Commons vote on healthcare matters for England alone. That is grossly unfair and undemocratic. I know some Scottish MPs abstain from these votes but they are the exception rather than the rule.
ralphrj said:
richie99 said:
With all the nonsense about Scotland not getting the Government they vote for, this is a good time to remind readers that at every general election for the 13 years in which Gordon Brown was ruining our economy, a majority in England voted Conservative. So the largest, most significant part of the Union had a government foisted on it by a combination of labour voting Scots and a skewed electoral system.
I don't think that is right. I don't have a breakdown of the results for England for the 1997 or 2001 election but in 2005 the result for England was:Labour 286 seats 35.4% of popular vote
Tories 194 seats 35.7% of popular vote
So the Tories fractionally won the popular vote but Labour won 54% of the seats under the first-past-the-post system.
You can work backwards to the 2001 result using the movement in 2005. This would have given a result in 2001 of:
Labour 323 seats 41.4% of popular vote
Tories 162 seats 35.2% of popular vote
So it is not true to say that England has always voted Tory. They did in 2010 and it is possible that the 2015 election may result in a Tory majority in England but a Labour majority across the whole UK.
Trident location, then again if I were rUK I wouldn't want my nuclear weapons based out of a foriegn nation on a permenant basis. Plus team Yes make noises about being desperate to be rid of it, so if they used keeping it as a bartering chip that makes them both liars and hypocrits.
But we know they are anyway.
But we know they are anyway.
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