Scotland after the vote

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NoNeed

15,137 posts

199 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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Borghetto said:
Walford is an amateur, for true stupidy you need to refer to Arp1's comedy gold from last week. "Spend our way out of trouble, lower taxes and get more people spending".
I'm not sure they are different people, in fact I suspect a couple of the nats have multiple logins maybe one at home and one in the office/mobile phone so that IP addresses are different.

kingofdbrits

622 posts

192 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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Gogoplata said:
HenryJM said:
Salmond wants to be in a currency union with the UK and be a member of the EU. Exactly what already exists under the Union and what can't exist under independence.

So since what is wanted already exists, why vote Yes?
Because Freedom.


McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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Walford said:
Spain is one country, England and Scotland are separate countries,
either way after the vote the scottish voting farce at westminster will change, people in england are fed up with the scotts propping up losers like b,lair and brown
Wait a minute

i thought that scotlands vote were completely irrelevant



Petemate

1,674 posts

190 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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I haven't read all the thread so apologies if already covered but will Scotland lose access to NHS if it goes Yes?

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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Petemate said:
I haven't read all the thread so apologies if already covered but will Scotland lose access to NHS if it goes Yes?
They will have to fund their own, it is currently a devolved issue that is fully under the control of Holyrood anyway.

NoNeed

15,137 posts

199 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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Axionknight said:
Petemate said:
I haven't read all the thread so apologies if already covered but will Scotland lose access to NHS if it goes Yes?
They will have to fund their own, it is currently a devolved issue that is fully under the control of Holyrood anyway.
The patients they currently send to England for free treatment will stop though as the UK is taking steps to end health tourism and Scotland will no longer be a part of the UK.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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Good.

HenryJM

6,315 posts

128 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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NoNeed said:
Axionknight said:
Petemate said:
I haven't read all the thread so apologies if already covered but will Scotland lose access to NHS if it goes Yes?
They will have to fund their own, it is currently a devolved issue that is fully under the control of Holyrood anyway.
The patients they currently send to England for free treatment will stop though as the UK is taking steps to end health tourism and Scotland will no longer be a part of the UK.
That would be a shame, the only specialist cancer hospitals in the UK are in England. I'd hope some means of cooperation could be worked out because whatever else suffers under independence it shouldn't be that.

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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HenryJM said:
That would be a shame, the only specialist cancer hospitals in the UK are in England. I'd hope some means of cooperation could be worked out because whatever else suffers under independence it shouldn't be that.
One might assume that the Scottish taxpayer could end up funding the English private health service...

skelters

423 posts

133 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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HenryJM said:
That would be a shame, the only specialist cancer hospitals in the UK are in England. I'd hope some means of cooperation could be worked out because whatever else suffers under independence it shouldn't be that.
Well known and respected Cancer Care in Scotland....

http://www.beatson.scot.nhs.uk/content/



mondeoman

11,430 posts

265 months

Monday 25th August 2014
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kingofdbrits said:
Quite ironic

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

218 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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mondeoman said:
kingofdbrits said:
Quite ironic
Well - at least they had the decency to paint the fence blue biggrin

richie99

1,116 posts

185 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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McWigglebum4th said:
Wait a minute

i thought that scotlands vote were completely irrelevant
With all the nonsense about Scotland not getting the Government they vote for, this is a good time to remind readers that at every general election for the 13 years in which Gordon Brown was ruining our economy, a majority in England voted Conservative. So the largest, most significant part of the Union had a government foisted on it by a combination of labour voting Scots and a skewed electoral system.

ralphrj

3,508 posts

190 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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richie99 said:
With all the nonsense about Scotland not getting the Government they vote for, this is a good time to remind readers that at every general election for the 13 years in which Gordon Brown was ruining our economy, a majority in England voted Conservative. So the largest, most significant part of the Union had a government foisted on it by a combination of labour voting Scots and a skewed electoral system.
I don't think that is right. I don't have a breakdown of the results for England for the 1997 or 2001 election but in 2005 the result for England was:

Labour 286 seats 35.4% of popular vote
Tories 194 seats 35.7% of popular vote

So the Tories fractionally won the popular vote but Labour won 54% of the seats under the first-past-the-post system.

You can work backwards to the 2001 result using the movement in 2005. This would have given a result in 2001 of:

Labour 323 seats 41.4% of popular vote
Tories 162 seats 35.2% of popular vote

So it is not true to say that England has always voted Tory. They did in 2010 and it is possible that the 2015 election may result in a Tory majority in England but a Labour majority across the whole UK.

ralphrj

3,508 posts

190 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Guam said:
For me the Key thing here is if there is a yes vote, voting in Scotland in a UK GE in 2015 should be disbarred, they should have no vote in the composition of a Parliament they will be leaving shortly after, plus they should have no say in any voting in parliament on any negotiations following a Yes vote.
I can't see them being barred but it should be clear that any Scottish MP will cease to be an MP on the day of independence. So if in 2015 Labour win a small majority or rule as a minority government due to their Scottish MPs then it will be a straightforward vote of no confidence to remove them from power in the event of Scottish independence.

The whole 'West Lothian question' should have been addressed before power was devolved to the regional assemblies.

In the example of healthcare, power is devolved to regional assemblies but the whole House of Commons vote on healthcare matters for England alone. That is grossly unfair and undemocratic. I know some Scottish MPs abstain from these votes but they are the exception rather than the rule.

Walford

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2,259 posts

165 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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ralphrj said:
richie99 said:
With all the nonsense about Scotland not getting the Government they vote for, this is a good time to remind readers that at every general election for the 13 years in which Gordon Brown was ruining our economy, a majority in England voted Conservative. So the largest, most significant part of the Union had a government foisted on it by a combination of labour voting Scots and a skewed electoral system.
I don't think that is right. I don't have a breakdown of the results for England for the 1997 or 2001 election but in 2005 the result for England was:

Labour 286 seats 35.4% of popular vote
Tories 194 seats 35.7% of popular vote

So the Tories fractionally won the popular vote but Labour won 54% of the seats under the first-past-the-post system.

You can work backwards to the 2001 result using the movement in 2005. This would have given a result in 2001 of:

Labour 323 seats 41.4% of popular vote
Tories 162 seats 35.2% of popular vote

So it is not true to say that England has always voted Tory. They did in 2010 and it is possible that the 2015 election may result in a Tory majority in England but a Labour majority across the whole UK.
This is why all of the UK should be voting, we dont want these tax and spend scottish socialists down here

bullies180

1,828 posts

193 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Say Scotland votes yes, apart from their share of the debt and possibly oil, what else does scotland have to negotiate with? Westminster (or wastemonster as they like to call it) hold all the cards..

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Trident location, then again if I were rUK I wouldn't want my nuclear weapons based out of a foriegn nation on a permenant basis. Plus team Yes make noises about being desperate to be rid of it, so if they used keeping it as a bartering chip that makes them both liars and hypocrits.

But we know they are anyway.

bullies180

1,828 posts

193 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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well they've said thats not up for negotiation so i'm wondering what else they have left.

Thorodin

2,459 posts

132 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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There is a USA angle as well. Given 3/4 of Americans insist they are Scottish and USA have to give UK permission for ANYTHING that goes on to do with nuclear armaments strategy in UK, it'll probably stay where it is.