Scotland after the vote
Discussion
Thorodin said:
There is a USA angle as well. Given 3/4 of Americans insist they are Scottish and USA have to give UK permission for ANYTHING that goes on to do with nuclear armaments strategy in UK, it'll probably stay where it is.
I found it interesting that the USA is saying they didn't give permission for Libya to be bombed with weapons they sold. That kind of hurts the whole conspiracy 'USA has an off switch if they don't want it to be used' theory.Thorodin said:
There is a USA angle as well. Given 3/4 of Americans insist they are Scottish and USA have to give UK permission for ANYTHING that goes on to do with nuclear armaments strategy in UK, it'll probably stay where it is.
I dont doubt that the USA has a lot of influence, but we dont need permission from the yanks for anything to do with our nuclear strategy. There are as many schools of thought as there are barrels of oil in the sea but I was alluding to USA wanting to keep these islands as a buffer target for any assumed aggressor. Oh, and prepared to pay IScotland a hefty sum (or debt relief) to keep Faslane as it is. Especially as SNP is only one party and might soon be relegated to third or fourth in the pecking order given Salmond's disgraceful behaviour. It's reasonable to assume that IScotland will feel the need for a wealthy friend if Yes prevails.
Alex Salmond makes a big thing of not agreeing with the way Westminster run Scotland. But who's to say he'll like the way the Scots run Scotland.
If Scotland goes independent, there will have to be a general election at some point. Who can be sure the SNP will win. The Scottish Labour party might win it. In future decades a more prosperous Scotland might elect a conservative govt. Salmond may not end up liking the way Scotland is run by the Scots, never mind the way it's run by the British.
If Scotland goes independent, there will have to be a general election at some point. Who can be sure the SNP will win. The Scottish Labour party might win it. In future decades a more prosperous Scotland might elect a conservative govt. Salmond may not end up liking the way Scotland is run by the Scots, never mind the way it's run by the British.
bullies180 said:
Say Scotland votes yes, apart from their share of the debt and possibly oil, what else does scotland have to negotiate with? Westminster (or wastemonster as they like to call it) hold all the cards..
Well, let's face it. The Westminster government isn't going to do Scotland any favours at the expense of its constituents...?Cameron should set out his lines in the sand on September 17th, simply saying Scotland will only get independence if there's a yes vote if they agree to take 10% of the debt and a population share of future oil revenues. And Trident stays where it is cos the Yanks need it there.
I wonder what would happen in that event
simoid said:
Well, let's face it. The Westminster government isn't going to do Scotland any favours at the expense of its constituents...?
Cameron should set out his lines in the sand on September 17th, simply saying Scotland will only get independence if there's a yes vote if they agree to take 10% of the debt and a population share of future oil revenues. And Trident stays where it is cos the Yanks need it there.
I wonder what would happen in that event
It's ridiculous. If the people of Scotland don't want to stay, then we're well rid. Cameron should set out his lines in the sand on September 17th, simply saying Scotland will only get independence if there's a yes vote if they agree to take 10% of the debt and a population share of future oil revenues. And Trident stays where it is cos the Yanks need it there.
I wonder what would happen in that event
All the oil revenues go to the oil companies who own it. It's the tax on that revenue that would go to the country where the oil was extricated...Scotland. That's fair.
Scotland have agreed to pay their share of the debt, but Salmond is now linking that payment to a deal to share the pound. Says if he can't have a share of the benefits of the BofE, he won't pay the liabilities.
BofE should call his bluff, not offer a currency share deal, and if he defaults, let him. See how the rest of the world then views independent Scotland in terms of a place to invest in??? We would also veto them joining the EU due to outstanding debt.
Borghetto said:
Given the complexity of breaking the union, I'd be amazed if Salmond's hoped for independence date is achieved. This could have quite an effect on iScotland's first election, with a labour party coming in with very different ideas to the SNP.
The date of that election is interesting. it's nine weeks or so after independence. A cynic might suggest Salmond looked for any significant date before that election to declare independence just so he would be the first First Minister of an independent Scotland, even though it meant rushing things. That short timescale works in rUK's favour. We don't need to hold up those negotiations very much to push independence back past election day; who knows what he'll concede to get his name in the history books?
and on the a68, one of my favourite regular 600 mile round road trips south for the weekend to see family and friends davepoth said:
The date of that election is interesting. it's nine weeks or so after independence. A cynic might suggest Salmond looked for any significant date before that election to declare independence just so he would be the first First Minister of an independent Scotland, even though it meant rushing things.
That short timescale works in rUK's favour. We don't need to hold up those negotiations very much to push independence back past election day; who knows what he'll concede to get his name in the history books?
Yup those history books ...That short timescale works in rUK's favour. We don't need to hold up those negotiations very much to push independence back past election day; who knows what he'll concede to get his name in the history books?
My thoughts too!
The good folk of Scotland are voting No and wish to be part of the British community. Those wishing for independence with a cardboard YES in their garden frontage will be disappointed and will have to suck it up in an adult fashion. The power hungry nats will be marginalised and seen for the self seeking politicals that they are.
Vipers said:
Watching all this s
te on ITV debate, what Scotland can do and can't do with the yes vote.
Explain Mr. Salmond how can you spend £776 million on bloody trams, and we have people in Edinburgh living on the streets and we have food banks.
What will change.............
Are you joking? He's the only politician who actively tried to stop the trams project... Or do I miss a 'whoosh'?te on ITV debate, what Scotland can do and can't do with the yes vote.Explain Mr. Salmond how can you spend £776 million on bloody trams, and we have people in Edinburgh living on the streets and we have food banks.
What will change.............
Kinkell said:
The good folk of Scotland are voting No and wish to be part of the British community. Those wishing for independence with a cardboard YES in their garden frontage will be disappointed and will have to suck it up in an adult fashion. The power hungry nats will be marginalised and seen for the self seeking politicals that they are.
^^ This, thankfully.
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