Scotland after the vote
Discussion
Moonhawk said:
I do wonder how much of this is pre-vote bravado.
I doubt many people who have indicated "No" will actually get to the voting booth and think - you know what f#ck it - i'll vote Yes instead.
But - how many people who have said Yes/Maybe to a poll will actually brick it on the day.
I agree. There was always going to be this swing to the Yes as the psychological excitement of actually having a vote started to take effect.I doubt many people who have indicated "No" will actually get to the voting booth and think - you know what f#ck it - i'll vote Yes instead.
But - how many people who have said Yes/Maybe to a poll will actually brick it on the day.
I'm sure when they are actually in the booth with the pencil in their hand and their heart pounding - sense will prevail.
I was stopped at the train station by two 'Yes' campaigners yesterday. I attempted a logical debate, but instead learned a valuable lesson. Never wrestle with a pig, as all that happens is you both get covered in s
t, but the pig likes it. They threw the whole buzzword bingo at me, from tories to poverty to MI5 rigging campaigns. It was like listening to a fourteen year old whom has just discovered his first conspiracy website.
Ironic being told I'm not a true Scot as I'm not voting 'yes', when that accusation comes from those with a foot so firmly in the camp of Southern Ireland and such disregard for the home nation that has supplied them and theirs with cradle to the grave care. If one of them had broken into a Southern Irish brogue and said 'Just grand', I was going to ask if he was also known to some as PCV Driver. That's the elephant in the room though isn't it, and the 'Yes' campaign has played to them brilliantly. I can trace my Sottish lineage back several generations, so if that means to some that I'm not a true Scot because I'm a Unionist and proud of our joint achievements, all the way from forcing the end of slavery with the Royal Navy and the dismantling of the caste system in India, showing the world how to industrialize and mechanize so populations can be fed and clothed, as well as holding back Nazi tyranny in WW2 (when the SNP were vocal Nazi sympathizers, oddly enough) then that's very much their issue, not mine.
They simply fitted to type though. All they were interested in was 'Independence=give me free stuff' and not 'Independence=opportunity to make something of myself through hard work and lower taxes' and there, for me, is the crux of it.
If the yes campaign had sung the latter tune, I'd give them the time of day. But no, they never have. They know it would alienate their core support of motability driving, bad back claimant council scheme dwellers.
I have several friends whom have already moved their money out of Scottish financial institutions, and most of them are now seriously looking at an exit plan should this vote tip for independence. They are all like me, started with not much of anything, but have worked very hard, and made something of themselves. Exactly the sort of people that would get hammered in the Socialist utopia we are promised.
For me, I have relatives in Canada, and there is a bit of a pilot shortage there, so that's option one for me. Taxes are high, but so is the return, and it's a jump off point into the States if you want to make it so. I also have mates out in the far east, whom could get me an interview and a sim check at least. That's option two.
Option three of sticking around to get taxed to death while watching an act of bread and circuses isn't the card I'm playing.
t, but the pig likes it. They threw the whole buzzword bingo at me, from tories to poverty to MI5 rigging campaigns. It was like listening to a fourteen year old whom has just discovered his first conspiracy website.Ironic being told I'm not a true Scot as I'm not voting 'yes', when that accusation comes from those with a foot so firmly in the camp of Southern Ireland and such disregard for the home nation that has supplied them and theirs with cradle to the grave care. If one of them had broken into a Southern Irish brogue and said 'Just grand', I was going to ask if he was also known to some as PCV Driver. That's the elephant in the room though isn't it, and the 'Yes' campaign has played to them brilliantly. I can trace my Sottish lineage back several generations, so if that means to some that I'm not a true Scot because I'm a Unionist and proud of our joint achievements, all the way from forcing the end of slavery with the Royal Navy and the dismantling of the caste system in India, showing the world how to industrialize and mechanize so populations can be fed and clothed, as well as holding back Nazi tyranny in WW2 (when the SNP were vocal Nazi sympathizers, oddly enough) then that's very much their issue, not mine.
They simply fitted to type though. All they were interested in was 'Independence=give me free stuff' and not 'Independence=opportunity to make something of myself through hard work and lower taxes' and there, for me, is the crux of it.
If the yes campaign had sung the latter tune, I'd give them the time of day. But no, they never have. They know it would alienate their core support of motability driving, bad back claimant council scheme dwellers.
I have several friends whom have already moved their money out of Scottish financial institutions, and most of them are now seriously looking at an exit plan should this vote tip for independence. They are all like me, started with not much of anything, but have worked very hard, and made something of themselves. Exactly the sort of people that would get hammered in the Socialist utopia we are promised.
For me, I have relatives in Canada, and there is a bit of a pilot shortage there, so that's option one for me. Taxes are high, but so is the return, and it's a jump off point into the States if you want to make it so. I also have mates out in the far east, whom could get me an interview and a sim check at least. That's option two.
Option three of sticking around to get taxed to death while watching an act of bread and circuses isn't the card I'm playing.
Chainguy said:
I was stopped at the train station by two 'Yes' campaigners yesterday. I attempted a logical debate, but instead learned a valuable lesson. Never wrestle with a pig, as all that happens is you both get covered in st, but the pig likes it. They threw the whole buzzword bingo at me, from tories to poverty to MI5 rigging campaigns. It was like listening to a fourteen year old whom has just discovered his first conspiracy website.
Ironic being told I'm not a true Scot as I'm not voting 'yes', when that accusation comes from those with a foot so firmly in the camp of Southern Ireland and such disregard for the home nation that has supplied them and theirs with cradle to the grave care. If one of them had broken into a Southern Irish brogue and said 'Just grand', I was going to ask if he was also known to some as PCV Driver. That's the elephant in the room though isn't it, and the 'Yes' campaign has played to them brilliantly. I can trace my Sottish lineage back several generations, so if that means to some that I'm not a true Scot because I'm a Unionist and proud of our joint achievements, all the way from forcing the end of slavery with the Royal Navy and the dismantling of the caste system in India, showing the world how to industrialize and mechanize so populations can be fed and clothed, as well as holding back Nazi tyranny in WW2 (when the SNP were vocal Nazi sympathizers, oddly enough) then that's very much their issue, not mine.
They simply fitted to type though. All they were interested in was 'Independence=give me free stuff' and not 'Independence=opportunity to make something of myself through hard work and lower taxes' and there, for me, is the crux of it.
If the yes campaign had sung the latter tune, I'd give them the time of day. But no, they never have. They know it would alienate their core support of motability driving, bad back claimant council scheme dwellers.
I have several friends whom have already moved their money out of Scottish financial institutions, and most of them are now seriously looking at an exit plan should this vote tip for independence. They are all like me, started with not much of anything, but have worked very hard, and made something of themselves. Exactly the sort of people that would get hammered in the Socialist utopia we are promised.
For me, I have relatives in Canada, and there is a bit of a pilot shortage there, so that's option one for me. Taxes are high, but so is the return, and it's a jump off point into the States if you want to make it so. I also have mates out in the far east, whom could get me an interview and a sim check at least. That's option two.
Option three of sticking around to get taxed to death while watching an act of bread and circuses isn't the card I'm playing.
Cold comfort, but you're not alone. There're many of us in an almost identical position/state of mind.t, but the pig likes it. They threw the whole buzzword bingo at me, from tories to poverty to MI5 rigging campaigns. It was like listening to a fourteen year old whom has just discovered his first conspiracy website.Ironic being told I'm not a true Scot as I'm not voting 'yes', when that accusation comes from those with a foot so firmly in the camp of Southern Ireland and such disregard for the home nation that has supplied them and theirs with cradle to the grave care. If one of them had broken into a Southern Irish brogue and said 'Just grand', I was going to ask if he was also known to some as PCV Driver. That's the elephant in the room though isn't it, and the 'Yes' campaign has played to them brilliantly. I can trace my Sottish lineage back several generations, so if that means to some that I'm not a true Scot because I'm a Unionist and proud of our joint achievements, all the way from forcing the end of slavery with the Royal Navy and the dismantling of the caste system in India, showing the world how to industrialize and mechanize so populations can be fed and clothed, as well as holding back Nazi tyranny in WW2 (when the SNP were vocal Nazi sympathizers, oddly enough) then that's very much their issue, not mine.
They simply fitted to type though. All they were interested in was 'Independence=give me free stuff' and not 'Independence=opportunity to make something of myself through hard work and lower taxes' and there, for me, is the crux of it.
If the yes campaign had sung the latter tune, I'd give them the time of day. But no, they never have. They know it would alienate their core support of motability driving, bad back claimant council scheme dwellers.
I have several friends whom have already moved their money out of Scottish financial institutions, and most of them are now seriously looking at an exit plan should this vote tip for independence. They are all like me, started with not much of anything, but have worked very hard, and made something of themselves. Exactly the sort of people that would get hammered in the Socialist utopia we are promised.
For me, I have relatives in Canada, and there is a bit of a pilot shortage there, so that's option one for me. Taxes are high, but so is the return, and it's a jump off point into the States if you want to make it so. I also have mates out in the far east, whom could get me an interview and a sim check at least. That's option two.
Option three of sticking around to get taxed to death while watching an act of bread and circuses isn't the card I'm playing.
If the worst happens, good luck!
Chainguy said:
Thanks Rod, and you too.
And this the house we stand to losehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJYuQhD0tD4
I really don't want to end up living a dump of a flat in england
McWigglebum4th said:
And this the house we stand to lose
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJYuQhD0tD4
I really don't want to end up living a dump of a flat in england
That's a truly beautiful home, all credit to you both. In iScotland, no doubt <tommysheridan> all property will be a (heavily taxed) theft though brother <tommysheridan> so prepare to pay again and again simply for the pleasure of living where you have worked to be.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJYuQhD0tD4
I really don't want to end up living a dump of a flat in england
Morning all,
I’m a firm no voter for various reasons, however if the yes camp win and Scotland does indeed become independent do you really think it will be as bad as some people are making out? I am certain there will be change but surely common sense must prevail. Will there be a deal done between rUK and iScotland involving Trident, oil, currency union, etc?
I’m a firm no voter for various reasons, however if the yes camp win and Scotland does indeed become independent do you really think it will be as bad as some people are making out? I am certain there will be change but surely common sense must prevail. Will there be a deal done between rUK and iScotland involving Trident, oil, currency union, etc?
McWigglebum4th said:
And this the house we stand to lose
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJYuQhD0tD4
I really don't want to end up living a dump of a flat in england
I'm in Milltimber so not far from yourselves, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJYuQhD0tD4
I really don't want to end up living a dump of a flat in england
/wave
Here is a better chance of a supercharged range rover doing 100 mpg, than the uk slitting it's own throat to make a currency union happen.
I have friends who have moved all cash out of Scottish banks.
Some friends who work in the shipyards, it's the P45 plane for them.
Estate agents have seen a drop as people are putting on hold buying till they see what way it goes.
One has a house on hold as the german buyers have said a yes vote sees their company pull out of Scotland.
People on here have said that contracts have remained south due to this.
The papers showed that some companies have started moving funds south to protect them.
You saw how tr markets reacted to ONE poll saying yes was ahead...
I do believe the markets will bail, and jobs will be lost.
My money is safe in English banks, while my job may not be at risk. I won't be hanging round to see what happens.
I have friends who have moved all cash out of Scottish banks.
Some friends who work in the shipyards, it's the P45 plane for them.
Estate agents have seen a drop as people are putting on hold buying till they see what way it goes.
One has a house on hold as the german buyers have said a yes vote sees their company pull out of Scotland.
People on here have said that contracts have remained south due to this.
The papers showed that some companies have started moving funds south to protect them.
You saw how tr markets reacted to ONE poll saying yes was ahead...
I do believe the markets will bail, and jobs will be lost.
My money is safe in English banks, while my job may not be at risk. I won't be hanging round to see what happens.
Chainguy said:
I was stopped at the train station by two 'Yes' campaigners yesterday. I attempted a logical debate, but instead learned a valuable lesson. Never wrestle with a pig, as all that happens is you both get covered in st, but the pig likes it. They threw the whole buzzword bingo at me, from tories to poverty to MI5 rigging campaigns. It was like listening to a fourteen year old whom has just discovered his first conspiracy website.
Ironic being told I'm not a true Scot as I'm not voting 'yes', when that accusation comes from those with a foot so firmly in the camp of Southern Ireland and such disregard for the home nation that has supplied them and theirs with cradle to the grave care. If one of them had broken into a Southern Irish brogue and said 'Just grand', I was going to ask if he was also known to some as PCV Driver. That's the elephant in the room though isn't it, and the 'Yes' campaign has played to them brilliantly. I can trace my Sottish lineage back several generations, so if that means to some that I'm not a true Scot because I'm a Unionist and proud of our joint achievements, all the way from forcing the end of slavery with the Royal Navy and the dismantling of the caste system in India, showing the world how to industrialize and mechanize so populations can be fed and clothed, as well as holding back Nazi tyranny in WW2 (when the SNP were vocal Nazi sympathizers, oddly enough) then that's very much their issue, not mine.
They simply fitted to type though. All they were interested in was 'Independence=give me free stuff' and not 'Independence=opportunity to make something of myself through hard work and lower taxes' and there, for me, is the crux of it.
If the yes campaign had sung the latter tune, I'd give them the time of day. But no, they never have. They know it would alienate their core support of motability driving, bad back claimant council scheme dwellers.
I have several friends whom have already moved their money out of Scottish financial institutions, and most of them are now seriously looking at an exit plan should this vote tip for independence. They are all like me, started with not much of anything, but have worked very hard, and made something of themselves. Exactly the sort of people that would get hammered in the Socialist utopia we are promised.
For me, I have relatives in Canada, and there is a bit of a pilot shortage there, so that's option one for me. Taxes are high, but so is the return, and it's a jump off point into the States if you want to make it so. I also have mates out in the far east, whom could get me an interview and a sim check at least. That's option two.
Option three of sticking around to get taxed to death while watching an act of bread and circuses isn't the card I'm playing.
Did they actually say to your face that you are not a true scot? If so I'm impressed that you remained composed. I would of probably throttled the buggers.t, but the pig likes it. They threw the whole buzzword bingo at me, from tories to poverty to MI5 rigging campaigns. It was like listening to a fourteen year old whom has just discovered his first conspiracy website.Ironic being told I'm not a true Scot as I'm not voting 'yes', when that accusation comes from those with a foot so firmly in the camp of Southern Ireland and such disregard for the home nation that has supplied them and theirs with cradle to the grave care. If one of them had broken into a Southern Irish brogue and said 'Just grand', I was going to ask if he was also known to some as PCV Driver. That's the elephant in the room though isn't it, and the 'Yes' campaign has played to them brilliantly. I can trace my Sottish lineage back several generations, so if that means to some that I'm not a true Scot because I'm a Unionist and proud of our joint achievements, all the way from forcing the end of slavery with the Royal Navy and the dismantling of the caste system in India, showing the world how to industrialize and mechanize so populations can be fed and clothed, as well as holding back Nazi tyranny in WW2 (when the SNP were vocal Nazi sympathizers, oddly enough) then that's very much their issue, not mine.
They simply fitted to type though. All they were interested in was 'Independence=give me free stuff' and not 'Independence=opportunity to make something of myself through hard work and lower taxes' and there, for me, is the crux of it.
If the yes campaign had sung the latter tune, I'd give them the time of day. But no, they never have. They know it would alienate their core support of motability driving, bad back claimant council scheme dwellers.
I have several friends whom have already moved their money out of Scottish financial institutions, and most of them are now seriously looking at an exit plan should this vote tip for independence. They are all like me, started with not much of anything, but have worked very hard, and made something of themselves. Exactly the sort of people that would get hammered in the Socialist utopia we are promised.
For me, I have relatives in Canada, and there is a bit of a pilot shortage there, so that's option one for me. Taxes are high, but so is the return, and it's a jump off point into the States if you want to make it so. I also have mates out in the far east, whom could get me an interview and a sim check at least. That's option two.
Option three of sticking around to get taxed to death while watching an act of bread and circuses isn't the card I'm playing.
Y'know what? Whatever happens we'll just get on with it. Little will really change despite all the whining, whinging and hand-wringing. The sheer number of, and size of scare stories makes me cringe.
I've been a confirmed 'No' voter, but the vitriol and garbage spewed forth just makes me introduce some doubt into that.
If it goes independent then I'll see if its worth keeping the house there and returning. If it all goes to st then we all have choices to make...
I've been a confirmed 'No' voter, but the vitriol and garbage spewed forth just makes me introduce some doubt into that.
If it goes independent then I'll see if its worth keeping the house there and returning. If it all goes to s
t then we all have choices to make...A.J.M said:
Here is a better chance of a supercharged range rover doing 100 mpg, than the uk slitting it's own throat to make a currency union happen.
I have friends who have moved all cash out of Scottish banks.
Some friends who work in the shipyards, it's the P45 plane for them.
Estate agents have seen a drop as people are putting on hold buying till they see what way it goes.
One has a house on hold as the german buyers have said a yes vote sees their company pull out of Scotland.
People on here have said that contracts have remained south due to this.
The papers showed that some companies have started moving funds south to protect them.
You saw how tr markets reacted to ONE poll saying yes was ahead...
I do believe the markets will bail, and jobs will be lost.
My money is safe in English banks, while my job may not be at risk. I won't be hanging round to see what happens.
No matter if they vote "no" now, tremendous damage has been done. I personally won't knowingly buy or deal with Scotland now, not seeing how much they despise the British (I'm half Scot, by the way - even my name is very Scot (think along the lines of Hamish Robert McDougal)).I have friends who have moved all cash out of Scottish banks.
Some friends who work in the shipyards, it's the P45 plane for them.
Estate agents have seen a drop as people are putting on hold buying till they see what way it goes.
One has a house on hold as the german buyers have said a yes vote sees their company pull out of Scotland.
People on here have said that contracts have remained south due to this.
The papers showed that some companies have started moving funds south to protect them.
You saw how tr markets reacted to ONE poll saying yes was ahead...
I do believe the markets will bail, and jobs will be lost.
My money is safe in English banks, while my job may not be at risk. I won't be hanging round to see what happens.
I for one will be writing to my MP and making it very plain indeed what my opinions on CU are: never. Similarly not one penny in support. If they don't want to repay their debt then f
k 'em, we'll have to do it, and not be held to ransom for it. All those HMRC jobs - south of the border asap.The embittered, ginger baby eating t
ts can go to hell in a handcart as far as I'm concerned - but I aint subsidising it.ETA: I forgot to mention - my cousins said that a lot of people where they live who are unionist are very much keeping their heads down due to high levels of intimidation, car vandalism and so forth.
Edited by Dog Star on Tuesday 9th September 11:33
Ecosseven said:
Morning all,
surely common sense must prevail?.
Common sense will certainly prevail, but what makes sense for rUK maybe won't make sense for iScotland.surely common sense must prevail?.
Take currency union - it won't happen unless iScotland surrenders its ability to set its own tax rates - why would rUK allow the Socialist Republic of Brigadoon to screw up the £ with irresponsible tax and spending decisions? If you don't have your own currency, you can't control your own economy. If you use someone else's currency (£ or euro) you have to accept the financial stability rules that are imposed on you. Ask Greece what that's like.
Why would rUK do iScotland any favours at all? - only to prevent a country on its borders collapsing, with all the immigration problems and economic dislocation that would entail, and as a quid pro quo for something else - maybe military bases.
Rest assured that any negotiations will be very hard-headed and aimed at protecting rUK's interests only. Once you're out of the Union, you're out for good.
Moonhawk said:
I do wonder how much of this is pre-vote bravado.
I doubt many people who have indicated "No" will actually get to the voting booth and think - you know what f#ck it - i'll vote Yes instead.
But - how many people who have said Yes/Maybe to a poll will actually brick it on the day.
There is no accounting for stupidity and general ignorance in the electorate in both Scotland and England, the 10 years of Labour prove that!I doubt many people who have indicated "No" will actually get to the voting booth and think - you know what f#ck it - i'll vote Yes instead.
But - how many people who have said Yes/Maybe to a poll will actually brick it on the day.
I just want the vote to happen and be over and done with this whole sorry episode. Whatever the result the damage has been done to Scotland already both financially and socially.
It has already divided our family, the father in-law who as a yes voter was non too happy to hear me state that should a Yes vote happen we will probably have to move south back to England. Taking daughter and grandson 240 miles away. I do not want to, the quality of life and services we receive are way above what we used to get in England.
How Scotland would pay for them post Yes vote I have no idea, but come for the higher earners they will. I will not let them have the chance.
Every other day I get a colourful cartoony type propaganda leaflets from the Yes campaign pushed through my door, the figures and promises on them plucked from thin air. I see vandalised No Thanks billboards everywhere which sums up the mentality of some of the Yes campaigners.
Things are already pretty good, why put everything at risk for the tiny chance of getting even more, it smacks of greed.
It has already divided our family, the father in-law who as a yes voter was non too happy to hear me state that should a Yes vote happen we will probably have to move south back to England. Taking daughter and grandson 240 miles away. I do not want to, the quality of life and services we receive are way above what we used to get in England.
How Scotland would pay for them post Yes vote I have no idea, but come for the higher earners they will. I will not let them have the chance.
Every other day I get a colourful cartoony type propaganda leaflets from the Yes campaign pushed through my door, the figures and promises on them plucked from thin air. I see vandalised No Thanks billboards everywhere which sums up the mentality of some of the Yes campaigners.
Things are already pretty good, why put everything at risk for the tiny chance of getting even more, it smacks of greed.
Cobnapint said:
Moonhawk said:
I do wonder how much of this is pre-vote bravado.
I doubt many people who have indicated "No" will actually get to the voting booth and think - you know what f#ck it - i'll vote Yes instead.
But - how many people who have said Yes/Maybe to a poll will actually brick it on the day.
I agree. There was always going to be this swing to the Yes as the psychological excitement of actually having a vote started to take effect.I doubt many people who have indicated "No" will actually get to the voting booth and think - you know what f#ck it - i'll vote Yes instead.
But - how many people who have said Yes/Maybe to a poll will actually brick it on the day.
I'm sure when they are actually in the booth with the pencil in their hand and their heart pounding - sense will prevail.
jshell said:
Y'know what? Whatever happens we'll just get on with it. Little will really change despite all the whining, whinging and hand-wringing. The sheer number of, and size of scare stories makes me cringe.
I've been a confirmed 'No' voter, but the vitriol and garbage spewed forth just makes me introduce some doubt into that.
If it goes independent then I'll see if its worth keeping the house there and returning. If it all goes to st then we all have choices to make...
I'm born in Wales, raised through my teens in Scotland, with English parents - so I like the union. But ultimately if Scotland wants to jump, let it - will it really be that bad for the rUK if Scotland is not part of the union? Could rUK even benefit from a loss of approx. 10% of the population? The way the Unionist parties are going today, ceeding powers, Westminster will be re-locating to Scotland!! Maybe the views of people in the rUK should be taken on board, pretty much all oh the folk I know across all areas of the UK are quite happy for Scotland to depart.I've been a confirmed 'No' voter, but the vitriol and garbage spewed forth just makes me introduce some doubt into that.
If it goes independent then I'll see if its worth keeping the house there and returning. If it all goes to s
t then we all have choices to make...The interesting part will be seeing if the government has the balls to stick to the no sharing of the pound rule agreed on!! Cleggs form isn't the best here......
If Scotland does jump, then ultimately the rUK will not see a huge difference as life carries on, we all keep working, both parties keep trading (rUK will be happy to sell the Shale gas about to be extracted to north of the border), and the love hate relationship will continue. It may even show the rUK that Scotlands socialist plans for a fairer society actually work (although this may lead to a risk of invasion from the US for being commie's.....
).Whatever happens, hopefully it will be quick - the whole think is just getting boring now. If Scotland does depart then good luck, and hopefully things won't go pear shaped.
In a world that's supposed to be breaking down barriers, I see it as quite an odd thing to be happening seeing one go back up.
If the consensus to be independent goes ahead, so be it. It's like being at work, some are part of the team, some aren't, usually, you're better off without the ones who don't want to be there anyway.
I won't be too sad to see them go, but feel it's a shame so many feel the way they do. I also never really like to see anyone fail, but fear it will.
If the consensus to be independent goes ahead, so be it. It's like being at work, some are part of the team, some aren't, usually, you're better off without the ones who don't want to be there anyway.
I won't be too sad to see them go, but feel it's a shame so many feel the way they do. I also never really like to see anyone fail, but fear it will.
Chainguy said:
McWigglebum4th said:
And this the house we stand to lose
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJYuQhD0tD4
I really don't want to end up living a dump of a flat in england
That's a truly beautiful home, all credit to you both. In iScotland, no doubt <tommysheridan> all property will be a (heavily taxed) theft though brother <tommysheridan> so prepare to pay again and again simply for the pleasure of living where you have worked to be.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJYuQhD0tD4
I really don't want to end up living a dump of a flat in england
Even if we hit a mortgage rate of 20% we can afford it if our jobs stay
I really don't want to leave this house
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