Scotland after the vote

[pcvdriver]

Art0ir said:

I was going to let you sink yourself with that one, but how much of the £600Bn is to pay off previous debts?

Edited by Art0ir on Friday 1st August 07:55

Sink myself? Don't think so..... What rate are we borrowing at? 1%?...something like that? Please feel free to correct me if you know differently. 2009 debt at £0.62tn x 1% interest per annum x 5 years = £3.1bn interest payments. Not had time to search for what our debt servicing payments are like each year. Anyway, if we'd been using the money we borrowed to pay off debts - that'd be like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

I'm no economist, but even I can see the folly of what you've just suggested.

[pcvdriver]

McWigglebum4th said:

EASY

135% of all MEPS will be scottish

including the welsh ones

I take it you're now in class clown/idiot mode from now until the 18th of next month then? :

[Sway]

arp1 said:

Oh ffs, toys back in the pram please...there must be an undeniable reason why they want to keep Scotland part of the union, and it can't be just because 'we love you' because clearly that is not the case. If we are sponging wasters then get shot of us and if we go bust then you can laugh and say 'we told you so' but if we make a success out if it, we can laugh and say 'we told you so' whilst you are wallowing in your self pity and privatised country ruined by the Tory party...

Food for thought?

As usual, clear failings in your logical reasoning...

Just because we point out that you cost more than you bring, doesn't mean we think you're all sponging wasters - the majority of rural UK costs more than it brings.

However, when we get told, repeatedly, that we've oppressed Scotland for centuries, and are scum, we take a dim view. So much so, that if you really wanted independence, the best way to get it would be a whole UK vote...

Main reasons why I want Scotland to stay?

Head - day after a yes vote there will be a run on 'Scottish' banks. Except they're not Scottish at that point, they're British - so Westminster/BoE will have to step in to protect everyone from the collapse. That will be very, very painful for everyone in the UK. Notwithstanding the immense costs separation will cost everyone.

Heart - I have worked, lived and loved in Scotland, it's one of my favourite places in Britain (however in my mind, not having been indoctrinated with Braveheart, it takes the form of a county in my mind, it's part of 'my' country, Britain/UK - like Wales and Yorkshire, full of easy piss taking). Everyone of my Scottish friends wish to stay part of the UK, and some are not in a position to move in the event of a yes. I'd hate to see them suffer due to such emotive, misguided and flawed arguments as those being spouted as gospel by fking retards.

I really don't think the average Yes voter has any clue about how little relevance Scotland (or many other parts of the UK) has to daily life for the vast majority, yet the impact of your choices will impact them every day for a significant amount of time, if you vote yes. In that instance, you can forget all the bks from the Salmond about close ties post indy - you'll be shunned for being so fking selfish.

[HenryJM]

pcvdriver said:

I'm no economist

We can tell. I know someone who thinks that if she gets £10 off buying one thing she's got £10 she can then spend without it costing her anything. You and her ought to meet, you are at the same level.

[Moonhawk]

arp1 said:

..there must be an undeniable reason why they want to keep Scotland part of the union, and it can't be just because 'we love you' because clearly that is not the case. If we are sponging wasters then get shot of us and if we go bust then you can laugh and say 'we told you so' but if we make a success out if it, we can laugh and say 'we told you so' whilst you are wallowing in your self pity and privatised country ruined by the Tory party...

Food for thought?

That's just nationalist ego boosting rhetoric - a comfort blanket in the eventuality of a no vote.

"rUK fought so hard to keep us......it must mean they were scared to loose us and need to continue to sponge off us because we pay more in tax blah blah........"

Nationalists really do have all the victim angles covered don't they.

[Moonhawk]

Sway said:

Main reasons why I want Scotland to stay?

Head - day after a yes vote there will be a run on 'Scottish' banks. Except they're not Scottish at that point, they're British - so Westminster/BoE will have to step in to protect everyone from the collapse. That will be very, very painful for everyone in the UK. Notwithstanding the immense costs separation will cost everyone.

Heart - I have worked, lived and loved in Scotland, it's one of my favourite places in Britain (however in my mind, not having been indoctrinated with Braveheart, it takes the form of a county in my mind, it's part of 'my' country, Britain/UK - like Wales and Yorkshire, full of easy piss taking). Everyone of my Scottish friends wish to stay part of the UK, and some are not in a position to move in the event of a yes. I'd hate to see them suffer due to such emotive, misguided and flawed arguments as those being spouted as gospel by fking retards.

Yep - exactly this. Plus I would also add:

Head - Reduced economies of scale and complications in cross border trading will likely make things more expensive for all of us.

Heart - Some of us have Scottish Ancestry as well as ancestry from other parts of the UK. Although I live in and was born in England - to say I am English above all else would be making an arbitrary distinction. My country of origin is the UK - why would I want to see my country split up.

[Axionknight]

Yeah they do, apart from the breakup of the union looking on bad politically it will also cause vast ramifications with regards to the "Scottish" banks, which Britain bailed out. Truthfully though, the vast majority of folk I speak to back home (West Yorkshire) don't really care what Scotland does and those that do, after seeing all the cyber nat anti English, butchers apron, beaten partner racism wish 'em all the best and hope for a yes vote.

They see Scotland as inconsequential to the future of rUK and I place he blame squarely at the aforementioned anti English brigades feet.

[pcvdriver]

HenryJM said:

pcvdriver said:

I'm no economist

We can tell. I know someone who thinks that if she gets £10 off buying one thing she's got £10 she can then spend without it costing her anything. You and her ought to meet, you are at the same level.

I thought you may go for the ad-hom, instead of trying to dispute the figures - seeing as that's all you've got. I think you'll have to agree that my figures stack up, if not take me to task on them....

[pcvdriver]

Axionknight said:

Yeah they do, apart from the breakup of the union looking on bad politically it will also cause vast ramifications with regards to the "Scottish" banks, which Britain bailed out. Truthfully though, the vast majority of folk I speak to back home (West Yorkshire) don't really care what Scotland does and those that do, after seeing all the cyber nat anti English, butchers apron, beaten partner racism wish 'em all the best and hope for a yes vote.

They see Scotland as inconsequential to the future of rUK and I place he blame squarely at the aforementioned anti English brigades feet.

Let's look at where RBS and BoS main markets were pre-crash, I'll give you a clue - they weren't in Scotland, were they? Biggest losses came from the States, which is why the Fed Reserve stumped up roughly half of the bail out cash. IIRC, even the Dutch and Belgian governments stumped up cash too, in order to service their ABN Amro liabilities, another sizable chunk came from debts run up in rUK. Both banks are essentially nominally Scottish in name only, due to the world wide nature of banking these days anyway.

[arp1]

Just remember there were 'english' banks bailed out too, so don't give me that pish...

Head and heart nonsense, oh we love you, don't leave us - pish...

Ego boosting nonsense

[HenryJM]

pcvdriver said:

HenryJM said:

pcvdriver said:

I'm no economist

We can tell. I know someone who thinks that if she gets £10 off buying one thing she's got £10 she can then spend without it costing her anything. You and her ought to meet, you are at the same level.

I thought you may go for the ad-hom, instead of trying to dispute the figures - seeing as that's all you've got. I think you'll have to agree that my figures stack up, if not take me to task on them....

This stuff has been gone through so many times that I really can't see the point in doing it again. You have a track record of spouting nonsense with no ability to reason or debate - incidentally why are you posting here and not in the main thread on independence?

At the end of the day you are the one who would suffer come a Yes vote, at least I assume you are in Scotland. If you really can't understand the economic impact of what you are advocating at least it will be the likes of you and not me who will suffer the consequences - which would be huge. I feel for those in Scotland who do understand, but I guess the mass exodus predicted if there is a Yes vote would bring them some route forwards.

[Moonhawk]

arp1 said:

Just remember there were 'english' banks bailed out too, so don't give me that pish...

Head and heart nonsense, oh we love you, don't leave us - pish...

Ego boosting nonsense

Would you like salt and vinegar on your pish and chips?

[pcvdriver]

The No side will try insist that it was the magnanimous generosity of Westminster which saved us from Oblivion, when in fact the US, the Netherlands, and Belgium stumped up the majority of the cash for the bail out. We should be tugging out forelocks for the next 300 years whilst crawling over broken glass which has been doused in petrol and set alight.

[Moonhawk]

pcvdriver said:

The No side will try insist that it was the magnanimous generosity of Westminster which saved us from Oblivion......

Will they........?

I think most people are only too aware that Westminster doesn't have cash of its own to be generous with. All the money that goes via Westminster ultimately comes from sources external to Westminster (tax, borrowing etc).

[HenryJM]

pcvdriver said:

The No side will try insist that it was the magnanimous generosity of Westminster which saved us from Oblivion, when in fact the US, the Netherlands, and Belgium stumped up the majority of the cash for the bail out. We should be tugging out forelocks for the next 300 years whilst crawling over broken glass which has been doused in petrol and set alight.

Good old Belgians, you can always rely on them, propping up the UK as they do.

[pcvdriver]

HenryJM said:

This stuff has been gone through so many times that I really can't see the point in doing it again. You have a track record of spouting nonsense with no ability to reason or debate - incidentally why are you posting here and not in the main thread on independence?

At the end of the day you are the one who would suffer come a Yes vote, at least I assume you are in Scotland. If you really can't understand the economic impact of what you are advocating at least it will be the likes of you and not me who will suffer the consequences - which would be huge. I feel for those in Scotland who do understand, but I guess the mass exodus predicted if there is a Yes vote would bring them some route forwards.

I have a track record of posting views which are diametrically opposed to most on here - I always try have my source readily available - funnily enough, no-one seems to try take me to task on the figures I provide - it's just straight into ad-hom mode.
I'm no longer on the main thread due to some ahole taking umbrage to me for simply turning the tables on them.
They tried to wind me up about Fat Wee Eck, which was like water off a duck's back to me, since I wouldn't say that I'm even an SNP supporter (although they did get my vote last time round) but when I took the piss out of their precious UKIP - they moaned like fk to the mods and asked them to ban me.

BY THE WAY IF THE PERSON WHO ASKED FOR ME TO BE BANNED WOULD LIKE ME TO REJOIN THE MAIN DEBATE - THEN JUST ASK THE MODS TO SORT IT...... I MIGHT EVEN PROMISE NOT TO TAKE THE PISS OUT OF UKIP)

[pcvdriver]

HenryJM said:

pcvdriver said:

The No side will try insist that it was the magnanimous generosity of Westminster which saved us from Oblivion, when in fact the US, the Netherlands, and Belgium stumped up the majority of the cash for the bail out. We should be tugging out forelocks for the next 300 years whilst crawling over broken glass which has been doused in petrol and set alight.

Good old Belgians, you can always rely on them, propping up the UK as they do.

Surely you're not trying to say that they didn't are you?

[McWigglebum4th]

pcvdriver said:

The No side will try insist that it was the magnanimous generosity of Westminster which saved us from Oblivion, when in fact the US, the Netherlands, and Belgium stumped up the majority of the cash for the bail out. We should be tugging out forelocks for the next 300 years whilst crawling over broken glass which has been doused in petrol and set alight.

Nat = We must leave the UK immediately as Westminster HATES scotland and they will do anything they can to hurt and punish Scotland as wastemonster is stuffed to the gills with tory toff aholes who HATE us. They all HATE us we must escape the oppression from these thatcher loving bdS. they will stop at nothing to destroy Scotland

No voter = What about our pound?

Nat = Oh westminster LOVE us and will give us a currency union we want as they will stop at nothing to help scotland

No voter = So we don’t need to leave the union then?


Nat = We must leave the UK immediately as Westminster HATES scotland and they will do anything they can to hurt and punish Scotland as wastemonster is stuffed to the gills with tory toff aholes who HATE us. They all HATE us we must escape the oppression from these thatcher loving bdS. they will stop at nothing to destroy Scotland

No voter = What about our EU membership?

Nat = Oh westminster LOVE us and will do everything to get us into the EU as they will stop at nothing to help scotland

No voter = So we don’t need to leave the union then?


Nat = We must leave the UK immediately as Westminster HATES scotland and they will do anything they can to hurt and punish Scotland as wastemonster is stuffed to the gills with tory toff aholes who HATE us. They all HATE us we must escape the oppression from these thatcher loving bdS. they will stop at nothing to destroy Scotland.

No voter = What about our ship building?

Nat = Oh westminster LOVE us and will break EU laws and give us the shipbuilding contracts as they will stop at nothing to help scotland

No voter = So we don’t need to leave the union then?


Nat = We must leave the UK immediately as Westminster HATES scotland and they will do anything they can to hurt and punish Scotland as wastemonster is stuffed to the gills with tory toff aholes who HATE us. They all HATE us we must escape the oppression from these thatcher loving bdS. they will stop at nothing to destroy Scotland.

No voter = What about our our common border will that be closed?

Nat = Oh westminster LOVE us and will do everything to keep the border open as they will stop at nothing to help scotland

No voter = So we don’t need to leave the union then?


Nat = We must leave the UK immediately as Westminster HATES scotland and they will do anything they can to hurt and punish Scotland as wastemonster is stuffed to the gills with tory toff aholes who HATE us. They all HATE us we must escape the oppression from these thatcher loving bdS. they will stop at nothing to destroy Scotland.

No voter = What about our the green subsidy coming into our wind turbines from england?

Nat = Oh westminster LOVE us and will do everything to allow us to keep the green subsidy as they will stop at nothing to help scotland

No voter = So we don’t need to leave the union then?

Nat = We must leave the UK immediately as Westminster HATES scotland and they will do anything they can to hurt and punish Scotland as wastemonster is stuffed to the gills with tory toff aholes who HATE us. They all HATE us we must escape the oppression from these thatcher loving bdS. they will stop at nothing to destroy Scotland.

[Moonhawk]

pcvdriver said:

I have a track record of posting views which are diametrically opposed to most on here - I always try have my source readily available - funnily enough, no-one seems to try take me to task on the figures I provide - it's just straight into ad-hom mode.

Erm - the first post immediately after you posted your graph a few pages back did exactly that.......

[pcvdriver]

McWigglebum4th said:

Nat = We must leave the UK immediately as Westminster HATES scotland and they will do anything they can to hurt and punish Scotland as wastemonster is stuffed to the gills with tory toff aholes who HATE us. They all HATE us we must escape the oppression from these thatcher loving bdS. they will stop at nothing to destroy Scotland

No voter = What about our pound?

Nat = Oh westminster LOVE us and will give us a currency union we want as they will stop at nothing to help scotland

No voter = So we don’t need to leave the union then?


Nat = We must leave the UK immediately as Westminster HATES scotland and they will do anything they can to hurt and punish Scotland as wastemonster is stuffed to the gills with tory toff aholes who HATE us. They all HATE us we must escape the oppression from these thatcher loving bdS. they will stop at nothing to destroy Scotland

No voter = What about our EU membership?

Nat = Oh westminster LOVE us and will do everything to get us into the EU as they will stop at nothing to help scotland

No voter = So we don’t need to leave the union then?


Nat = We must leave the UK immediately as Westminster HATES scotland and they will do anything they can to hurt and punish Scotland as wastemonster is stuffed to the gills with tory toff aholes who HATE us. They all HATE us we must escape the oppression from these thatcher loving bdS. they will stop at nothing to destroy Scotland.

No voter = What about our ship building?

Nat = Oh westminster LOVE us and will break EU laws and give us the shipbuilding contracts as they will stop at nothing to help scotland

No voter = So we don’t need to leave the union then?


Nat = We must leave the UK immediately as Westminster HATES scotland and they will do anything they can to hurt and punish Scotland as wastemonster is stuffed to the gills with tory toff aholes who HATE us. They all HATE us we must escape the oppression from these thatcher loving bdS. they will stop at nothing to destroy Scotland.

No voter = What about our our common border will that be closed?

Nat = Oh westminster LOVE us and will do everything to keep the border open as they will stop at nothing to help scotland

No voter = So we don’t need to leave the union then?


Nat = We must leave the UK immediately as Westminster HATES scotland and they will do anything they can to hurt and punish Scotland as wastemonster is stuffed to the gills with tory toff aholes who HATE us. They all HATE us we must escape the oppression from these thatcher loving bdS. they will stop at nothing to destroy Scotland.

No voter = What about our the green subsidy coming into our wind turbines from england?

Nat = Oh westminster LOVE us and will do everything to allow us to keep the green subsidy as they will stop at nothing to help scotland

No voter = So we don’t need to leave the union then?

Nat = We must leave the UK immediately as Westminster HATES scotland and they will do anything they can to hurt and punish Scotland as wastemonster is stuffed to the gills with tory toff aholes who HATE us. They all HATE us we must escape the oppression from these thatcher loving bdS. they will stop at nothing to destroy Scotland.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO DISRUPT THE CLASS, THEN GO STAND IN THE CORNER A FACE THE WALL......