Scotland after the vote
Discussion
pcvdriver said:
OK then Rollin, let me scrawl Rollin in a Terr'rist over your passport and see how well you get on when you arrive at JFK, O'Hare, Dulles or whereever in the States.....
I'm sure thay'll see the funny side - NOT!!!
Why has no MEP from the SNP stood up in the Eu parliament and asked about scotland future in the Eu after we vote to leave the UK I'm sure thay'll see the funny side - NOT!!!WHY
Are they not allowed to?
confused_buyer said:
Because if we don't get what we want in negotiations over seperation we want to be able to veto your application for the next 150 years.
It is good hold: "Trident stays 'till 2050 or veto". Pragmatism at work.
Trident stays until 2050?.... You mean you're all in favour of scrapping its replacement?... Good man!! Well said.... At least one no voter seems to have some sense.It is good hold: "Trident stays 'till 2050 or veto". Pragmatism at work.
barryrs said:
pcvdriver said:
The point is is took Labour 13 years to amass the debt they did and the coalition 4 years to double it - while heaping derision on them for creating the debt. I calculated the interest payments over the page, which no-one seems to think unreasonable, or they'd have jumped straight down my throat to show me the error of my ways....
The question has to be asked what the flying Eff have they done with all that money?
Good grief!The question has to be asked what the flying Eff have they done with all that money?
The coalition inherited a national debt of circa £410 billion and a deficit of £160 billion.
Now common sense should tell you that if you are spending considerably more than you earn your debt will increase, no?
To reduce government spending by £160 billion over night would have crippled the country.
Over 4 years the coalition has managed to reduce this to circa £70 billion but in the mean time national debt has risen for many reasons which we should all be well aware of by now.
te in that case....pcvdriver said:
I seem to remember Danny Alexander saying he was looking to cut the deficit by about £200bn, or more per year, until we were back in the black, and that he was on course with his aims - I'd suggest more than just a little strongly that him and the Government are full of ste in that case....
Very interesting BUTte in that case....Why has no MEP from the SNP stood up in the Eu parliament and asked about scotland future in the Eu after we vote to leave the UK
WHY
Are they not allowed to?
andymadmak said:
PCVDriver - do you understand the difference between the debt and the deficit? This is a genuine question.
Yes, indeed I do.... Debt is amount already owed. Deficit is the amount we run short by each year.... My comments about our finances were made in light of the ginger weasel's public statement about the very same. That means he's turned out to be either totally incompetent, or a lying
!!! I simply, with good grace took him at his word - more fool me.McWigglebum4th said:
Very interesting BUT
Why has no MEP from the SNP stood up in the Eu parliament and asked about scotland future in the Eu after we vote to leave the UK
WHY
Are they not allowed to?
At a guess, I'd say it's because their authority to ask such questions, is superseded by Westminster, as Foreign Policy is not one of the topics which was devolved to Holyrood.Why has no MEP from the SNP stood up in the Eu parliament and asked about scotland future in the Eu after we vote to leave the UK
WHY
Are they not allowed to?
pcvdriver said:
Yes, indeed I do.... Debt is amount already owed. Deficit is the amount we run short by each year....
My comments about our finances were made in light of the ginger weasel's public statement about the very same. That means he's turned out to be either totally incompetent, or a lying!!! I simply, with good grace took him at his word - more fool me.
And you have any evidence that he said what you ascribe to him, do you?My comments about our finances were made in light of the ginger weasel's public statement about the very same. That means he's turned out to be either totally incompetent, or a lying
!!! I simply, with good grace took him at his word - more fool me.pcvdriver said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Very interesting BUT
Why has no MEP from the SNP stood up in the Eu parliament and asked about scotland future in the Eu after we vote to leave the UK
WHY
Are they not allowed to?
At a guess, I'd say it's because their authority to ask such questions, is superseded by Westminster, as Foreign Policy is not one of the topics which was devolved to Holyrood.Why has no MEP from the SNP stood up in the Eu parliament and asked about scotland future in the Eu after we vote to leave the UK
WHY
Are they not allowed to?
That is a reasonable answer
Oh wait
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g1pyyLJskg
pcvdriver said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Very interesting BUT
Why has no MEP from the SNP stood up in the Eu parliament and asked about scotland future in the Eu after we vote to leave the UK
WHY
Are they not allowed to?
At a guess, I'd say it's because their authority to ask such questions, is superseded by Westminster, as Foreign Policy is not one of the topics which was devolved to Holyrood.Why has no MEP from the SNP stood up in the Eu parliament and asked about scotland future in the Eu after we vote to leave the UK
WHY
Are they not allowed to?
So, you'd think that seeing as it would be in their interest to have this answered prior to the referendum (to stop the scaremongering and bluster), that they'd have taken the thirty seconds to ask the question in one of the hundreds of opportunities they've had since the campaign began.
Not like it's a recent issue is it?
Of course rather than a guess about why, perhaps the official requests and responses answer things quite clearly enough?
HenryJM said:
pcvdriver said:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/sep/19/da...
Yes, indeed I do.... Debt is amount already owed. Deficit is the amount we run short by each year....
My comments about our finances were made in light of the ginger weasel's public statement about the very same. That means he's turned out to be either totally incompetent, or a lying!!! I simply, with good grace took him at his word - more fool me.
And you have any evidence that he said what you ascribe to him, do you?Yes, indeed I do.... Debt is amount already owed. Deficit is the amount we run short by each year....
My comments about our finances were made in light of the ginger weasel's public statement about the very same. That means he's turned out to be either totally incompetent, or a lying
!!! I simply, with good grace took him at his word - more fool me.http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/sep/19/da...
There were more......but they seem to have slipped down the google rankings....and I can't be arsed to look for them just now.
HenryJM said:
pcvdriver said:
Trident stays until 2050?.... You mean you're all in favour of scrapping its replacement?... Good man!! Well said.... At least one no voter seems to have some sense.
The replacement for the current Trident is called.....Trident.pcvdriver said:
HenryJM said:
pcvdriver said:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/sep/19/da...
Yes, indeed I do.... Debt is amount already owed. Deficit is the amount we run short by each year....
My comments about our finances were made in light of the ginger weasel's public statement about the very same. That means he's turned out to be either totally incompetent, or a lying!!! I simply, with good grace took him at his word - more fool me.
And you have any evidence that he said what you ascribe to him, do you?Yes, indeed I do.... Debt is amount already owed. Deficit is the amount we run short by each year....
My comments about our finances were made in light of the ginger weasel's public statement about the very same. That means he's turned out to be either totally incompetent, or a lying
!!! I simply, with good grace took him at his word - more fool me.http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/sep/19/da...
There were more......but they seem to have slipped down the google rankings....and I can't be arsed to look for them just now.
HenryJM said:
But that's about what they want to try and achieve in the 2015/16 tax year. How can you criticise him for something that hasn't been due to happen yet?
Henry, I seem to remember the Tories and LibDems coming out with "look we'll ALL need to tighten our belts - Things won't be done overnight, but by the time we approach the next election. we plan to be back in the black. Well then, the GE is a year away and still we have a huge deficit and mountain of debt!!!! FFS - He's either been lying or simply incompetent. I'll be generous and let you choose which one he is (by the way that goes for his boss Gideot too).pcvdriver said:
Henry, I seem to remember the Tories and LibDems coming out with "look we'll ALL need to tighten our belts - Things won't be done overnight, but by the time we approach the next election. we plan to be back in the black. Well then, the GE is a year away and still we have a huge deficit and mountain of debt!!!! FFS - He's either been lying or simply incompetent. I'll be generous and let you choose which one he is (by the way that goes for his boss Gideot too).
So are you saying that we should have had massive cuts in public spending?The problem is that when a country goes into recession it should be able to start running a public sector deficit with increased spending due to greater benefit payments but also enhanced spending to get the economy moving again. The problem this time round was that you have both a recession and a pre-set deficit from historic poor spending decisions. So you have a double whammy of pre-existing deficit mixed with recession.
So the obvious path of cutting the deficit can only be done at the cost of deepening the recession. The result was to control spending but not slash it, to stimulate liquidity in the economy through QE which has had the side effect of around £370bn of UK debt now being owed to the Bank Of England. Growth is now strong, estimate by the IMF at 2.4% and increasing.
So the problem in criticising what has happened is that firstly it has done what the opposition said it wouldn't, but also the alternatives being put forward were about increasing public spending, not cutting it. Look at what the SNP and Labour say and it's all about spending more, taking on more debt, not cutting it.
HenryJM said:
pcvdriver said:
Henry, I seem to remember the Tories and LibDems coming out with "look we'll ALL need to tighten our belts - Things won't be done overnight, but by the time we approach the next election. we plan to be back in the black. Well then, the GE is a year away and still we have a huge deficit and mountain of debt!!!! FFS - He's either been lying or simply incompetent. I'll be generous and let you choose which one he is (by the way that goes for his boss Gideot too).
So are you saying that we should have had massive cuts in public spending?The problem is that when a country goes into recession it should be able to start running a public sector deficit with increased spending due to greater benefit payments but also enhanced spending to get the economy moving again. The problem this time round was that you have both a recession and a pre-set deficit from historic poor spending decisions. So you have a double whammy of pre-existing deficit mixed with recession.
So the obvious path of cutting the deficit can only be done at the cost of deepening the recession.
The result was to control spending but not slash it, to stimulate liquidity in the economy through QE which has had the side effect of around £370bn of UK debt now being owed to the Bank Of England. Growth is now strong, estimate by the IMF at 2.4% and increasing. So the problem in criticising what has happened is that firstly it has done what the opposition said it wouldn't, but also the alternatives being put forward were about increasing public spending, not cutting it. Look at what the SNP and Labour say and it's all about spending more, taking on more debt, not cutting it.
kING WELL NOT!!!! Our debt mountain is double of what it was. Either he's totally incompetent, or a lying , now which one is it?Edited by pcvdriver on Saturday 2nd August 18:34
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