Scotland after the vote

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Kermit power

28,634 posts

212 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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andymadmak said:
Scotland after the vote?

Well, one of three outcomes is possible:

1. Scotland votes to exit the Union.
This scenario would represent a real opportunity for rUK. LOTS of public sector jobs (tax office etc) returning to rUK - most likely to Northern England, Wales or NI. Ship building returning to the south coast of England, (bye bye RN shipbuilding on the Clyde) Lower energy bills for rUK as those heavily subsidised Scottish wind farms no longer form part of our energy plan. Lower costs for rUK for services of a Universal provision type (Royal mail, some healthcare etc) as we will no longer have to pay the inherent subsidy for the highlands and islands. And perhaps the biggest bonus of all, no more having to be verbally abused by Scottish people who think that Braveheart is a documentary and that the sort of racist sectarian violent behaviour frequently directed at rUK (mostly English it has to be said) is in any way acceptable or justifiable. Mind you, I suspect the abuse will continue, it's just that we will no longer have to listen to it!
Scotland of course will be saddled with no currency, massive loss of jobs and investment, no membership of EU, Nato or any other International body of note. It will have an ageing population, and if the SNP/Socialists in waiting are to fulfil their promises to an already benefits addicted society then you can expect to see skills and capital flight on a grand scale as the knowledge and the cash rushes to abandon what will inevitably become a high tax economy.

2. Scotland votes No to the exit, but only narrowly
The worst possible scenario for all. We will have to listen to the ceaseless whining until the next vote. Everything bad will of course be Westminsters fault, everything good will be down to Holyrood. The unfairness of funding (barnett) will continue to blight rUK. rUK citizens will continue to be abused and intimidated by Nats.
Scotland will still lose the inward investment (who in their right minds would invest, knowing that in all likelihood within 20 years it could all got to rat poo. I would expect rUK Government to set up medium term plans to bring key skills and jobs back to rUK regions. Scotland will have set in train a slow process of self evisceration.

3. Scotland votes overwhelmingly NO. (i.e., at least 75/25)
A milder version of option 2. Yes, really. So much ill feeling and bad will has been stirred up in this process that this is now inevitable. A large chunk of Scottish society has made its feelings known, and those feelings are both toxic and ugly. McWigglebum is quite correct in his analysis. Sectarianism and violence will emerge more strongly than ever.
No doubt, everyone will try to pretend otherwise, but the genie is out of the bottle. Does anyone remember that old story about the bloke who got set up by his friends so that he believed he had won the lottery? (they taped the previous weeks show, and played it at the pub they were drinking in, then substituted a new lottery ticket with the previous weeks numbers on in his pocket. ) As the "program" was being "broadcast" our victim kept very quiet whilst nervously ticking off his numbers. As the final number came up, and he thought he had won 20 million quid, instead of standing up and celebrating, our victim instead stood up and told all his mates, plus his wife EXACTLY what he REALLY thought of them, in the most ungracious of terms.... His life was never the same again.
The difference between the above and Scotland? His mates/wife eventually forgave him....
You missed the best possible outcome!!!

1a. Scotland votes to exit the Union and the rUK government takes the opportunity on offer to not bring public sector jobs back to rUK.

Any essential public sector jobs which no longer exist within rUK would be filled by retraining of existing rUK public sector workers, not by hiring new public sector workers.

In one single blow, we cut a vast amount of our public sector bloat, and incur no redundancy costs or strike action in the process.

What's not to like?

Thorodin

2,459 posts

132 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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An elegant, if slightly nose-thumbing, solution. Typically English?

Foppo

2,344 posts

123 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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You might as well let Northen Ireland go.Cost the U.K. taxpayer plenty of money and for what in return.?It will happen one united Ireland only takes time.

I think the poorer Scots will vote for independence no relation what so ever with West Minster.Most of the business Scots wil want to stay in the Union.Just my take on it.

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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Surely all of Scotland will rally round after the vote, whatever the outcome, and get on with living life in the most productive way possible.

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arp1

583 posts

126 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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We will be true and proud Scottish folk and do what we always do, and the little englanders will bleat and moan as per usual and as per this thread... No wonder there is an underlying yes opinion in Scotland

andymadmak

14,482 posts

269 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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arp1 said:
We will be true and proud Scottish folk and do what we always do, and the little englanders will bleat and moan as per usual and as per this thread... No wonder there is an underlying yes opinion in Scotland
Actually, no wonder there is a large and growing yes opinion in rUK. Little englanders? Carry on with the abuse, and see where it gets you after the vote sunshine. Bleat and moan? You will be. You have no idea just how much anti Scottish feeling has been stirred up in rUK as a result of the way the Nats have gone about this vote. But you will find out.
Please vote yes and go away!

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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arp1 said:
We will be true and proud Scottish folk and do what we always do, and the little englanders will bleat and moan as per usual and as per this thread... No wonder there is an underlying yes opinion in Scotland
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arp1

583 posts

126 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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andymadmak said:
arp1 said:
We will be true and proud Scottish folk and do what we always do, and the little englanders will bleat and moan as per usual and as per this thread... No wonder there is an underlying yes opinion in Scotland
Actually, no wonder there is a large and growing yes opinion in rUK. Little englanders? Carry on with the abuse, and see where it gets you after the vote sunshine. Bleat and moan? You will be. You have no idea just how much anti Scottish feeling has been stirred up in rUK as a result of the way the Nats have gone about this vote. But you will find out.
Please vote yes and go away!
If only there was a smilie with a fish, hook and rod wink

arp1

583 posts

126 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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andymadmak said:
arp1 said:
We will be true and proud Scottish folk and do what we always do, and the little englanders will bleat and moan as per usual and as per this thread... No wonder there is an underlying yes opinion in Scotland
Actually, no wonder there is a large and growing yes opinion in rUK. Little englanders? Carry on with the abuse, and see where it gets you after the vote sunshine. Bleat and moan? You will be. You have no idea just how much anti Scottish feeling has been stirred up in rUK as a result of the way the Nats have gone about this vote. But you will find out.
Please vote yes and go away!
And carry on with the abuse? The anti scottish abuse on here is ridiculous so don't even start laddie wink

andymadmak

14,482 posts

269 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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arp1 said:
And carry on with the abuse? The anti scottish abuse on here is ridiculous so don't even start laddie wink
Keep it up. Yes, really, just keep it up. The yes vote cannot come soon enough for a growing number of us folk in rUk.
There comes a time when you reap what you sow, the trouble is that folk like you and the SNP have no clue as to the bitter harvest that awaits you now. Win or lose you have damaged Scotland for generations.
But of course you don't see it that way. Any comment on Mr Junkers view on Scotlands rapid accession to the EU? How about a currency? Funding your deficit? Oh, what about defence jobs, shipbuilding, nato, the cost of setting up your new country?
That you guys expect to be able to say and do what you like on the one hand, whilst on the other you expect rUK to be yer best pal and grant you all sorts of boons and preferential treatment after independance says alot about the levels of cognitive disonance within the yes campaign.

Hook and reel? Not fussed matey. Just want the whole thing over with and you guys gone. I feel sorry for the good guys, but enough is enough.

arp1

583 posts

126 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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As you well know, Britain is broken so it's time we go it alone. Many other nations in a much less prosperous position have done it and made it work so there is no reason why we can't. There must be a reason why you all want us to stay with you, and I wonder why... See Scotland as a cash cow! (Waits for the barrage of anti-scottish abuse about being spongers etc)

imagineifyeswill

1,223 posts

165 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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I have tried to stay out of this discussions on independence so far, I live in the highlands, the largest region in Scotland by area but with only a population of 250,000 and over the years has elected MPs of all parties and certainly not predominently labour, but as the main population of Scotland is centred in the industrialised west central Scotland what the rest of the country votes is ussually pretty meaningless but in this referendum its important that everyone votes to get a true picture of what the country as a whole wants, I think it will be found there are a lot less Yes voters than Alex Salmond likes to believe.

andymadmak

14,482 posts

269 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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Not sure how you think Scotland can be a cash cow, given you already spend more than you earn ( as does the rest of the UK)

Anyways, 20 odd posts, and you appear just a the last Nat got banned for his latest sectarian abuse episode. Is this you VP?


eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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arp1 said:
As you well know, Britain is broken so it's time we go it alone. Many other nations in a much less prosperous position have done it and made it work so there is no reason why we can't. There must be a reason why you all want us to stay with you, and I wonder why... See Scotland as a cash cow! (Waits for the barrage of anti-scottish abuse about being spongers etc)
You've convinced me. I really hope you do go, and the sooner the better.

arp1

583 posts

126 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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andymadmak said:
Not sure how you think Scotland can be a cash cow, given you already spend more than you earn ( as does the rest of the UK)

Anyways, 20 odd posts, and you appear just a the last Nat got banned for his latest sectarian abuse episode. Is this you VP?
How have I been sectarian? All I have seen is racist and general abuse to the people of Scotland.
As for the Alex Salmond debate, it's not a vote for him and his ideals but for an independent nation, you can vote for who you want in the next general election of Scotland.

Why does rUK want Scotland if we are such an imposition to the uk? Answer that please.

Bias media, lies and spin, having to pay for projects that don't benefit us as a nation, and as for there being a 'love in' for Scotland from rUK, who are you kidding, as from what I have seen on this thread, there is nothing but vile abuse and resentment.

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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arp1 said:
As you well know, Britain is broken so it's time we go it alone. Many other nations in a much less prosperous position have done it and made it work so there is no reason why we can't. There must be a reason why you all want us to stay with you, and I wonder why... See Scotland as a cash cow! (Waits for the barrage of anti-scottish abuse about being spongers etc)
Why don't you pop across to the Scottish Independence/Referendum thread and discuss this?

You might even learn some of the reasons why we don't want to leave the United Kingdom, which is undisputably one of the most successful multinational enterprises of all time smile

Neonblau

875 posts

132 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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arp1 said:
How have I been sectarian? All I have seen is racist and general abuse to the people of Scotland.
As for the Alex Salmond debate, it's not a vote for him and his ideals but for an independent nation, you can vote for who you want in the next general election of Scotland.

Why does rUK want Scotland if we are such an imposition to the uk? Answer that please.

Bias media, lies and spin, having to pay for projects that don't benefit us as a nation, and as for there being a 'love in' for Scotland from rUK, who are you kidding, as from what I have seen on this thread, there is nothing but vile abuse and resentment.
So what what currency do you think we'll be using?

Who'll be our LOLR?

How do you think the EU membership will work out?

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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Neonblau said:
So what what currency do you think we'll be using?

Who'll be our LOLR?

How do you think the EU membership will work out?
I fear those issues exist in a parallel universe to our fellow PHer.

arp1

583 posts

126 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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No point in going over old ground as you know it will just be a screaming match ( my dicks bigger than your dick blah blah blah)... It's all up in the air and open to conjecture anyway so don't fret just vote as you will smile

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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arp1 said:
No point in going over old ground as you know it will just be a screaming match ( my dicks bigger than your dick blah blah blah)... It's all up in the air and open to conjecture anyway so don't fret just vote as you will smile
Sorry I wasn't aware that you have had a discussion with us on the main thread confused

Anyway, you're half right. It's a shame that so many of the Yes voters like yourself seem to have given up with their campaigning so soon hehe

If there's a yes vote, it's all up in the air. Utter chaos. A Pandora's box of "what if...?" because of the SNP's inability to plan for the real world, such as what currency we'll be using, how much the business of separation will cost and the knock-on effects to UK business in facing major divisional reorganisation.

All that stuff the yes voters don't think about, you know?