Scotland after the vote
Discussion
Walford said:
The mess we are in now cant continue after the vote, them coming to England voting on agriculture, education, environment, health, local government and justice, is all a bit silly, we don't go up to Scotland and vote on these issues
If Scotland votes to become independent, then from the 19th of September, until Independence is declared, Scotland is still a part of the UK and it's MPs are entitled to sit and vote in the House of Commons. xjsdriver said:
If Scotland votes to become independent, then from the 19th of September, until Independence is declared, Scotland is still a part of the UK and it's MPs are entitled to sit and vote in the House of Commons.
Stick your cash on it not happening.Some dude has already stuck £400,000. on it.
As much as you southerners like to think, we ain't all bone idle f
kwits up here.Please remember we invented most of the items that propelled society into the advanced stage we are now.
Salmond is a Blowhard. Talks a very good game but, bottom line is that he is a socialist money tree believer.
Dougie. UKIP voter.
I believe that Scotland has started down a path filled with hatred and blame along with a rise in sectarian violence, we have already seen a moron going down secterian lines in the main indpendence thread and hope that scumbag has been banned for good from this site.
We already have morons calling for all NO voters to be hung from lampposts as well as idiots calling for an armed up rising
I also belive that less and less government contracts will be heading to Scotland.
I think this has badly hurt scotlands future
I hope i am wrong.
We already have morons calling for all NO voters to be hung from lampposts as well as idiots calling for an armed up rising
I also belive that less and less government contracts will be heading to Scotland.
I think this has badly hurt scotlands future
I hope i am wrong.
Dog Star said:
My family are Scottish (although I was born in Lancs) but on a visit to see relatives a couple of weeks ago they were saying that in any form of town meetings that there's a lot of intimidation going on of "no" voters; including for example all their cars getting vandalised.
I've heard the same from friends who go home to Scotland during the rugby off-season, quite concerning 
Invariably this thread is going to get locked or merged with the big one, which I find opaque.
What I find odd is that apparently - if Scotland does get its independence - the sitting Scottish MPs at Westminster will keep their jobs for the time being.
If anyone can work that out, I'd love to be enlightened.
What I find odd is that apparently - if Scotland does get its independence - the sitting Scottish MPs at Westminster will keep their jobs for the time being.
If anyone can work that out, I'd love to be enlightened.
mpire said:
Jeesus ... yet another Scottish referendum thread. Just what we need
after 5 volumes of " what if's " and anti Jock spin , on the other one ...
all about something that is never going to happen anyway, because not
enough of us are going to VOTE for it.
I know that it won't happenafter 5 volumes of " what if's " and anti Jock spin , on the other one ...
all about something that is never going to happen anyway, because not
enough of us are going to VOTE for it.
What damage will be done after a NO vote
xjsdriver said:
Walford said:
The mess we are in now cant continue after the vote, them coming to England voting on agriculture, education, environment, health, local government and justice, is all a bit silly, we don't go up to Scotland and vote on these issues
If Scotland votes to become independent, then from the 19th of September, until Independence is declared, Scotland is still a part of the UK and it's MPs are entitled to sit and vote in the House of Commons. xjsdriver said:
Walford said:
The mess we are in now cant continue after the vote, them coming to England voting on agriculture, education, environment, health, local government and justice, is all a bit silly, we don't go up to Scotland and vote on these issues
If Scotland votes to become independent, then from the 19th of September, until Independence is declared, Scotland is still a part of the UK and it's MPs are entitled to sit and vote in the House of Commons. The day after the Scottish vote, there should be a second referendum by us, The Hated English, on whether or not we still want anything to do with the whinging, bleating victims north of the border.
Then, when the result comes in and it's proven that we've had enough of them, we can build a 100 foot high brick wall across from coast to coast, keeping Edinburgh for ourselves but leaving the Jocks with Glasgae, take the Pound off them, give them each a field north of the new border and a handshake, 100 groats, and a collie dog and told to go, "get tae fk", and never darken our doorstep again and see how great FREEEEEEEDOM is then. Anyone who voted "No" in the original referendum can come south to the United Kingdom with no restrictions nand be welcomed with open arms, and leave the intelligible, drunken, workshy Nesbitts to die at 54years old in run down fag-ash strewn hospitals eating battered mars bars and battered scotch eggs and battered pizza and battered chips.
After all, it's been fair game from the Scots (probably the nats, more accurately) to have digs, snipes, criticisms and pure untrue allegations from them towards anything English over the last few years.
(Obviously this is tongue in cheek, and is just trying to reflect the anti-Scots paranoia among the Yes camp)
Oh, as I come from Essex and I have a job and my own house, I'm apparantly "Tory scum" according to a pro-Yessir on a music forum I use. I've never voted tory in my life and as it happens I'm one half Scottish - although my mother moved down here when she was about 6, and sounds about as Scottish as Charlie Dimmock.
This whole affair has been nothing but poisonous and divisive to both sides. Salmond and his ilk should hang their heads when they lose. But they won't. They'll just carry on crowing how they've been hard done by and the result does not show a fair representation of the nation's wishes. The only way Salmond will ever shut up is when they bury him.
Then, when the result comes in and it's proven that we've had enough of them, we can build a 100 foot high brick wall across from coast to coast, keeping Edinburgh for ourselves but leaving the Jocks with Glasgae, take the Pound off them, give them each a field north of the new border and a handshake, 100 groats, and a collie dog and told to go, "get tae f
k", and never darken our doorstep again and see how great FREEEEEEEDOM is then. Anyone who voted "No" in the original referendum can come south to the United Kingdom with no restrictions nand be welcomed with open arms, and leave the intelligible, drunken, workshy Nesbitts to die at 54years old in run down fag-ash strewn hospitals eating battered mars bars and battered scotch eggs and battered pizza and battered chips. After all, it's been fair game from the Scots (probably the nats, more accurately) to have digs, snipes, criticisms and pure untrue allegations from them towards anything English over the last few years.
(Obviously this is tongue in cheek, and is just trying to reflect the anti-Scots paranoia among the Yes camp)
Oh, as I come from Essex and I have a job and my own house, I'm apparantly "Tory scum" according to a pro-Yessir on a music forum I use. I've never voted tory in my life and as it happens I'm one half Scottish - although my mother moved down here when she was about 6, and sounds about as Scottish as Charlie Dimmock.
This whole affair has been nothing but poisonous and divisive to both sides. Salmond and his ilk should hang their heads when they lose. But they won't. They'll just carry on crowing how they've been hard done by and the result does not show a fair representation of the nation's wishes. The only way Salmond will ever shut up is when they bury him.
Scotland after the vote?
Well, one of three outcomes is possible:
1. Scotland votes to exit the Union.
This scenario would represent a real opportunity for rUK. LOTS of public sector jobs (tax office etc) returning to rUK - most likely to Northern England, Wales or NI. Ship building returning to the south coast of England, (bye bye RN shipbuilding on the Clyde) Lower energy bills for rUK as those heavily subsidised Scottish wind farms no longer form part of our energy plan. Lower costs for rUK for services of a Universal provision type (Royal mail, some healthcare etc) as we will no longer have to pay the inherent subsidy for the highlands and islands. And perhaps the biggest bonus of all, no more having to be verbally abused by Scottish people who think that Braveheart is a documentary and that the sort of racist sectarian violent behaviour frequently directed at rUK (mostly English it has to be said) is in any way acceptable or justifiable. Mind you, I suspect the abuse will continue, it's just that we will no longer have to listen to it!
Scotland of course will be saddled with no currency, massive loss of jobs and investment, no membership of EU, Nato or any other International body of note. It will have an ageing population, and if the SNP/Socialists in waiting are to fulfil their promises to an already benefits addicted society then you can expect to see skills and capital flight on a grand scale as the knowledge and the cash rushes to abandon what will inevitably become a high tax economy.
2. Scotland votes No to the exit, but only narrowly
The worst possible scenario for all. We will have to listen to the ceaseless whining until the next vote. Everything bad will of course be Westminsters fault, everything good will be down to Holyrood. The unfairness of funding (barnett) will continue to blight rUK. rUK citizens will continue to be abused and intimidated by Nats.
Scotland will still lose the inward investment (who in their right minds would invest, knowing that in all likelihood within 20 years it could all got to rat poo. I would expect rUK Government to set up medium term plans to bring key skills and jobs back to rUK regions. Scotland will have set in train a slow process of self evisceration.
3. Scotland votes overwhelmingly NO. (i.e., at least 75/25)
A milder version of option 2. Yes, really. So much ill feeling and bad will has been stirred up in this process that this is now inevitable. A large chunk of Scottish society has made its feelings known, and those feelings are both toxic and ugly. McWigglebum is quite correct in his analysis. Sectarianism and violence will emerge more strongly than ever.
No doubt, everyone will try to pretend otherwise, but the genie is out of the bottle. Does anyone remember that old story about the bloke who got set up by his friends so that he believed he had won the lottery? (they taped the previous weeks show, and played it at the pub they were drinking in, then substituted a new lottery ticket with the previous weeks numbers on in his pocket. ) As the "program" was being "broadcast" our victim kept very quiet whilst nervously ticking off his numbers. As the final number came up, and he thought he had won 20 million quid, instead of standing up and celebrating, our victim instead stood up and told all his mates, plus his wife EXACTLY what he REALLY thought of them, in the most ungracious of terms.... His life was never the same again.
The difference between the above and Scotland? His mates/wife eventually forgave him....
Well, one of three outcomes is possible:
1. Scotland votes to exit the Union.
This scenario would represent a real opportunity for rUK. LOTS of public sector jobs (tax office etc) returning to rUK - most likely to Northern England, Wales or NI. Ship building returning to the south coast of England, (bye bye RN shipbuilding on the Clyde) Lower energy bills for rUK as those heavily subsidised Scottish wind farms no longer form part of our energy plan. Lower costs for rUK for services of a Universal provision type (Royal mail, some healthcare etc) as we will no longer have to pay the inherent subsidy for the highlands and islands. And perhaps the biggest bonus of all, no more having to be verbally abused by Scottish people who think that Braveheart is a documentary and that the sort of racist sectarian violent behaviour frequently directed at rUK (mostly English it has to be said) is in any way acceptable or justifiable. Mind you, I suspect the abuse will continue, it's just that we will no longer have to listen to it!
Scotland of course will be saddled with no currency, massive loss of jobs and investment, no membership of EU, Nato or any other International body of note. It will have an ageing population, and if the SNP/Socialists in waiting are to fulfil their promises to an already benefits addicted society then you can expect to see skills and capital flight on a grand scale as the knowledge and the cash rushes to abandon what will inevitably become a high tax economy.
2. Scotland votes No to the exit, but only narrowly
The worst possible scenario for all. We will have to listen to the ceaseless whining until the next vote. Everything bad will of course be Westminsters fault, everything good will be down to Holyrood. The unfairness of funding (barnett) will continue to blight rUK. rUK citizens will continue to be abused and intimidated by Nats.
Scotland will still lose the inward investment (who in their right minds would invest, knowing that in all likelihood within 20 years it could all got to rat poo. I would expect rUK Government to set up medium term plans to bring key skills and jobs back to rUK regions. Scotland will have set in train a slow process of self evisceration.
3. Scotland votes overwhelmingly NO. (i.e., at least 75/25)
A milder version of option 2. Yes, really. So much ill feeling and bad will has been stirred up in this process that this is now inevitable. A large chunk of Scottish society has made its feelings known, and those feelings are both toxic and ugly. McWigglebum is quite correct in his analysis. Sectarianism and violence will emerge more strongly than ever.
No doubt, everyone will try to pretend otherwise, but the genie is out of the bottle. Does anyone remember that old story about the bloke who got set up by his friends so that he believed he had won the lottery? (they taped the previous weeks show, and played it at the pub they were drinking in, then substituted a new lottery ticket with the previous weeks numbers on in his pocket. ) As the "program" was being "broadcast" our victim kept very quiet whilst nervously ticking off his numbers. As the final number came up, and he thought he had won 20 million quid, instead of standing up and celebrating, our victim instead stood up and told all his mates, plus his wife EXACTLY what he REALLY thought of them, in the most ungracious of terms.... His life was never the same again.
The difference between the above and Scotland? His mates/wife eventually forgave him....
OpulentBob said:
The day after the Scottish vote, there should be a second referendum by us, The Hated English, on whether or not we still want anything to do with the whinging, bleating victims north of the border.
Then, when the result comes in and it's proven that we've had enough of them, we can build a 100 foot high brick wall across from coast to coast, keeping Edinburgh for ourselves but leaving the Jocks with Glasgae, take the Pound off them, give them each a field north of the new border and a handshake, 100 groats, and a collie dog and told to go, "get tae fk", and never darken our doorstep again and see how great FREEEEEEEDOM is then. Anyone who voted "No" in the original referendum can come south to the United Kingdom with no restrictions nand be welcomed with open arms, and leave the intelligible, drunken, workshy Nesbitts to die at 54years old in run down fag-ash strewn hospitals eating battered mars bars and battered scotch eggs and battered pizza and battered chips.
After all, it's been fair game from the Scots (probably the nats, more accurately) to have digs, snipes, criticisms and pure untrue allegations from them towards anything English over the last few years.
(Obviously this is tongue in cheek, and is just trying to reflect the anti-Scots paranoia among the Yes camp)
Oh, as I come from Essex and I have a job and my own house, I'm apparantly "Tory scum" according to a pro-Yessir on a music forum I use. I've never voted tory in my life and as it happens I'm one half Scottish - although my mother moved down here when she was about 6, and sounds about as Scottish as Charlie Dimmock.
This whole affair has been nothing but poisonous and divisive to both sides. Salmond and his ilk should hang their heads when they lose. But they won't. They'll just carry on crowing how they've been hard done by and the result does not show a fair representation of the nation's wishes. The only way Salmond will ever shut up is when they bury him.
Whilst I can see your point, doing this really would drag you down to the same level as the Nats who are doing so much damage to the Anglo-Scottish relations.Then, when the result comes in and it's proven that we've had enough of them, we can build a 100 foot high brick wall across from coast to coast, keeping Edinburgh for ourselves but leaving the Jocks with Glasgae, take the Pound off them, give them each a field north of the new border and a handshake, 100 groats, and a collie dog and told to go, "get tae f
k", and never darken our doorstep again and see how great FREEEEEEEDOM is then. Anyone who voted "No" in the original referendum can come south to the United Kingdom with no restrictions nand be welcomed with open arms, and leave the intelligible, drunken, workshy Nesbitts to die at 54years old in run down fag-ash strewn hospitals eating battered mars bars and battered scotch eggs and battered pizza and battered chips. After all, it's been fair game from the Scots (probably the nats, more accurately) to have digs, snipes, criticisms and pure untrue allegations from them towards anything English over the last few years.
(Obviously this is tongue in cheek, and is just trying to reflect the anti-Scots paranoia among the Yes camp)
Oh, as I come from Essex and I have a job and my own house, I'm apparantly "Tory scum" according to a pro-Yessir on a music forum I use. I've never voted tory in my life and as it happens I'm one half Scottish - although my mother moved down here when she was about 6, and sounds about as Scottish as Charlie Dimmock.
This whole affair has been nothing but poisonous and divisive to both sides. Salmond and his ilk should hang their heads when they lose. But they won't. They'll just carry on crowing how they've been hard done by and the result does not show a fair representation of the nation's wishes. The only way Salmond will ever shut up is when they bury him.
bodhi said:
OpulentBob said:
The day after the Scottish vote, there should be a second referendum by us, The Hated English, on whether or not we still want anything to do with the whinging, bleating victims north of the border.
Then, when the result comes in and it's proven that we've had enough of them, we can build a 100 foot high brick wall across from coast to coast, keeping Edinburgh for ourselves but leaving the Jocks with Glasgae, take the Pound off them, give them each a field north of the new border and a handshake, 100 groats, and a collie dog and told to go, "get tae fk", and never darken our doorstep again and see how great FREEEEEEEDOM is then. Anyone who voted "No" in the original referendum can come south to the United Kingdom with no restrictions nand be welcomed with open arms, and leave the intelligible, drunken, workshy Nesbitts to die at 54years old in run down fag-ash strewn hospitals eating battered mars bars and battered scotch eggs and battered pizza and battered chips.
After all, it's been fair game from the Scots (probably the nats, more accurately) to have digs, snipes, criticisms and pure untrue allegations from them towards anything English over the last few years.
(Obviously this is tongue in cheek, and is just trying to reflect the anti-Scots paranoia among the Yes camp)
Oh, as I come from Essex and I have a job and my own house, I'm apparantly "Tory scum" according to a pro-Yessir on a music forum I use. I've never voted tory in my life and as it happens I'm one half Scottish - although my mother moved down here when she was about 6, and sounds about as Scottish as Charlie Dimmock.
This whole affair has been nothing but poisonous and divisive to both sides. Salmond and his ilk should hang their heads when they lose. But they won't. They'll just carry on crowing how they've been hard done by and the result does not show a fair representation of the nation's wishes. The only way Salmond will ever shut up is when they bury him.
Whilst I can see your point, doing this really would drag you down to the same level as the Nats who are doing so much damage to the Anglo-Scottish relations.Then, when the result comes in and it's proven that we've had enough of them, we can build a 100 foot high brick wall across from coast to coast, keeping Edinburgh for ourselves but leaving the Jocks with Glasgae, take the Pound off them, give them each a field north of the new border and a handshake, 100 groats, and a collie dog and told to go, "get tae f
k", and never darken our doorstep again and see how great FREEEEEEEDOM is then. Anyone who voted "No" in the original referendum can come south to the United Kingdom with no restrictions nand be welcomed with open arms, and leave the intelligible, drunken, workshy Nesbitts to die at 54years old in run down fag-ash strewn hospitals eating battered mars bars and battered scotch eggs and battered pizza and battered chips. After all, it's been fair game from the Scots (probably the nats, more accurately) to have digs, snipes, criticisms and pure untrue allegations from them towards anything English over the last few years.
(Obviously this is tongue in cheek, and is just trying to reflect the anti-Scots paranoia among the Yes camp)
Oh, as I come from Essex and I have a job and my own house, I'm apparantly "Tory scum" according to a pro-Yessir on a music forum I use. I've never voted tory in my life and as it happens I'm one half Scottish - although my mother moved down here when she was about 6, and sounds about as Scottish as Charlie Dimmock.
This whole affair has been nothing but poisonous and divisive to both sides. Salmond and his ilk should hang their heads when they lose. But they won't. They'll just carry on crowing how they've been hard done by and the result does not show a fair representation of the nation's wishes. The only way Salmond will ever shut up is when they bury him.
At the end of the day, my passport says I'm British. I see no need for that to change. For any of us.
McWigglebum4th said:
I believe that Scotland has started down a path filled with hatred and blame along with a rise in sectarian violence, we have already seen a moron going down secterian lines in the main indpendence thread and hope that scumbag has been banned for good from this site.
We already have morons calling for all NO voters to be hung from lampposts as well as idiots calling for an armed up rising
I also belive that less and less government contracts will be heading to Scotland.
I think this has badly hurt scotlands future
I hope i am wrong.
Do you mean ViperPict by any chance? I believe he had the temerity to suggest that some Rangers fans were indeed bigots - and gave them pelters for being so. I was accused of being a bigot myself, for again having the temerity to suggest that more than a few Rangers fans were simply regurgitating the wishes on their Lodges, rather than having the capability of independent thought. (For the record, I personally know quite a few Hearts and Rangers fans that will be voting YES!!!)We already have morons calling for all NO voters to be hung from lampposts as well as idiots calling for an armed up rising
I also belive that less and less government contracts will be heading to Scotland.
I think this has badly hurt scotlands future
I hope i am wrong.
Now we have Masonic and Orange lodges throwing their hats into the ring with BT - Perhaps a more fitting reference would be Bigoted Together (Since the Orange Lodge seem to be very proud indeed of their links to the KKK). I believe their joint tag-line is Celebrating our culture and tradition. So, celebrating lynching black people in the name of culture and tradition - how nice (NOT)!!!
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