Malaysian Airlines 777 down on Ukraine / Russia Border?

[jmorgan]

Wonder if the person that fired it is wondering where the independent and safe countries are where he/she can be protected.

[rich85uk]

jmorgan said:

Wonder if the person that fired it is wondering where the independent and safe countries are where he/she can be protected.

Russia, he's probably in Moscow now

[Boydie88]

jmorgan said:

Wonder if the person that fired it is wondering where the independent and safe countries are where he/she can be protected.

Has any seen/heard of that Igor Strelkov chap that sent the very suspect tweets? His name and any other news on his tweet and the conversation about the downed plane seem to have stopped.

[mjb1]

jmorgan said:

Wonder if the person that fired it is wondering where the independent and safe countries are where he/she can be protected.

I think the people that fired it are already back in their home nation (along with their equipment), and are pretty well protected...

[2013BRM]

jmorgan said:

Vaud said:

jmorgan said:

Maybe the recorders were examined, listened to, to see what was held to see how they could spin it, nothing altered. Now the SU25 is dangled.

Then again maybe they have been in a locked room all this time with some form of provenance to prove it.

I personally (I am not a flight accident investigator, etc) think the recorders are a bit useless.

I think we know it blew up. We know there was no mayday. I guess they might show us something but isn't the real intel from forensics on the wreckage - once the missile fragments are found and the explosive type analysed - that is surely the focus?

Not an investigator either but a thought occurred that spin required from Putin will need to be clear, lets just check the box to be on the safe side, so we do not get caught in a blatant lie.

it will be very obvious if the boxes have been tampered with, as for what they reveal, it's more like what they don't reveal, I imagine, that will be interesting

[skyrover]

Boydie88 said:

Has any seen/heard of that Igor Strelkov chap that sent the very suspect tweets? His name and any other news on his tweet and the conversation about the downed plane seem to have stopped.

Strelkov is a Russian in charge of guerilla operations in Ukraine. He is ex FSB (KGB) and a "retired" GRU military intelligence colonel.

http://vk.com/strelkov_info

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin

Edited by skyrover on Tuesday 22 July 15:18

[Boydie88]

skyrover said:

Strelkov is a Russian in charge of guerilla operations in Ukraine. He is ex FSB (KGB) and a "retired" GRU military intelligence colonel.

http://vk.com/strelkov_info

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin

Edited by skyrover on Tuesday 22 July 15:18

Yeah I came across that, it becomes even more suspect when you read into his history about serving for Russia. This more and more looks like a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The intercepted conversation is one of the biggest leads, yet there doesn't seem to be much mention of it on recent coverage or by any of the world leaders.

[Rude-boy]

rich85uk said:

jmorgan said:

Wonder if the person that fired it is wondering where the independent and safe countries are where he/she can be protected.

Russia, he's probably in Moscow now

At the risk of being one of the braying hoards of sensationalists I think that we can be fairly certain that whoever pushed the button, together with anyone else in the immediate vicinity and anyone who may have known that a missile was about to be launched (short of the top of the food chain), is/has been 'helping the Russians with their enquires,' and all that you might consider that might entail, and will not be seeing the light of day again.

Hence my very first post on this thread.

[John D.]

Inquiry into Litvineko murder announced today seems very timely

[John D.]

lord trumpton said:

rich85uk said:

Westy Carl said:

petemurphy said:

rich85uk said:

Perfect timing.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28416532

bit naughty they have waited till now and played their card

Meaningless, I bet Putin is p*****g himself if that's the best we can do.

It will achieve nothing as Russia will not extradite any of the suspects or recognise they did anything wrong. However I suspect it's just a way to put this back in the media spotlight and remind the world that Russia will go to great lengths to silence it's critics

Agreed. It's just propaganda to further dirty the Russia image.
I think it's a card well played myself.

Massively

Saddens me a little that without the plane been shot down perhaps this inquiry would not have been so forthcoming though.

[OllieC]

skyrover said:

Boydie88 said:

Has any seen/heard of that Igor Strelkov chap that sent the very suspect tweets? His name and any other news on his tweet and the conversation about the downed plane seem to have stopped.

Strelkov is a Russian in charge of guerilla operations in Ukraine. He is ex FSB (KGB) and a "retired" GRU military intelligence colonel.

http://vk.com/strelkov_info

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin

Edited by skyrover on Tuesday 22 July 15:18

I thought he had the armoured train in Dr. Zhivago, what do I know

[Art0ir]

rich85uk said:

Westy Carl said:

petemurphy said:

rich85uk said:

Perfect timing.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28416532

bit naughty they have waited till now and played their card

Meaningless, I bet Putin is p*****g himself if that's the best we can do.

It will achieve nothing as Russia will not extradite any of the suspects or recognise they did anything wrong. However I suspect it's just a way to put this back in the media spotlight and remind the world that Russia will go to great lengths to silence it's critics

I thought it was a fairly badly kept secret as to who arranged that anyway?

[Eric Mc]

Just been announced that the flight recorders will be coming to the UK for analysis. That means, more than likely, they will be coming to the AAIB here in Farnborough.

[Art0ir]

GarageQueen said:

did anyone else see another Sky news reporter walking through the burnt ground amongst the wreckage? I thought that was a little untasteful as well

Full report here

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/07/22/kay-bu...

[D4MJT]

Art0ir said:

Full report here

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/07/22/kay-bu...

That's in pretty poor taste really isn't it?

[bitchstewie]

Pistom said:

petemurphy said:

everyones human everyone makes mistakes. except on forums of course.

The job of the reporter is to ask questions and record images to inform us of the fuller picture. If the contents of the bag could in any way have contributed to the information being gathered it may have been acceptable but it didn't. It was pure sensationalism.

I don't know how I would react if I was there but accept that people make mistakes and in the context of the overall event, matters little.

The apology is not a very good one and feels more like arse covering but that seems to be the accepted norm these days.

I wish I had Sky so I could cancel it.

From what I've seen of Colin Brazier he doesn't seem the sensationalist type.

Poor taste yes, but hindsight is a wonderful thing and having read the Guardian article I don't see arse covering so much as simply explaining the situation.

[greygoose]

D4MJT said:

Art0ir said:

Full report here

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/07/22/kay-bu...

That's in pretty poor taste really isn't it?

I am not sure it is entirely serious.

[Eric Mc]

Still in poor taste though.

[rovermorris999]

Read his apology and his state of mind at the time and then criticise from your comfy chair folks.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/22/sky-new...

[joema]

MarkRSi said:

Beati Dogu said:

Puggit said:

FT publishes picture which looks like damage from a missile strike



http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/1d6a9ac2-10e3-11e4-b116-...

Seems to be from this area of the plane:



The missile's radar proximity fuse would have detonated the 70Kg (154 pound) fragmentation warhead about 20 meters (65 ft) from the plane and showered the front section with a cone of shrapnel. The pilots and many of the passengers probably died in the initial blast.

Out of curiosity, would a radar guided SAM (like a BUK, say) aim for a point ahead of the aircraft (leading the target) aiming to detonate just in front of it, if not scoring a direct hit?

In comparison, an IR AA-8 missile launched from a fictional jet would just aim directly towards a hot engine, detonating either just behind or a direct hit? In either case not likely to cause the damage shown above?

Does make me wonder how much of the plane was destroyed in the initial explosion then how much fell to earth as one piece with people probably alive. Pretty scary thought. Nasty

We saw the explosion on the ground which I presume was the fuel going up.