Malaysian Airlines 777 down on Ukraine / Russia Border?

[Pat H]

D4MJT said:

Art0ir said:

Full report here

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/07/22/kay-bu...

That's in pretty poor taste really isn't it?

I think it is a pretty amusing dig at the way that the international press has reported the tragedy.

What really is utterly tasteless and inappropriate is the way that ghoulish reporters have picked over personal effects and broadcast it live.

I actually have a grain of sympathy for the reporter in question. He was, I believe, genuinely upset by the scenes he was presented with. What I object to is the way these reports go out live.

Is it too much to ask that they record a clip and then take a short while to reflect upon whether it is appropriate? It would have spared the blushes of the overwrought reporter and, more importantly, the sensitivities of the poor relatives watching at home.

If my daughter had perished on that flight, then the sight of a reporter picking through her personal effects live on television would make me rather cross.

Seeing the reporter lampooned for his behaviour isn't in poor taste. I see it as a perfectly laudable humorous critique of the way a tragedy has been very inappropriately reported.

[greygoose]

rovermorris999 said:

Read his apology and his state of mind at the time and then criticise from your comfy chair folks.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/22/sky-new...

His actions reminded me of the reporter in Drop the Dead Donkey who took his own teddy bear to various accidents/wars etc to add "human interest" to the scene.

[rovermorris999]

greygoose said:

His actions reminded me of the reporter in Drop the Dead Donkey who took his own teddy bear to various accidents/wars etc to add "human interest" to the scene.

You go and stand surrounded by bodies and body parts and see something that reminds you of your young daughter and see how you feel. Most if not all of those posting here have no any idea of what that must be like. The guy was at the point of tears, controlled himself and realised he was letting emotion get the better of him and what he was doing was inappropriate. Sounds like a human being to me.

[bitchstewie]

Eric Mc said:

Still in poor taste though.

Nobody is suggesting otherwise Eric, I just get fed up with how someone somewhere has to be outraged by just about anything these days.

[greygoose]

rovermorris999 said:

You go and stand surrounded by bodies and body parts and see something that reminds you of your young daughter and see how you feel. Most if not all of those posting here have no any idea of what that must be like. The guy was at the point of tears, controlled himself and realised he was letting emotion get the better of him and what he was doing was inappropriate. Sounds like a human being to me.

I am sure he was upset, anyone would be, but he was at a crime scene and is a professional, he shouldn't be touching anything and could have said that he was too upset to do a piece to camera. In part it is the 24 hour news culture but he is an experienced reporter and should know better.

[anonymous-user]

rovermorris999 said:

You go and stand surrounded by bodies and body parts and see something that reminds you of your young daughter and see how you feel. Most if not all of those posting here have no any idea of what that must be like. The guy was at the point of tears, controlled himself and realised he was letting emotion get the better of him and what he was doing was inappropriate. Sounds like a human being to me.

Aye, leave the guy alone, I do not envy his job in this case.

[Mojocvh]

anonymous said:

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Who asked him to do it?

[petemurphy]

greygoose said:

His actions reminded me of the reporter in Drop the Dead Donkey who took his own teddy bear to various accidents/wars etc to add "human interest" to the scene.

always think this everytime theres a disaster!

[rovermorris999]

Mojocvh said:

Who asked him to do it?

FFS get real. So much cynicism on here. However professional he is nothing can prepare one for a scene like that. There was no sensationalist intent. I sympathise with him particularly with the flak he's getting from the professionally offended.

I'm out now.

Edited by rovermorris999 on Tuesday 22 July 18:10

[s3fella]

greygoose said:

rovermorris999 said:

You go and stand surrounded by bodies and body parts and see something that reminds you of your young daughter and see how you feel. Most if not all of those posting here have no any idea of what that must be like. The guy was at the point of tears, controlled himself and realised he was letting emotion get the better of him and what he was doing was inappropriate. Sounds like a human being to me.

I am sure he was upset, anyone would be, but he was at a crime scene and is a professional, he shouldn't be touching anything and could have said that he was too upset to do a piece to camera. In part it is the 24 hour news culture but he is an experienced reporter and should know better.

These journos only care about their own ratings and careers. Some fking plank on day two, when there was a delay getting official investigators out there, was wandering round the crash scene, touching and kicking things about, picking stuff up, whilst reporting that there was no security and the scene was getting contaminated.
What the juddering fk goes through these people's heads. Cocks the lot of them.

They should all have a bit more fking respect.

[Finlandia]

The US embassy in Stockholm today.

[Willy Nilly]

joema said:

Does make me wonder how much of the plane was destroyed in the initial explosion then how much fell to earth as one piece with people probably alive. Pretty scary thought. Nasty

We saw the explosion on the ground which I presume was the fuel going up.

It looks like the damaged piece is from the cockpit, so we might surmise that is blew the cockpit to pieces and the rest of it would have flown on for a bit. I'll wager it was the plane hitting the ground that killed most of the passengers. I have done a little reading about the Lockerbie disaster/bombing and some of the victims were still alive when people found them. Horrendous.

There was a documentary on C4 where they crashed an old airliner into the desert to record what happens in a crash. It came in shallow from a relatively low altitude and sort of bounced along on the ground, but the cockpit sort of fell off. When it had stopped the engine were still running.

[Mojocvh]

rovermorris999 said:

Mojocvh said:

Who asked him to do it?

FFS get real. So much cynicism on here. However professional he is nothing can prepare one for a scene like that. There was no sensationalist intent. I sympathise with him particularly with the flak he's getting from the professionally offended.

I'm out now.

Edited by rovermorris999 on Tuesday 22 July 18:10

Get real eh. So once again who forced that reporter in his emotional state to rummage around like the swine who committed the murders.

NO I don't blame him at all, he was manipulated into it. And you talk about the professionally offended, well takes one to know one.

Cheers! Tell ya what, save it for the Russian establishment.

[Pappa Lurve]

rovermorris999 said:

Mojocvh said:

Who asked him to do it?

FFS get real. So much cynicism on here. However professional he is nothing can prepare one for a scene like that. There was no sensationalist intent. I sympathise with him particularly with the flak he's getting from the professionally offended.

I'm out now.

Edited by rovermorris999 on Tuesday 22 July 18:10

It was thoughtless, stupid and in bad taste BUT I think that considering walking through a field stacked with people and debris, one can understand I think. I think he and Sky were correct to apologise for offence caused but IMHO I think it is probably little more than poor judgement by someone who let his emotions get the better of him. True, he is a journo, but he is also a human and it was a live report.

[EskimoArapaho]

An interesting blog where someone's trying to draw together photos, claims and other info:

Buk's arrival
http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/07/russian-tr...

Possible Buk launch location
http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/07/launch-loc...

As usual, a pinch of salt, because truth is the first casualty.


And as for the Sky journalist. The Great British Public wants live news, it wants to see something happening. If not, it loses interest after 3 minutes of debate and watches reruns of The Simpsons. No wonder that journalists sometimes get that wrong. This one realised and didn't defend what he did.

Contrast that behaviour with another British journalist, Graham Philips, interview transcript halfway down this page: http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day...

[Art0ir]

Pat H said:

I think it is a pretty amusing dig at the way that the international press has reported the tragedy.

What really is utterly tasteless and inappropriate is the way that ghoulish reporters have picked over personal effects and broadcast it live.

I actually have a grain of sympathy for the reporter in question. He was, I believe, genuinely upset by the scenes he was presented with. What I object to is the way these reports go out live.

Is it too much to ask that they record a clip and then take a short while to reflect upon whether it is appropriate? It would have spared the blushes of the overwrought reporter and, more importantly, the sensitivities of the poor relatives watching at home.

If my daughter had perished on that flight, then the sight of a reporter picking through her personal effects live on television would make me rather cross.

Seeing the reporter lampooned for his behaviour isn't in poor taste. I see it as a perfectly laudable humorous critique of the way a tragedy has been very inappropriately reported.

Indeed, I thought it an excellent piece satirising "rolling" news coverage we have now.

[EskimoArapaho]

CNN tweeting claimed launch location inside rebel-held Ukraine: https://twitter.com/barbarastarrcnn/status/4915591...

[Mermaid]

EskimoArapaho said:

CNN tweeting claimed launch location inside rebel-held Ukraine: https://twitter.com/barbarastarrcnn/status/4915591...

Case of mistaken identity or incompetence. But malice?

[anonymous-user]

Art0ir said:

Indeed, I thought it an excellent piece satirising "rolling" news coverage we have now.

i work in a chicken processing factory and even the chickens once dead are treated with more dignity than the main press.

[Mr GrimNasty]

skyrover said:

Boydie88 said:

Has any seen/heard of that Igor Strelkov chap that sent the very suspect tweets? His name and any other news on his tweet and the conversation about the downed plane seem to have stopped.

Strelkov is a Russian in charge of guerilla operations in Ukraine. He is ex FSB (KGB) and a "retired" GRU military intelligence colonel.

http://vk.com/strelkov_info

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin

Edited by skyrover on Tuesday 22 July 15:18

You must have been living in a cave, even our national papers have been all over this guy, long before the plane was downed.
It's no secret.
He's turned up all over the place, basically anywhere Putin needs an amoral right hand axeman.