Malaysian Airlines 777 down on Ukraine / Russia Border?

[Cobnapint]

Putin is trying to silence his critics at home now, according to Sky News, by quote:

'passing a new anti-protest law, increasing the penalty for repeat breaches to up to five years forced labour or imprisonment, or a one million ruble fine. Another law targeting "extremist language" makes re-tweeting information deemed "offensive" punishable by up to five years in jail.

The vast majority of people here, more than 90%, get their information from TV news - and Russian media is increasingly subject to heavy state control."

Classic signs of a dictator being pushed towards the rope. You can take the man out of the KGB, but you can't take the KGB out of the man.

[Octoposse]

Brilliant piece by Simon Jenkins in today's Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/...

"Yet only fools can ignore the fact of Russian pride and fear of encirclement. The post-cold war provocation of Putin was good public relations, but it was rotten history.

We are told that east Ukraine is one of many potential explosions that Putin could trigger along the Russian border, from the Baltic to the Caucasus. Everywhere are Russian minorities (or majorities) that could clash with local non-Russians. Europe’s leaders have no conceivable interest in stirring up such conflicts – and yet that was precisely what they sought to do in Georgia and Ukraine"

[essayer]

They have found another large section of fuselage about 1 mile away

Hopefully the remaining bodies will be accounted for there.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/mh17-new-wreckage-...

[essayer]

They have found another large section of fuselage about 1 mile away

Hopefully the remaining bodies will be accounted for there.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/mh17-new-wreckage-...

[BHC]

XJ Flyer said:

Which just leaves the question of,knowing UKIP's policies regarding Ukraine,why the deafening silence from Farage.Is he being gagged by the pro EU government security agencies and their propaganda.Or is it that he just can't be bothered knowing that Britain is now a lost cause to the dangerous aggressive expansionist policies of the federalist supporters of the EU.

Edited by XJ Flyer on Thursday 24th July 18:40

Actually, you're (as usual) mistaken. Many questions on this topic remain, however that is not one of them. Do you understand that this involves Ukrainian/Russian rebels and military and has LITERALLY no relation to Ireland or UKIP?

[Asterix]

tbf - neither Labour or UKIP etc.. will have access to the intel that the government will. That's a very good reason for staying mute.

[skyrover]

The result of Russian artillery onto Ukrainian troops... Some of the 72th Ukr. Brigade annihilated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9iCq0k0PEY

It is confirmed Russia is now firing artillery from Russian territory into Ukraine

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-russia-firing-artil...

Edited by skyrover on Friday 25th July 12:32

[Patrick Bateman]

http://news.sky.com/story/1307384/sas-forces-on-st...

About time.

[skyrover]

How long before RT spins it into "western soldiers deployed on Russian border"?

It would be interesting how Russia responds now that international troops are on the ground.

Might be more careful where they point those MLRS

[2013BRM]

skyrover said:

The result of Russian artillery onto Ukrainian troops... Some of the 72th Ukr. Brigade annihilated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9iCq0k0PEY

It is confirmed Russia is now firing artillery from Russian territory into Ukraine

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-russia-firing-artil...

Edited by skyrover on Friday 25th July 12:32

Putin seems to be getting very desperate, he thinks if he loses Ukr then it could trigger a 'Russian Spring'

[FourWheelDrift]

skyrover said:

How long before RT spins it into "western soldiers deployed on Russian border"?

It would be interesting how Russia responds now that international troops are on the ground.

Might be more careful where they point those MLRS

After an earlier accusation from the US of Russia firing artillery into Ukraine they state that Ukrainian mortars have been fired into Russia, according to https://twitter.com/RT_com

Other state sponsored items on there too.

[Walford]

The EU was never going to get this far east, and should accept, they have proved this mess

[rich85uk]

Patrick Bateman said:

http://news.sky.com/story/1307384/sas-forces-on-st...

About time.

While I agree I do worry about what these guys would do for backup, requested air strikes etc when the rebels it seems can get what they want from Russia with Russian troops very close on standby

[Beyond Rational]

Maybe I've missed something, but how is firing missiles from one country into another in order to destroy the armed troops of that nation, not an act of war?

[Rocksteadyeddie]

Beyond Rational said:

Maybe I've missed something, but how is firing missiles from one country into another in order to destroy the armed troops of that nation, not an act of war?

Or sending special forces in to "secure" an area...

We'd do well to stay well away from this fast emerging st-show.

[Cobnapint]

Rocksteadyeddie said:

Or sending special forces in to "secure" an area...

We'd do well to stay well away from this fast emerging st-show.

I agree. Putin-the-Paranoid already thinks NATO are trying to construct an invasion by siding up to Ukraine.

This will cause his ICBM silo's to step up to a 'put your vodka down' state. Very dangerous, no matter how innocent the intention.

[Rocksteadyeddie]

2013BRM said:

skyrover said:

The result of Russian artillery onto Ukrainian troops... Some of the 72th Ukr. Brigade annihilated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9iCq0k0PEY

It is confirmed Russia is now firing artillery from Russian territory into Ukraine

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-russia-firing-artil...

Edited by skyrover on Friday 25th July 12:32

Putin seems to be getting very desperate, he thinks if he loses Ukr then it could trigger a 'Russian Spring'

Russia "losing" Ukraine is not an option for Putin. Military history runs deep. I have little doubt he would go to war to ensure this doesn't happen. The West has no such commitment so would do well to back off.

[B17NNS]

Rocksteadyeddie said:

We'd do well to stay well away from this fast emerging st-show.

[anonymous-user]

Rocksteadyeddie said:

Or sending special forces in to "secure" an area...

We'd do well to stay well away from this fast emerging st-show.

I bet 50 quid no special forces would go in, too open and too much publicity and to secure a non military site is worthless from a strategic point of view.

[tleefox]

Patrick Bateman said:

http://news.sky.com/story/1307384/sas-forces-on-st...

About time.

Friend of a friend is in the SBS and we were supposed to be having them round for a BBQ this weekend - she is now coming on her own as allegedly they are already on their way.