Malaysian Airlines 777 down on Ukraine / Russia Border?

[XJ Flyer]

Octoposse said:

It's a game of chicken, with real people dying and real lives devastated. Apart from the morality, one also has to question the wisdom of playing chicken with someone who has a more critical interest in the outcome than we have - if Putin is humiliated in Ukraine it is the beginning of the end for him in Russia.

Or that could be a massive under estimation.In that if Putin loses it might just be the end of the beginning of WW3.

[eharding]

XJ Flyer said:

In that if Putin loses it might just be the end of the beginning of WW3.

BINGO!

Sorry. Just been playing a private game of 'XJ Flyer PH Apocalypse Buzzword Borrocks Bingo', and bless 'im, he's just delivered another full house.

Nuke-bleedin'-tastic.

(Apologies to those PH aviators of a nervous disposition who are chronically worried about their fuel state)

[Cobnapint]

eharding said:

BINGO!

Sorry. Just been playing a private game of 'XJ Flyer PH Apocalypse Buzzword Borrocks Bingo', and bless 'im, he's just delivered another full house.

Nuke-bleedin'-tastic.

(Apologies to those PH aviators of a nervous disposition who are chronically worried about their fuel state)

He won't be happy until he sees a big mushroom cloud at the end of his road

[eharding]

Cobnapint said:

eharding said:

BINGO!

Sorry. Just been playing a private game of 'XJ Flyer PH Apocalypse Buzzword Borrocks Bingo', and bless 'im, he's just delivered another full house.

Nuke-bleedin'-tastic.

(Apologies to those PH aviators of a nervous disposition who are chronically worried about their fuel state)

He won't be happy until he sees a big mushroom cloud at the end of his road

In general, I suspect he won't be happy until everyone else isn't happy.

He's Tom Clancy meets Morrissey meets Alzheimer's.

[Beati Dogu]

Or Jack Hawkins' character in Zulu. "Don't you SEE, you're all going to DIE!!!! DIEEEEE!!!!!"

[skyrover]

The Canadians have produced a helpful map. Very considerate



And a BBC article on why some rebel tanks can only have come from Russia

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28961080

Edited by skyrover on Thursday 28th August 08:55

[vonuber]

Well here's the invasion it seems:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/28/ukrai...

Where's my £20?

[petrolsniffer]

Damn! I was actually considering ringing a bookies when all this kicked off

[KareemK]

vonuber said:

Well here's the invasion it seems:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/28/ukrai...

Where's my £20?

So the Ukrainian President says "they're here!" Thats almost good enough for me. Please post confirmation of the invasion with a link to a tweet you might have seen which confirms it or perhaps some grainy footage of a tank moving 'forward' and the £20 is on its way.

[MrCarPark]

KareemK said:

vonuber said:

Well here's the invasion it seems:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/28/ukrai...

Where's my £20?

So the Ukrainian President says "they're here!" Thats almost good enough for me. Please post confirmation of the invasion with a link to a tweet you might have seen which confirms it or perhaps some grainy footage of a tank moving 'forward' and the £20 is on its way.

How about an emergency UN Security Council meeting? That good enough for you?

[Cobnapint]

skyrover said:

The Canadians have produced a helpful map. Very considerate



And a BBC article on why some rebel tanks can only have come from Russia

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28961080

Edited by skyrover on Thursday 28th August 08:55

Very good.

It's a pity Kerry can't have this made into a giant poster so he can have it on the wall behind him at the next meeting with Putin.

I know we're no angels, but it's time he was told that all this Soviet-era 'deny everything and lie about the rest' mind-set he still has just doesn't wash anymore.

[Octoposse]

skyrover said:

The Canadians have produced a helpful map. Very considerate

Edited by skyrover on Thursday 28th August 08:55

Pity they weren't equally considerate in producing a helpful NATO Member / not NATO Member map before we went to war over Kosovo . . .

Edited to add that Crimea is coloured in wrongly!

Edited by Octoposse on Thursday 28th August 16:52

[KareemK]

MrCarPark said:

KareemK said:

vonuber said:

Well here's the invasion it seems:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/28/ukrai...

Where's my £20?

So the Ukrainian President says "they're here!" Thats almost good enough for me. Please post confirmation of the invasion with a link to a tweet you might have seen which confirms it or perhaps some grainy footage of a tank moving 'forward' and the £20 is on its way.

How about an emergency UN Security Council meeting? That good enough for you?

Yeah, that'll do, got a link? BBC or Sky.

It's not twitter again is it?

[MrCarPark]

KareemK said:

Yeah, that'll do, got a link? BBC or Sky.

It's not twitter again is it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28967526

[Finlandia]

KareemK said:

MrCarPark said:

KareemK said:

vonuber said:

Well here's the invasion it seems:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/28/ukrai...

Where's my £20?

So the Ukrainian President says "they're here!" Thats almost good enough for me. Please post confirmation of the invasion with a link to a tweet you might have seen which confirms it or perhaps some grainy footage of a tank moving 'forward' and the £20 is on its way.

How about an emergency UN Security Council meeting? That good enough for you?

Yeah, that'll do, got a link? BBC or Sky.

It's not twitter again is it?

USA today reporting about it, requested by Lithuania.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/2...

[rich85uk]

Could get pretty ugly...

I dont speak Ukrainian but I think a summary is it's nuclear, massive and works
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ff9_1409238371

[vonuber]

KareemK said:

So the Ukrainian President says "they're here!" Thats almost good enough for me. Please post confirmation of the invasion with a link to a tweet you might have seen which confirms it or perhaps some grainy footage of a tank moving 'forward' and the £20 is on its way.

here's a nice tweet from the US Ambassador:

https://twitter.com/GeoffPyatt/status/504860196976...

Link to a tank:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/aug/28...

I'll have it as a crisp £20 note please. Plus interest at 5% per every day of obfuscation and Kremlin pandering you undertake.

[XJ Flyer]

skyrover said:

The Canadians have produced a helpful map. Very considerate



And a BBC article on why some rebel tanks can only have come from Russia

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28961080

Edited by skyrover on Thursday 28th August 08:55

So let the Canadians go there waving their map and try to kick Russia out of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine and then see what happens.

[rich85uk]

vonuber said:

here's a nice tweet from the US Ambassador:

https://twitter.com/GeoffPyatt/status/504860196976...

Link to a tank:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/aug/28...

I'll have it as a crisp £20 note please. Plus interest at 5% per every day of obfuscation and Kremlin pandering you undertake.

The bbc also reported on the Russian tank:
http://.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28961080

[skyrover]

Some quotes from the current emergency UN meeting being held in New York.

US Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power on Russia: 'It has manipulated, it has obfuscated, it has outright lied'

US Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power: 'Russian deployments into Ukraine include advanced artillery and air defense systems not found in the Ukrainian inventory'

UN Under-Secretary-General: "We cannot ignore the deeply alarming reports of Russian military involvement"

And Russia's own Human Right's Council (which has an uneasy relationship with the Kremlin)

More than 100 Russian soldiers killed in eastern Ukraine in a single battle this month while helping pro-Russian separatists fight Ukrainian troops, 2 members of the Russian presidential human rights council say