Malaysian Airlines 777 down on Ukraine / Russia Border?

[petrolsniffer]

rich85uk said:

That was a horrendous thing for the rebels to do and the sweepers at the end liking them to the nazis is pure humiliation for Ukraine as a country but you are right some people in Eastern Ukraine are pro Russia, some may have been converted that way after the high civilian death toll and the rebels convincing them it was the Ukrainian army. It's fair to say both sides have shelled civilians during the war so far, but I think what is the most shocking thing is the way Putin feels taking land by force with no vote, elections etc is the only way this will work. For something that is happening in Europe in 2014 it's pretty barbaric

Indeed I can't believe some actually support it.

I suppose all those ethnic Russians living in the Baltics and others should have the right to be liberated and fk the sovereignty of said nation?

Russians: 493,392 people, 48.15%
Ukrainians: 478,041 people, 46.65%

Thats the demographic split in donetsk.

I admit it's pulled from the donetsk wiki but I'd believe it's accurate as the figures are pulled from a census.

Do you actually think those 478k Ukrainians had any say in this or dared to?

[Mojocvh]

KareemK said:

skyrover said:

This thread is not about me

Oh but it is really. Nobody goes to the lengths you do without it being "about them".

As if by magic:

skyrover said:

I collate the information from several sources to try and keep on top of current events.

And it's not 'information' only is it Don't forget the ramblings of your brothers aunties farmer-boyfriends cousin.

Way to much stuff going on in your head me'thinks.

Edited by KareemK on Friday 29th August 17:34

I'd just like to inform you that I have reported your posting to the moderators.

Mo.

[Mojocvh]

WOW the soviet Russian version of Dubya!!

img knicked from raftom.

Edited by Mojocvh on Friday 29th August 18:07

[Derek Chevalier]

rich85uk said:

Oh dear

For some reason All McDonald's in Russia have suddenly become dangerously unhygienic and are being shut down and Jack Daniels have been putting insect repellant in there whiskey, any shop selling it in Russia will be sued

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/business/arti...

Are you sure all McDonalds were shut down?

[petrolsniffer]

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/747212

12 shut down currently checking all 100.

[Derek Chevalier]

petrolsniffer said:

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/747212

12 shut down currently checking all 100.

That was my understanding.

[irocfan]

petrolsniffer said:

Indeed I can't believe some actually support it.

I suppose all those ethnic Russians living in the Baltics and others should have the right to be liberated and fk the sovereignty of said nation?

Russians: 493,392 people, 48.15%
Ukrainians: 478,041 people, 46.65%

Thats the demographic split in donetsk.

I admit it's pulled from the donetsk wiki but I'd believe it's accurate as the figures are pulled from a census.

Do you actually think those 478k Ukrainians had any say in this or dared to?

the problem is that no matter who wins things are going to be decidedly nasty for the 'other side' left there... especially for ethnic Russians with those lovely neo-nazis fighting for Ukraine around

[Mojocvh]

irocfan said:

petrolsniffer said:

Indeed I can't believe some actually support it.

I suppose all those ethnic Russians living in the Baltics and others should have the right to be liberated and fk the sovereignty of said nation?

Russians: 493,392 people, 48.15%
Ukrainians: 478,041 people, 46.65%

Thats the demographic split in donetsk.

I admit it's pulled from the donetsk wiki but I'd believe it's accurate as the figures are pulled from a census.

Do you actually think those 478k Ukrainians had any say in this or dared to?

the problem is that no matter who wins things are going to be decidedly nasty for the 'other side' left there... especially for ethnic Russians with those lovely neo-nazis fighting for Ukraine around

What are their numbers though?

Remember those neo nazis in Serbia that the russians were quite happy to support? or is it a case of collective short memories all round??

[XJ Flyer]

KareemK said:

And Munters post above is the issue you all seem to be getting confused about.

The people of Eastern Ukraine WANT the Russians to intervene. The Ukrainian Govt are the enemy to them. Did you not see the crowds cheering the rebels when the captured Ukranian soldiers were paraded through the streets???

The calls of 'butchers' together with bottles raining down on them from streets packed 10 deep.

Let me draw you an analogy, think 'Falklands' but 10's of thousands more people.

Is it the case that some of you are seeing this as 'whatever the west does is right and just' regardless of how hypocritical that is?

It seems obvious that we're no longer talking about the west as being the level headed objective cautious place it was during the Cold War.It now seems to be driven by an east European hate filled mob mentality based on pay back for perceived historic Russian wrongs.With a NATO leadership which is only too keen to go along with it to further the idea of eastward expansion up to and including Crimea.If NATO is not prepared to compromise in that regard the implications seem obvious.Which is why Putin seems to be increasingly looking like he is running out of ideas with events spiraling out of his control.

[Mojocvh]

XJ Flyer said:

KareemK said:

And Munters post above is the issue you all seem to be getting confused about.

The people of Eastern Ukraine WANT the Russians to intervene. The Ukrainian Govt are the enemy to them. Did you not see the crowds cheering the rebels when the captured Ukranian soldiers were paraded through the streets???

The calls of 'butchers' together with bottles raining down on them from streets packed 10 deep.

Let me draw you an analogy, think 'Falklands' but 10's of thousands more people.

Is it the case that some of you are seeing this as 'whatever the west does is right and just' regardless of how hypocritical that is?

It seems obvious that we're no longer talking about the west as being the level headed objective cautious place it was during the Cold War.It now seems to be driven by an east European hate filled mob mentality based on pay back for perceived historic Russian wrongs.With a NATO leadership which is only too keen to go along with it to further the idea of eastward expansion up to and including Crimea.If NATO is not prepared to compromise in that regard the implications seem obvious.Which is why Putin seems to be increasingly looking like he is running out of ideas with events spiraling out of his control.

Whatever.

[vonuber]

Article on Putin:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/29/putin...

At least ~90% of the comments seem to be Russian Kremlin bots. It's truly astonishing.

[XJ Flyer]

vonuber said:

Article on Putin:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/29/putin...

At least ~90% of the comments seem to be Russian Kremlin bots. It's truly astonishing.

No more Russian Kremlin bot than Kennedy was in using the velvet glove approach by doing the deal with Kruschev to remove the missile threat to Russia in Turkey.After using the iron fist approach of threatening to end the world if Russia wouldn't first remove the threat to America in Cuba.The idea of Russia seeing Eastern Ukraine as part of Russia is no threat to the west.While the eastward expansion of NATO up to Russia's borders certainly is a threat to Russia.

[Mojocvh]

XJ Flyer said:

vonuber said:

Article on Putin:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/29/putin...

At least ~90% of the comments seem to be Russian Kremlin bots. It's truly astonishing.

No more Russian Kremlin bot than Kennedy was in using the velvet glove approach by doing the deal with Kruschev to remove the missile threat to Russia in Turkey.After using the iron fist approach of threatening to end the world if Russia wouldn't first remove the threat to America in Cuba.The idea of Russia seeing Eastern Ukraine as part of Russia is no threat to the west.While the eastward expansion of NATO up to Russia's borders certainly is a threat to Russia.

bla, bla, bla.

However you fail to either explain or rationalist the dead people on MH37, or the dead Ukrainian citizens that your favoured regime has slaughtered in defiance of International Law.

Please carry on ignoring the rights of human beings enshrined in the UN charter.

Unless, of course, you know better than the rest of the civilised world.

We await your reply with unequivocal enthusiasm.

Yeah.

[vonuber]

XJ Flyer said:

No more Russian Kremlin bot than Kennedy was in using the velvet glove approach by doing the deal with Kruschev to remove the missile threat to Russia in Turkey.After using the iron fist approach of threatening to end the world if Russia wouldn't first remove the threat to America in Cuba.The idea of Russia seeing Eastern Ukraine as part of Russia is no threat to the west.While the eastward expansion of NATO up to Russia's borders certainly is a threat to Russia.

I didn't know they had comments on internet articles in the 1960's. Blimey, learn something new every day.

[XJ Flyer]

Mojocvh said:

XJ Flyer said:

vonuber said:

Article on Putin:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/29/putin...

At least ~90% of the comments seem to be Russian Kremlin bots. It's truly astonishing.

No more Russian Kremlin bot than Kennedy was in using the velvet glove approach by doing the deal with Kruschev to remove the missile threat to Russia in Turkey.After using the iron fist approach of threatening to end the world if Russia wouldn't first remove the threat to America in Cuba.The idea of Russia seeing Eastern Ukraine as part of Russia is no threat to the west.While the eastward expansion of NATO up to Russia's borders certainly is a threat to Russia.

bla, bla, bla.

However you fail to either explain or rationalist the dead people on MH37, or the dead Ukrainian citizens that your favoured regime has slaughtered in defiance of International Law.

Please carry on ignoring the rights of human beings enshrined in the UN charter.

Unless, of course, you know better than the rest of the civilised world.

We await your reply with unequivocal enthusiasm.

Yeah.

I think there's two sides shooting at each other in this case for obvious reasons.

[XJ Flyer]

vonuber said:

XJ Flyer said:

No more Russian Kremlin bot than Kennedy was in using the velvet glove approach by doing the deal with Kruschev to remove the missile threat to Russia in Turkey.After using the iron fist approach of threatening to end the world if Russia wouldn't first remove the threat to America in Cuba.The idea of Russia seeing Eastern Ukraine as part of Russia is no threat to the west.While the eastward expansion of NATO up to Russia's borders certainly is a threat to Russia.

I didn't know they had comments on internet articles in the 1960's. Blimey, learn something new every day.

I was actually referring to the idea that compromise obviously means Kremlin stooge in your view.That would obviously have applied just the same in the 1960's as now.Luckily for the world Kennedy didn't follow the present day NATO agenda.

[Mojocvh]

XJ Flyer said:

Mojocvh said:

XJ Flyer said:

vonuber said:

Article on Putin:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/29/putin...

At least ~90% of the comments seem to be Russian Kremlin bots. It's truly astonishing.

No more Russian Kremlin bot than Kennedy was in using the velvet glove approach by doing the deal with Kruschev to remove the missile threat to Russia in Turkey.After using the iron fist approach of threatening to end the world if Russia wouldn't first remove the threat to America in Cuba.The idea of Russia seeing Eastern Ukraine as part of Russia is no threat to the west.While the eastward expansion of NATO up to Russia's borders certainly is a threat to Russia.

bla, bla, bla.

However you fail to either explain or rationalist the dead people on MH37, or the dead Ukrainian citizens that your favoured regime has slaughtered in defiance of International Law.

Please carry on ignoring the rights of human beings enshrined in the UN charter.

Unless, of course, you know better than the rest of the civilised world.

We await your reply with unequivocal enthusiasm.

Yeah.

I think there's two sides shooting at each other in this case for obvious reasons.

FFS is that it after all your piss on this thread

"I think there's two sides shooting at each other" no st.

EFA.. I saw your name on a marmalade jar but I was wrong, it said Thick Cut....

[Mojocvh]

XJ Flyer said:

vonuber said:

XJ Flyer said:

No more Russian Kremlin bot than Kennedy was in using the velvet glove approach by doing the deal with Kruschev to remove the missile threat to Russia in Turkey.After using the iron fist approach of threatening to end the world if Russia wouldn't first remove the threat to America in Cuba.The idea of Russia seeing Eastern Ukraine as part of Russia is no threat to the west.While the eastward expansion of NATO up to Russia's borders certainly is a threat to Russia.

I didn't know they had comments on internet articles in the 1960's. Blimey, learn something new every day.

I was actually referring to the idea that compromise obviously means Kremlin stooge in your view.That would obviously have applied just the same in the 1960's as now.Luckily for the world Kennedy didn't follow the present day NATO agenda.

Stop twisting history to suit your ideals, your totally wrong, period.

Go write for RT in future, 'cos nobody's listening anymore.

[XJ Flyer]

Mojocvh said:

XJ Flyer said:

Mojocvh said:

XJ Flyer said:

vonuber said:

Article on Putin:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/29/putin...

At least ~90% of the comments seem to be Russian Kremlin bots. It's truly astonishing.

No more Russian Kremlin bot than Kennedy was in using the velvet glove approach by doing the deal with Kruschev to remove the missile threat to Russia in Turkey.After using the iron fist approach of threatening to end the world if Russia wouldn't first remove the threat to America in Cuba.The idea of Russia seeing Eastern Ukraine as part of Russia is no threat to the west.While the eastward expansion of NATO up to Russia's borders certainly is a threat to Russia.

bla, bla, bla.

However you fail to either explain or rationalist the dead people on MH37, or the dead Ukrainian citizens that your favoured regime has slaughtered in defiance of International Law.

Please carry on ignoring the rights of human beings enshrined in the UN charter.

Unless, of course, you know better than the rest of the civilised world.

We await your reply with unequivocal enthusiasm.

Yeah.

I think there's two sides shooting at each other in this case for obvious reasons.

FFS is that it after all your piss on this thread

"I think there's two sides shooting at each other" no st.

EFA.. I saw your name on a marmalade jar but I was wrong, it said Thick Cut....

Not thick just pointing out that NATO is not exactly blameless for this brewing st storm.

[XJ Flyer]

Mojocvh said:

XJ Flyer said:

vonuber said:

XJ Flyer said:

No more Russian Kremlin bot than Kennedy was in using the velvet glove approach by doing the deal with Kruschev to remove the missile threat to Russia in Turkey.After using the iron fist approach of threatening to end the world if Russia wouldn't first remove the threat to America in Cuba.The idea of Russia seeing Eastern Ukraine as part of Russia is no threat to the west.While the eastward expansion of NATO up to Russia's borders certainly is a threat to Russia.

I didn't know they had comments on internet articles in the 1960's. Blimey, learn something new every day.

I was actually referring to the idea that compromise obviously means Kremlin stooge in your view.That would obviously have applied just the same in the 1960's as now.Luckily for the world Kennedy didn't follow the present day NATO agenda.

Stop twisting history to suit your ideals, your totally wrong, period.

Go write for RT in future, 'cos nobody's listening anymore.

How is pointing out the fact that Kennedy avoided blowing up the world by knowing when to compromise 'twisting history'.