Malaysian Airlines 777 down on Ukraine / Russia Border?

Malaysian Airlines 777 down on Ukraine / Russia Border?

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PhillipM

6,524 posts

190 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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They do more damage to themselves in the long run than they would to EU airlines - who's going to take flights to Russia when you're banned from the airspace otherwise, given the trigger happy SAM operators that seem to be around...

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

135 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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petrolsniffer said:
https://news.vice.com/article/russia-threatens-to-...

'Russia Threatens to Bankrupt Western Airlines by Closing Its Airspace'

oh dear

Edited by petrolsniffer on Wednesday 10th September 11:52
"Vice"

Oh, dear. laugh

skyrover

12,682 posts

205 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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skyrover

12,682 posts

205 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Some more updates:

Russia has started limiting gas supplies to Poland, disrupting reverse flows to Ukraine, head of Ukraine's gas transport monopoly says - @ria_novosti

Poland says it receives 20% less. Slovakia also notes slightly lower numbers.

Ukraine claims Poland has stopped reserve flow an hour ago

http://www.breakingnews.com/

http://tvn24bis.pl/informacje,187/rosja-przykrecil...

http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/09/10/7037332/

Russian President Vladimir Putin signs decree taking direct charge of commission that oversees Russia's defense industry - @ReutersWorld


XJ Flyer

5,526 posts

131 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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skyrover said:
Russian President Vladimir Putin signs decree taking direct charge of commission that oversees Russia's defense industry - @ReutersWorld
Maybe another sign that Russia is gearing up for war.With no sign that NATO is prepared to change strategy from conventional offence to strategic nuclear defence.

AreOut

3,658 posts

162 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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and if you wondered how even professional crew could mistakenly hit an airliner...here is how soviet tech works sometimes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFHl3ruVggw

petrolsniffer

2,461 posts

175 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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scherzkeks said:
"Vice"

Oh, dear. laugh
rolleyes

Sorry I didn't quote a 100+ years newspaper... maybe you should go have a look on the vice youtube channel some very good stuff and regular updates from the ground from both sides.

skyrover

12,682 posts

205 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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'Russian troops got lost in Ukraine because of US controlling their GPS signal - Russian military report states

Russian defense officials have accused the US of steering Russian troops into Ukraine. A few weeks ago, a group of several Russian soldiers were captured by the junta army on the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic.

Intense research by engineers from the Russian Federation, Iran, North-Korea and Syria has led to the conclusion that US spy satellites have helped to hack the signal of the Russian unit, falsely leading it into war-torn Ukraine.

The US ambassador to Russia has been summoned by the Russian foreign ministry.

http://www.interfax-net.ru/en/bull/foreign/sh/ukra...

skyrover

12,682 posts

205 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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(NewsWeek) Russian Soldiers Reveal the Truth Behind Putin's Secret War

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/09/19/russian-soldier...

Russian soldier said:
I had no idea we were to go to Ukraine; we all believed they brought us to a base for the usual routine exercises. If I knew it was for war, I’d have quit back in Kostroma

MrCarPark

528 posts

142 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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skyrover said:
'Russian troops got lost in Ukraine because of US controlling their GPS signal - Russian military report states

Russian defense officials have accused the US of steering Russian troops into Ukraine. A few weeks ago, a group of several Russian soldiers were captured by the junta army on the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic.

Intense research by engineers from the Russian Federation, Iran, North-Korea and Syria has led to the conclusion that US spy satellites have helped to hack the signal of the Russian unit, falsely leading it into war-torn Ukraine.

The US ambassador to Russia has been summoned by the Russian foreign ministry.

-http://www.interfax-net.ru/en/bull/foreign/sh/ukraine/it/us-satellite-hacks-russian-unit.html
Looks like your link was hacked too.

hidetheelephants

24,761 posts

194 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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skyrover said:
'Russian troops got lost in Ukraine because of US controlling their GPS signal - Russian military report states

Russian defense officials have accused the US of steering Russian troops into Ukraine. A few weeks ago, a group of several Russian soldiers were captured by the junta army on the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic.

Intense research by engineers from the Russian Federation, Iran, North-Korea and Syria has led to the conclusion that US spy satellites have helped to hack the signal of the Russian unit, falsely leading it into war-torn Ukraine.

The US ambassador to Russia has been summoned by the Russian foreign ministry.

http://www.interfax-net.ru/en/bull/foreign/sh/ukra...
Is this the Russians admitting that GLONASS is a pile of st and they have to use GPS, admitting GLONASS is vulnerable to US fiddlery, or just garden variety bullst like 99% of their output this year?

Aside from satnav bks, it must be pretty embarrassing to admit your soldiery is so pants you can't cope with just a map and compass.

skyrover

12,682 posts

205 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Strelkov's back... and he's not happy.

A rough translation into English:

Strelkov said:
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/

Comrades and the accompanying ladies!

Snake [n.b. a nickname of a forum admin?] talked me into logging into the forum and telling at least a few words about what is happening. Due to a number of circumstances I won't comment in any way on the events that occur in Novorossia. I will only note that I am, to put it mildly, "not jubilant".

As for the rest:
1. Everything that is related to my resignation and departure and the subsequent silence was a necessary consequence of a number of circumstances, which I am not going to explain in this format. Perhaps, somewhat later.
2. I wasn't in Yalta and I wasn't going to be there. Under the cover of my name a PR-sabbath was organized there by the paid friends of a "fur animal" [n.b. this is a transparent hint at Surkov, which sounds similar to "?????" in Russian, which translates into "marmot"] which must not confused with fox [n.b. absolutely untranslatable play of words.. another furred animal "?????" that's also used as an expletive in Russian meaning, the end result is making the already transparent hint at Surkov even less transparent plus bringing an element of a thinly veiled insult directed at Mr. Surkov into the whole sentence]. The fact that Mozgovoi and Druz were there is a consequence of this hoax and nothing else. Also, I don't know anything about the rally on September 13th, where I am apparently supposed to show up.
3. Anatoly El-Murid [n.b. the famous Russian blogger [?IMG]el_murid, who is an acquaintance of Strelkov] writes whatever he thinks is necessary, but he is in touch with me. Verbal attacks on him in my view are indirect evidence of the attackers affiliation with the "birds from Surkov's nest" with corresponding conclusions with respect to them ("there is such a profession – to love one's Motherland for money!").
4. I read the "Questions to Strelkov". I won't reply right now. Later.
5. I don't remove the responsibility for the situation in Donetsk from myself. I am well-informed about what is currently happening there. But right now I cannot influence it in any way, unfortunately. For now.
6. I will definitely continue to fight for my Homeland in one format or another. Let my numerous "well-wishers" (in Russia and Novorossia and also in the Ruin) have no illusions in this respect. While I'm alive they won't sleep well. Also I'm sending a "message" to someone in Donetsk, as it is often said these days "I'm angry and my memory is good". smile This especially concerns one elderly fan of good cigars and whiskey, who was successfully pretending to be "an officer and a patriot" for more than 20 years. He will understand. Respect and honour is no longer about him. As for various scum among the locals, no mater who is on whose leash, I also suggest them not to forget that I'm still alive and capable of acting.
7. Yulia Latynina and Co. (n.b. this presumably refers to the liberal crowd at the radio station "Echo of Moscow") shouldn't expect me in their company. I never had and will never have anything in common with them. "They are in need of great upheavals..." (n.b. a reference to the famous quote by Pyotr Stolypin: "You, gentlemen, are in need of great upheavals; we are in need of Great Russia.").
8. By the end of September a second book of my fairy tales should come out, which was launched into publication already before departing into Crimea.

Respectfully, Strelok

AreOut

3,658 posts

162 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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it seems the rebels are kinda fighting between themselves, or they are just acting to deceive opponent smile

skyrover

12,682 posts

205 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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AreOut said:
it seems the rebels are kinda fighting between themselves, or they are just acting to deceive opponent smile
wheels within wheels and fires within fires

skyrover

12,682 posts

205 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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someone got lucky... smerch heavy artillery


rich85uk

3,417 posts

180 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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skyrover said:
someone got lucky... smerch heavy artillery

Feel sorry for the poor sod who has to remove that...

skyrover

12,682 posts

205 months

Friday 12th September 2014
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I'm surprised someone hung around long enough to take a picture. biggrin

Good news, everyone! Remember the bombed out ruin of Lughansk Airport that the Russians seperatists took a couple of weeks ago? It turns out that Ukraine actually left a selection of perfectly intact military aircraft, no doubt soon to be unveiled as the glorious Novorossian Air Force!


petrolsniffer

2,461 posts

175 months

Friday 12th September 2014
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Wonder who will pilot them?

Captured rebel pilot:I'm just peasent farmer honest!

AreOut

3,658 posts

162 months

Friday 12th September 2014
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maybe they have several pilots that defected from ukrainian army

John_S4x4

1,350 posts

258 months

Friday 12th September 2014
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"On Monday, the Russian Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos) announced plans to move survival training for all Soyuz passengers to a Russian naval base in Sevastopol, Crimea, after claiming to have "annexed" the peninsula from Ukraine earlier this year. The strategic move could put the US and other nations in a diplomatic bind as American, European, and Japanese astronauts-in-training would need to travel to the newly annexed territory without Ukrainian-issued visas.

If the foreign crew refuses to travel to Crimea, the astronauts would fail their training and would be disqualified from their trip to the International Space Station (ISS), which is due for a routine crew replacement."

http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/09/iss-astrona...