Tulisa Contostavlos drugs case

[Grumfutock]

Good. Looks like these arse wipe jurno's have finally been found out. He lied to court, surprise surprise!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28403821

[sleep envy]

37% purity?

Charge of selling goods not as described, surely.

[P-Jay]

I'm not surprised - all this "Fake Sheikh" st seems to be at least 90% Agent Provocateur lead - didn't the NOTW once incite a group of desperate Eastern Europeans to plot to kid nap one of the Beckham kids, only to turn them in at the last moment and declare themselves heroes?

[Mr Trophy]

I thought it was all on film hence why it went to court?

[MarshPhantom]

Good news.

[Shaw Tarse]

Have The Sun reported this yet?

[wiggy001]

sleep envy said:

37% purity?

Charge of selling goods not as described, surely.

At £60 a gram, I would suspect 37% purity is probably higher than average.

[jogon]

The drug dealers walks free too. Good old British justice aye. How much did this shambles cost the tax payer?

[gpo746]

jogon said:

The drug dealers walks free too. Good old British justice aye. How much did this shambles cost the tax payer?

I suspect someone in the CPS may have some questions to answer

Nothing you can really do about it. The tax payer will just be expected to take it on the chin

[Grumfutock]

Mr Trophy said:

I thought it was all on film hence why it went to court?

Yes but he lied to the court in typical style. This idiots thinks he is above the law and i would hope the CPS now purse him for wasting the courts and police time and the judge has him for contempt.

[Prawnboy]

good, still amazed that this tittle tattle peddling waste of space 'fake sheik' is allowed anonymity in court.

[P-Jay]

Mr Trophy said:

I thought it was all on film hence why it went to court?

I haven't followed it very closely, but some is, some isn't although one of the defendants did plead guilt to selling 13g of Coke to the Sun and now he's walk.

I think the problem is, apart from the fact that the "Fake Sheikh" lied in court, is that it's very difficult to prove a case when entrapment has been used, especially as the Sun only really cared about getting a cheap story, rather than proving some real undoing - they met Tulisa several times to talk up a fake Film Role for her, got her into a position where she wanted to keep them happy then asked her if she knew anyone who could sell them Coke, knowing her dodgy council estate background meant she probably would know someone in the 'powders industry'.

Considering she's worth about £3m and has (BJ film and this aside) managed to shake off her NDubs imagine it's not likely that she's going to be involved in selling drugs - if it wasn't for The Sun, then the crime wouldn't have taken place, they instigated it - I have to assume at some point Mazher Mahmood lied about who instigated it and has been found out.

So for the sake of a cheap story, the Sun has cost the tax payer a big pile of cash on court case.

[Mr Trophy]

Grumfutock said:

Yes but he lied to the court in typical style. This idiots thinks he is above the law and i would hope the CPS now purse him for wasting the courts and police time and the judge has him for contempt.

Sorry - I am really not trying to cause a fight, surely if it's filmed, lied or not about something, there is still grounds there? What did he lie about?

[tenpenceshort]

gpo746 said:

I suspect someone in the CPS may have some questions to answer

Nothing you can really do about it. The tax payer will just be expected to take it on the chin

It looks to me as if the evidence of the reporter is the mainstay of the prosecution case. By the sound of it there were pre-trial hearings during which he gave evidence (this would be before the jury had been sworn in and probably an 'abuse of process' hearing trying to have the prosecution stayed). The result of the abuse hearings would have been that the judge believed there could be a fair trial, probably relying on the evidence already given by Mahmood.

If it turns out Mahmood had been telling porkies at the abuse hearing, and the decision to allow the trial relied on his evidence, it then stands to reason the decision to allow the trial could no longer stand (without other evidence to prevent a stay).

Sadly there's little the CPS can do to tell if Mahmood was lying at those hearings, when the court heard his evidence and found it sufficiently compelling. Sometimes people lie, sometimes they get found out- the main thing is that the trial process is sufficiently able to deal with such situations. Here it was.

[MarshPhantom]

tenpenceshort said:

gpo746 said:

I suspect someone in the CPS may have some questions to answer

Nothing you can really do about it. The tax payer will just be expected to take it on the chin

It looks to me as if the evidence of the reporter is the mainstay of the prosecution case. By the sound of it there were pre-trial hearings during which he gave evidence (this would be before the jury had been sworn in and probably an 'abuse of process' hearing trying to have the prosecution stayed). The result of the abuse hearings would have been that the judge believed there could be a fair trial, probably relying on the evidence already given by Mahmood.

If it turns out Mahmood had been telling porkies at the abuse hearing, and the decision to allow the trial relied on his evidence, it then stands to reason the decision to allow the trial could no longer stand (without other evidence to prevent a stay).

Sadly there's little the CPS can do to tell if Mahmood was lying at those hearings, when the court heard his evidence and found it sufficiently compelling. Sometimes people lie, sometimes they get found out- the main thing is that the trial process is sufficiently able to deal with such situations. Here it was.

Mahmood has been suspended by his employers pending an investigation.

[tenpenceshort]

MarshPhantom said:

Mahmood has been suspended by his employers pending an investigation.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Police were investigating him for perverting the course of justice.

Poor old Murdoch just can't rein his people in, can he?

[Grumfutock]

MarshPhantom said:

Mahmood has been suspended by his employers pending an investigation.

Bloody marvelous!!!! Cant stand this type of entrapment.

[pcvdriver]

Mr Trophy said:

Grumfutock said:

Yes but he lied to the court in typical style. This idiots thinks he is above the law and i would hope the CPS now purse him for wasting the courts and police time and the judge has him for contempt.

Sorry - I am really not trying to cause a fight, surely if it's filmed, lied or not about something, there is still grounds there? What did he lie about?

I think that there are comfortable grounds to dismiss the case, due to the veracity of the "fake Sheik's" evidence. (the "transaction" may have been filmed - but who's to say if the package contained any drugs at all. They may have been added at a later date, which could also be a contributory factor to it only being 37% pure).
Basically if there is ever a doubt - then there is no doubt - the evidence has become irrevocably tarnished, no matter what.

[Oakey]

pcvdriver said:

I think that there are comfortable grounds to dismiss the case, due to the veracity of the "fake Sheik's" evidence. (the "transaction" may have been filmed - but who's to say if the package contained any drugs at all. They may have been added at a later date, which could also be a contributory factor to it only being 37% pure).
Basically if there is ever a doubt - then there is no doubt - the evidence has become irrevocably tarnished, no matter what.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. It's 37% pure because everyone along the chain is a greedy fker.

[longblackcoat]

Oakey said:

pcvdriver said:

I think that there are comfortable grounds to dismiss the case, due to the veracity of the "fake Sheik's" evidence. (the "transaction" may have been filmed - but who's to say if the package contained any drugs at all. They may have been added at a later date, which could also be a contributory factor to it only being 37% pure).
Basically if there is ever a doubt - then there is no doubt - the evidence has become irrevocably tarnished, no matter what.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. It's 37% pure because everyone along the chain is a greedy fker.

And it's often a good deal lower than 37%!