Tulisa Contostavlos drugs case
Discussion
cirian75 said:
Magog said:
According to wiki, there have been 94 convictions on the basis of Mazher Mahmood's investigations. If he were found guilty of perjury or perverting the course of justice, that's a hefty wedge of potentially unsafe convictions the courts might have to wade through.
94 people stitched up like a kipperAnd the reason why he will get a long prison term if convicted.
hornetrider said:
Not this s
t again, that's what got the last thread locked.
Oh yes and when I was foolish enough to mention that a thread PRIOR to that one had been locked and people banned (I know who was) I was mocked by the clever types. But the reality was I was correct and was just being polite in warning people.t again, that's what got the last thread locked.I imagine this one has about 2 days steam in it.
55palfers said:
..but the one guy entered a guilty plea - how does that work then?
He must have though he had actually broken the law somehow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EntrapmentHe must have though he had actually broken the law somehow.
"In criminal law, entrapment is a practice whereby a law enforcement agent induces a person to commit a criminal offense that the person would have otherwise been unlikely to commit"
England and Wales
"Entrapment arises when a person is encouraged by someone in some official capacity to commit a crime. If entrapment occurred, then some prosecution evidence may be excluded as being unfair, or the proceedings may be discontinued altogether."
I would suggest A bent freelance journalist working for a major newspaper is in an official capacity.
Lost soul said:
urghhhh skanky finger nails :shudder:
Congrats Tulisa, you've passed Key Stage 1 in Englishhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28406152
55palfers said:
..but the one guy entered a guilty plea - how does that work then?
He must have though he had actually broken the law somehow.
No doubt, it's pretty much a given he did supply a half-ounce of Cocaine to the reporter, or at least felt there was so much evidence showing he did that an early guilty plea would mean the lightest punishment. He must have though he had actually broken the law somehow.
But as above, he was persuaded to break the law by the journalist - whether he was usually in the business of selling drugs doesn't matter - the UK the courts frown at Entrapment, and it's only to be used in really strict circumstances - it seems that the journalist lied to the police / court in regards to who instigated the deal and has been caught out - because not even the Sun would like it's readers to think it encourages people to sell drugs.
P-Jay said:
But as above, he was persuaded to break the law by the journalist - whether he was usually in the business of selling drugs doesn't matter - the UK the courts frown at Entrapment, and it's only to be used in really strict circumstances - it seems that the journalist lied to the police / court in regards to who instigated the deal and has been caught out - because not even the Sun would like it's readers to think it encourages people to sell drugs.
I don't think he was persuaded to break the law by the journalist though, not in the way Tulisa was. They ended up asking a known drug dealer to sell them something, and a load of drugs turned up at their hotel. There wasn't the whole entrapment angle that Tulisa experienced. I appreciate why it was dropped against him also... but this Mike GLC bloke is a very lucky guy. One minute you're waiting to see how long you're going to get, the next you're walking free.
gpo746 said:
I'd go along with the poster above
I assume this is the same fake sheik that got Prince Andrew or Fergie ?? 10 years ago ?
Yep,I assume this is the same fake sheik that got Prince Andrew or Fergie ?? 10 years ago ?
He also contacted 3 UK men who were "suspected terrorists"- he contacted them to sell them red mercury for a dirty bomb - again the case collapsed costing us about £1m.
The three guys were an International Dealer a Banker and a Security Guard - three desperate people looking to make money talked into it my Mahmood - they didn't have a clue what they were buying, I don't think it really exists, they said they though it was useful for cleaning bank notes - but they weren't extremists anyway - stupid maybe, but mostly desperate. They did a couple of years in gaol each before the case went to court.
He managed to get himself listed as a Counter-Terrorist Unit informer at the time, and I think that's how he manages to keep his anonymity now.
bullies180 said:
so because of this fake sheikh, the taxpayer is apparently going to be left with a six figure legal bill because of this trial collapsing. I think maybe the Sun should pick up this bill as they set out to cause it and then their own man bodged the job!
In fairness the CPS decided to take it to court, I suspect the Sun wanted anything BUT that, for exactly this - it was a bullst story. The problem for the CPS I think is that in years gone by when a big story would break they cold fain a bit of interest and the public wouldn't expect the Police to get involved so much, nowadays if you have some TV star snorting coke on a hidden camera or the like they're duty bound to act on it.
Saying that, I agree that Mahood and the Sun need to be held accountable for this - but I think if a anti-terrorist plot wasn't enough to do it - then a sordid tale like this won't touch the sides.
Tulisa to tell of ordeal on TV show
http://t.tv.uk.msn.com/news/tulisa-to-tell-of-orde...
To be fair I thought she enjoyed doing The X Factor ?
http://t.tv.uk.msn.com/news/tulisa-to-tell-of-orde...
To be fair I thought she enjoyed doing The X Factor ?
irocfan said:
fixed that for you...
In all seriousness though I really don't see how someone who coped a guilty plea got off. If I were him I'd be buying my Euromillions ticket tonight!!
Tulisa's trial was halted because the behaviour of the main witness (without which there was insufficient evidence to find her guilty) was so reprehensible that it would be unfair to try her. If the prosecution against the guy who pleaded guilty was equally reliant on Mahmood's evidence, it stands to reason it is also unfair to try him. In all seriousness though I really don't see how someone who coped a guilty plea got off. If I were him I'd be buying my Euromillions ticket tonight!!
As an aside, people often plead guilty for tactical reasons based on the odds of being found not guilty versus the discount for pleading guilty at the earliest opportunity. It's not necessarily that someone thinks they are guilty.
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