US: 'Pregnant' intruder shot dead by home owner
Discussion
Some Gump said:
I'd argue he shot someone who was going to rob him next week, and therefore it's self defence.
Pre-emptive protection of his property. Nowt different to being allowed to cull those lovely pastry based, door opening tool people here. I bet the US doesn't suffer from them does it?
grumbledoak said:
MarshPhantom said:
Thankfully very rare in the UK due to our sensible attitude to guns.
But we do have to contend with higher rates of house breaking and mugging for exactly the same reason. Best keep that out of the press though, eh?Guam said:
MarshPhantom said:
Thankfully very rare in the UK due to our sensible attitude to guns.
The only people who lost out due to the handgun legislation were the enthusiasts who used to shoot at places like Bisley, the crims seemingly have no problems sourcing firearms when needed.Before this turns into another gun thread I echo the post above about how many people went out and bought handguns before the law changed.
Unknown to the public and to me until a year or so ago, there are plenty of 'nasty' looking guns that the UK public can own still, it's just, as before, a lot of hoops to jump through before you are granted a licence.
Personally, I cannot get into a club, the first hoop as waiting lists are so long, and now I am in rented accommodation the chances of being allowed to install a gun safe are very small, another hoop before you even fill in the application form.
Also, I presume, even if I had a safe full of rifles for sport, the police would take a very dim view of me taking them out to shoot a burglar that was actually in my house.
Unknown to the public and to me until a year or so ago, there are plenty of 'nasty' looking guns that the UK public can own still, it's just, as before, a lot of hoops to jump through before you are granted a licence.
Personally, I cannot get into a club, the first hoop as waiting lists are so long, and now I am in rented accommodation the chances of being allowed to install a gun safe are very small, another hoop before you even fill in the application form.
Also, I presume, even if I had a safe full of rifles for sport, the police would take a very dim view of me taking them out to shoot a burglar that was actually in my house.
0000 said:
Expectations are different in the States. He overstepped the mark, but when your choice is to shoot or not shoot it's rarely going to be a precise fit.
Indeed. Courts have the luxury of time in cold blood to consider the correct sentence; real life does not. The headline could have been anywhere from "OAP killed by burglars" to "Two burglars killed by OAP". You can guess my preference.I think it would take a pretty cold person to kill someone unarmed standing in front of them. The fact that he did it twice says that he was a pretty nasty man, well it does to me at least.
I think everyone has a right to self defence and can kill to preserve life, be it their own or someone elses. I do not think theft is a valid reason to kill someone.
I think everyone has a right to self defence and can kill to preserve life, be it their own or someone elses. I do not think theft is a valid reason to kill someone.
fesuvious said:
Just curious;
Those on here with strong views on this old boy being discussed.
How many of you have elderly parents? How would you feel if I went to their home, found one of them, punched them repeatedly and then threw them to the floor with such force it broke their collar bone? Just so I could nick some cash.
If handed a gun, and offered no repercussions, would you kill me? Your parent is quite lucky to be alive, and is seriously injured, oh, and they feared for their life and suffered emotional harm. He or she is in pain, needing hospital treatment, and is scared for their safety.
So, you happy for me to go to court, (I might get off with a few months)? Or, if you had the chance, with no comebacks, would you pull the trigger?
I wouldn't pull the trigger, whatever emotive laden "what if" revenge scenario was presented. And if I did I wouldn't whinge if the justice system did its job and convicted me.Those on here with strong views on this old boy being discussed.
How many of you have elderly parents? How would you feel if I went to their home, found one of them, punched them repeatedly and then threw them to the floor with such force it broke their collar bone? Just so I could nick some cash.
If handed a gun, and offered no repercussions, would you kill me? Your parent is quite lucky to be alive, and is seriously injured, oh, and they feared for their life and suffered emotional harm. He or she is in pain, needing hospital treatment, and is scared for their safety.
So, you happy for me to go to court, (I might get off with a few months)? Or, if you had the chance, with no comebacks, would you pull the trigger?
The flip side to your scenario is that of the criminal's parent. Would you be happy if someone shot your child because they'd been the victim of crime before and your child was the straw that broke the camel's back?
And if that's the case where should we draw the line? I used to get pretty hacked off with people tagging my garage. Would it be ok with you if I shot the perpetrator? What about the bloke I caught peering in through the back window one morning?
No sympathy whatsoever for the burglars.
Having watched the devastation burglary caused to my deceased mother all I can say is 'Good riddance to bad rubbish.'
I wish our elderly and vulnerable had the right defend themselves with firearms. A little equality between crims and victims would be a good thing.
Having watched the devastation burglary caused to my deceased mother all I can say is 'Good riddance to bad rubbish.'
I wish our elderly and vulnerable had the right defend themselves with firearms. A little equality between crims and victims would be a good thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnL05eLaTjQ
This is a YouTube video comprising of a number of incidents where members of the US public have shot robbers/attackers in shops and in their homes.
Just beggars belief that anyone would dare commit a crime over there.
I was in the Florida Keys with some mates years ago and one of them was really pissed and climbed over the hedge of a private house and was wandering around the garden. We were terrified knowing the US laws on what a householder could legally do to protect their property. We spent a desperate 10 mins trying to coax our mate back without venturing onto the property ourselves.
This is a YouTube video comprising of a number of incidents where members of the US public have shot robbers/attackers in shops and in their homes.
Just beggars belief that anyone would dare commit a crime over there.
I was in the Florida Keys with some mates years ago and one of them was really pissed and climbed over the hedge of a private house and was wandering around the garden. We were terrified knowing the US laws on what a householder could legally do to protect their property. We spent a desperate 10 mins trying to coax our mate back without venturing onto the property ourselves.
d, but why not let the crim know? ie:If you're a) in someone else's home stealing their things and b) punching the 80-year-old owner to the ground breaking his collarbone then you have no comeback when he shoots and kills you.
Was she pregnant? Doubtful - people will say anything to try and stay alive. Could they have returned to the scene if he hadn't pursued and shot at them? Very possibly. Hat off to the old guy (who must have been in incredible pain) for making sure no-one returned to finish what they started on him and also in ensuring a 100% non-re-offending rate in her case.
Would she be dead if they hadn't been ransacking his home and breaking his bones? No. Moral of the story is that if you don't want to risk getting shot and killed, don't break into someone's home.
As someone who suffered a break-in last year, it's awful. I don't like to think what I'd have done to the scum if I'd returned home and found them in my home. I have ZERO sympathy for burglars.
Was she pregnant? Doubtful - people will say anything to try and stay alive. Could they have returned to the scene if he hadn't pursued and shot at them? Very possibly. Hat off to the old guy (who must have been in incredible pain) for making sure no-one returned to finish what they started on him and also in ensuring a 100% non-re-offending rate in her case.
Would she be dead if they hadn't been ransacking his home and breaking his bones? No. Moral of the story is that if you don't want to risk getting shot and killed, don't break into someone's home.
As someone who suffered a break-in last year, it's awful. I don't like to think what I'd have done to the scum if I'd returned home and found them in my home. I have ZERO sympathy for burglars.
Edited by Funk on Saturday 26th July 15:04
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