US: 'Pregnant' intruder shot dead by home owner

[Scuffers]

ChemicalChaos said:

Daily Fail is running a headline stating that her post mortem says she wasn't pregnant....

Was that ever in doubt?

[anonymous-user]

My parents were burgled a few weeks ago, for the first time ever.

They live in a house in the countryside and the burglars came in at night when they presumed they would be asleep in bed, but fortunately my parents were away that weekend, and came home to find the mess.

They now genuinely don't feel safe in their own home which they have lived in for 30 years.

Mum still refuses to sleep in their main bedroom where they broke into through the veranda doors and ransacked her stuff, plus she still becomes very upset over it all.

To say Dad is utterly furious over the matter is an understatement. Mostly at the fact my mum has been so upset. He is mad to the point of asking me what weapons he can legally have around the house to go to town on them if they ever came back. He was asking about how to get a taser gun, CS spray, extending metal baton, knives and suchlike.

Having now seen first hand, the utter misery and distress a burglary can cause to law abiding citizens, I would happily pay someone several thousand pounds to literally beat these people to a pulp if I had definitive proof of who it was, rather than the usual Police drivel of "Well we think it was xxxxx but we don't have any proof. Sorry".

I When I say beaten to a pulp I really mean it. If they had to spend the next few years learning how to walk again I would be satisfied.

I think the old guy went a bit too far, but I'm really, really struggling to have any sympathy for the burglars.

[David87]

Everyone has heard 'Don't do the crime if you can't do the time'. In America, this can mean being tackled by an armed homeowner rather than a spell in prison. No sympathy from me; burgling is dangerous - particularly in the US of A - and you shouldn't do it if you aren't prepared to face the very real risk of being injured or killed.

[Justices]

FourWheelDrift said:

Photo of 80 yr old shooter on here - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/24/tom-green...

Burglars on here - http://www.presstelegram.com/general-news/20140724...

Well stone the crows, my "please don't be a Black/Hispanic/Chinese/brown/tanned" prayers were answered! It's always a bit of a "FFS, you're doing the rest of us no favours" moment when the mugshot pops up and it is.

The home owner went too far, but at 80 years old, having been attacked, collarbone broken and suffering multiple home invasions I can see why he wouldn't be taking any prisoners. Anyone, including myself, would claim to be pregnant if they thought it might help you not get shot too.

Serious question, how on earth does an 80 year old with broken bones manage to catch up to a 28 year old with a headstart?

News article said:

“She says, ‘Don’t shoot me, I’m pregnant — I’m going to have a baby.’ And I shot her anyway,” Greer said. “The lady didn’t run as fast as the man so I shot her in the back twice; she’s dead ... but he got away.”

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Justices said:

Serious question, how on earth does an 80 year old with broken bones manage to catch up to a 28 year old with a headstart?

did not have to catch up with her, the bullets did that.

[h8tax]

Dead burglars have a very low re-offending rate...

[P-Jay]

Jimbeaux said:

P-Jay said:

As for this guy, he's executed someone, but the US is a fked up place - the NRA and their huge PR and political sway will defend him simply because he used a gun and won't hear a bad word said about him, the debate will rage on

Ahh, another person living abroad who's got it all figured out and wrapped in a nice and simple package.....not!

Frankly the US has had 230+ years to sort out it's own laws and yet more people are killed in the US with Guns than anywhere else in the developed world in terms of deaths per capita - in fact it roughly the same as the rest of the developed world collectively.

The rest of the world can see the insanity of the American love of guns, the glamorisation of guns in films and TV and that your political systems are for sale to anyone with enough money to pay the lobbyists.

Perhaps it's time the US started to listen to people "Abroad" for once? After all, if taken as an average 90 people died in the US from firearms between your post and mine - here in the UK, we'd have to wait a week for one.

Edited by P-Jay on Monday 28th July 14:55

[Jimbeaux]

E24man said:

onyx39 said:

But that's the whole point, he was not defending his property or himself.The girl had left his property. If all he wanted to do was defend his property, he should have made sure they could not get back in after they had left and called 911. But he didn't, he chose to follow them outside and kill her.

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Edited by E24man on Friday 25th July 22:27

This is true and I have full empathy with the old fellow but technically, he broke the law.

[Jimbeaux]

MarshPhantom said:

Thankfully very rare in the UK due to our sensible attitude to guns.

You're so sensible.

[Jimbeaux]

Guam said:

grumbledoak said:

Just more propaganda.

Not only that they already can, there was a news item during the week about some guy who had an arsenal in his back garden, including automatic weapons. Seems to me that the law didnt prevent him getting anything he wanted?

That is because gun laws only work on the law-abiding.

[Jimbeaux]

Bill said:

Jimbeaux said:

As I stated earlier in the thread, while I sympathize with and sort of understand his plight, the man was wrong to kill in this instance and should technically be prosecuted.

Bloody liberal!

Yes; alas, age must be softening my sensibilities.

[Jimbeaux]

Pebbles167 said:

I think it would take a pretty cold person to kill someone unarmed standing in front of them. The fact that he did it twice says that he was a pretty nasty man, well it does to me at least.

I think everyone has a right to self defence and can kill to preserve life, be it their own or someone elses. I do not think theft is a valid reason to kill someone.

It's the body that wraps up a murder case. Fortunately alligators around here stay hungry.

[Jimbeaux]

P-Jay said:

Jimbeaux said:

P-Jay said:

As for this guy, he's executed someone, but the US is a fked up place - the NRA and their huge PR and political sway will defend him simply because he used a gun and won't hear a bad word said about him, the debate will rage on

Ahh, another person living abroad who's got it all figured out and wrapped in a nice and simple package.....not!

Frankly the US has had 230+ years to sort out it's own laws and yet more people are killed in the US with Guns than anywhere else in the developed world in terms of deaths per capita - in fact it roughly the same as the rest of the developed world collectively.

The rest of the world can see the insanity of the American love of guns, the glamorisation of guns in films and TV and that your political systems are for sale to anyone with enough money to pay the lobbyists.

Perhaps it's time the US started to listen to people "Abroad" for once? After all, if taken as an average 90 people died in the US from firearms between your post and mine - here in the UK, we'd have to wait a week for one.

Edited by P-Jay on Monday 28th July 14:55

The vast majority of those deaths you mention are in small enclaves inhabited by crims, gangs, etc that have always and will likely continue to kill one another with whatever weapon is available. High number of shootings by small groups. The numbers are misleading. I say again, you do not understand, it really is as simple as that.

[hairykrishna]

P-Jay said:

Frankly the US has had 230+ years to sort out it's own laws and yet more people are killed in the US with Guns than anywhere else in the developed world in terms of deaths per capita - in fact it roughly the same as the rest of the developed world collectively.

The rest of the world can see the insanity of the American love of guns, the glamorisation of guns in films and TV and that your political systems are for sale to anyone with enough money to pay the lobbyists.

Perhaps it's time the US started to listen to people "Abroad" for once? After all, if taken as an average 90 people died in the US from firearms between your post and mine - here in the UK, we'd have to wait a week for one.

Edited by P-Jay on Monday 28th July 14:55

What do you suggest though? Our tight restrictions work because guns have been controlled here more or less since the invention of modern firearms. There are too many guns, too much ammunition and too few records of who has what for anything like our system to be introduced in the US.

Focussing on guns misses the wider issues of why there are so many murders anyway. No magic cure alls for that either.

[grumbledoak]

It's not that focussing on guns is the problem, we are subject to anti-gun propaganda at every opportunity here in the UK. You could easily assume that the US is the only Western country to allow gun ownership (not true) and that the effects of it are all negative (not true either).

[Randy Winkman]

grumbledoak said:

It's not that focussing on guns is the problem, we are subject to anti-gun propaganda at every opportunity here in the UK. You could easily assume that the US is the only Western country to allow gun ownership (not true) and that the effects of it are all negative (not true either).

Here's some good anti-gun stuff (Kids and Guns). And not even on the BBC. Some real sickeners on it - though there is at least a nice bit where the ex-army bloke admits he made a bit of a mistake. And to be fair, the few professionals/experts on it actally seem reasonably sensible.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/kids-and-guns

[jimbop1]

America does a lot of things wrongly but it does do the odd thing well...This is one one them.

They broke into his house to steal his belongings and when he intervenes he gets attacked. Good on him I say.

The best part is the other intruder may face a murder charge because it was his fault which it was to anyone with any common sense.

[croyde]

Randy Winkman said:

Here's some good anti-gun stuff (Kids and Guns). And not even on the BBC. Some real sickeners on it - though there is at least a nice bit where the ex-army bloke admits he made a bit of a mistake. And to be fair, the few professionals/experts on it actally seem reasonably sensible.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/kids-and-guns

The 4 year old girl getting a rifle for her birthday. She's more interested in popping the plastic that protected it in the box. Don't blame her at that age.

[Randy Winkman]

jimbop1 said:

America does a lot of things wrongly but it does do the odd thing well...This is one one them.

They broke into his house to steal his belongings and when he intervenes he gets attacked. Good on him I say.

The best part is the other intruder may face a murder charge because it was his fault which it was to anyone with any common sense.

I'm glad I live in a country (England) where I don't even have to give a thought to having a gun or shooting anyone. We must be doing something well here too.

[Axionknight]

In my opinion they clearly thought the old fella, who had been robbed before, was an easy target - and they were wrong.

Tough titty.