US: 'Pregnant' intruder shot dead by home owner
Discussion
Hugo a Gogo said:
the other robber has been charged with murder...
America, eh
Nothing wrong with that, I've heard of that happening before. If you're committing a felony and someone dies, you can be charged with murder. So burst into a shop to rob it with an accomplice, shop owners shoots one robber, and the other one gets life for murder America, eh
KFC said:
onyx39 said:
I find that quite scary.
Why? The scumbags have robbed him multiple times, and injured him at least once. Maybe he feared for his life, maybe he just decided f
k it I'll take this little bh out while I have the chance. Who knows? Its impossible to say.... in situations like that I'd rather just give the benefit of doubt to the 80 year old home owner than the scumbag career burglar.You are saying that, it's acceptable for the owner of the house, to pick up his gun, after they had left the house, chase them out, and stand over the person them, then shoot them, twice in cold blood?
KFC said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
the other robber has been charged with murder...
America, eh
Nothing wrong with that, I've heard of that happening before. If you're committing a felony and someone dies, you can be charged with murder. So burst into a shop to rob it with an accomplice, shop owners shoots one robber, and the other one gets life for murder America, eh
pcvdriver said:
Don't they have the death penalty for murder in California? Just a thought.....
YesCategory State Information
State Abbreviation CA
State Name California
Death Penalty? Yes
Number of Executions Since 1976 13
Number of Executions before 1976 709
Current Death Row Population 742
Women on Death Row 19
Date Death Penalty Re-enacted 01/01/1974
1st Execution After Re-enactment 1992
Murder Rate (per 100,000) 4.9
Is Life Without Parole an Option? Yes
Can a defendant get death for a felony in which s/he was not responsible for the murder? Yes
Number of Innocent Persons Freed From Death Row 3
Number of Clemencies Granted 0
Region West
Method
Choice of Injection or Gas
How is the Sentence Determined?
Jury
Location of Death Row(s) San Quentin (Women: Chowchilla)
Clemency Process
Governor has sole authority to grant clemency
Can see why he shot her if he was being persecuted, he got his chance but really wouldn't a shot to incapacitate her to stop her getting away have been more appropriate ?
However, go burgling peoples houses, especially in gun crazy America then you know that is a possibility, live by the sword, die by the sword.
However, go burgling peoples houses, especially in gun crazy America then you know that is a possibility, live by the sword, die by the sword.
I presume the home owner's legal representative would simply say he took leave of his senses after being robbed and beaten so many times in the past (compounded more so if the owner realised it was the same couple).
Again, a jury may be reluctant to convict so no point going any further.
Again, a jury may be reluctant to convict so no point going any further.
onyx39 said:
OK...lets say, for arguments sake, he was wrong, and it was not the same person who burgled him before, which I am sure you will agree is possible?
Not sure I do agree. In fact I'd say that it's most unlikely that he was wrong about the identity - Given that he'd met them, in similar circumstances several times before....Derek Smith said:
andymadmak said:
I'd agree with most of this, but:
This is America. EVERYONE knows the risks involved in entering someone else's property in this way. The couple appear to be serial criminals with a string of burglaries behind them, and a clear propensity to violence (the 80 year old was injured) Whilst we may struggle with the thought of shooting someone in our green and pleasant land, in the USA the right to defend your home is enshrined in law. It's a different society. Not better or worse, just different. The criminals would have understood the risks they were running in pursuit of their chosen "career"
The discussion is about the bloke's actions. This is America. EVERYONE knows the risks involved in entering someone else's property in this way. The couple appear to be serial criminals with a string of burglaries behind them, and a clear propensity to violence (the 80 year old was injured) Whilst we may struggle with the thought of shooting someone in our green and pleasant land, in the USA the right to defend your home is enshrined in law. It's a different society. Not better or worse, just different. The criminals would have understood the risks they were running in pursuit of their chosen "career"
The law in the USA allows the police to kill a fleeing felon and in some cases civilians. From what was in the report, this woman was not fleeing.
To casually execute a person is not just different. The woman pleaded for her life. I'd suggest you'd have to be sick to pull the trigger, let alone twice, in such circumstances. Whilst the world would probably be better off without the burglars free to commit further offences, I'd trade them for someone who would kill in such a situation.
Hardly the sort of people that should be bringing a child into the world? Great role models as parents.
Headline could have been OAP dies while robbed again in his own home.
I have no sympathy for anyone that breaks into someones home, ransacks it, attacks the owner then asks for mercy when the guy shows a gun.
At 80 Im surprised he had it in him! Seems they were some sort of Bonnie and Clyde pair, maybe they believed they were untouchable since they kept getting away with it.
Much like the farmer in the UK that had had enough and shot the scrotes that repeatedly robbed him.
Headline could have been OAP dies while robbed again in his own home.
I have no sympathy for anyone that breaks into someones home, ransacks it, attacks the owner then asks for mercy when the guy shows a gun.
At 80 Im surprised he had it in him! Seems they were some sort of Bonnie and Clyde pair, maybe they believed they were untouchable since they kept getting away with it.
Much like the farmer in the UK that had had enough and shot the scrotes that repeatedly robbed him.
Derek Smith said:
The discussion is about the bloke's actions.
The law in the USA allows the police to kill a fleeing felon and in some cases civilians. From what was in the report, this woman was not fleeing.
To casually execute a person is not just different. The woman pleaded for her life. I'd suggest you'd have to be sick to pull the trigger, let alone twice, in such circumstances. Whilst the world would probably be better off without the burglars free to commit further offences, I'd trade them for someone who would kill in such a situation.
Sick, or just driven to desperation by repeated burglaries? The law in the USA allows the police to kill a fleeing felon and in some cases civilians. From what was in the report, this woman was not fleeing.
To casually execute a person is not just different. The woman pleaded for her life. I'd suggest you'd have to be sick to pull the trigger, let alone twice, in such circumstances. Whilst the world would probably be better off without the burglars free to commit further offences, I'd trade them for someone who would kill in such a situation.
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