US: 'Pregnant' intruder shot dead by home owner

[croyde]

Probably covered in another thread but there is this and the murderer that was 'cruelly' executed this week as it took him a while to die, well he grunted or snored whilst under sedation.

So what! Bad people got what they deserved and in the case of this couple, stupid as well, considering many US home owners are armed to the teeth and not with piddling little .22 pistols.

[markiii]

probably over the top

I'm not losing any sleep over it though, they are no great loss

[Beati Dogu]

A 65 year old man in Minnesota was recently convicted of murder, after he shot 2 teenage burglars in his basement.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/29/mi...

Mind you he did stake it out and was tape recording the whole thing, including their cries for help.

[Jimbeaux]

Guam said:

Derek Smith said:

The problem in America is that juries are reluctant to convict in such cases in certain areas. Despite the fact that it, apparently, fulfills all the requirement for 1st degree homicide, and a particularly callous one at that, there's no point in prosecuting if there's no likelihood of a conviction.

I feel sorry for the bloke suffering a series of burglaries, but this is cold-blooded execution.

Indeed that guy should go down for that imho.

Yep, a move too far that one was. Although California will will lock you up longer for running over an endangered turtle than for human murder, it still is unneccessary deadly force. I have no sympathy for the repeat offenders, especially seeing as they had no problem injuring old and suppossedly helpless people. Technically though, he was wrong as they were leaving.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 25th July 15:02

[croyde]

The message is don't trespass especially if the land owner is a psycho.

Funny thing is I tend not to steal from properties cos it's wrong.

In the above case the guy should have gone to prison but it would have been simpler for the teens to behave themselves.

Amazes me that anyone in America would even contemplate commiting a crime what with so many guns in civilian hands.

[Jimbeaux]

croyde said:

The message is don't trespass especially if the land owner is a psycho.

Funny thing is I tend not to steal from properties cos it's wrong.

In the above case the guy should have gone to prison but it would have been simpler for the teens to behave themselves.

Amazes me that anyone in America would even contemplate commiting a crime what with so many guns in civilian hands.

"God made man, Sam Colt made them all equal". Old West proverb.

[guards red]

Pistonheads has become a******e central. This and the Peaches thread make me despair.

[Jimbeaux]

guards red said:

Pistonheads has become a******e central. This and the Peaches thread make me despair.

PH is what it has been; the perception of it depends on the position of the perceiver. What's yours?

[loafer123]

guards red said:

Pistonheads has become a******e central. This and the Peaches thread make me despair.

Just because people disagree with your liberal point of view, it does not make them assholes.

Personally, I think that some of the views on the Peaches Geldof threat were extreme, like you, but I can understand why people might hold those views.

In this case, having been repeatedly burgled by the same people, I can understand why a vulnerable old man might have reached the end of his tether. I would have shot to wound but he is a different culture and a different generation to me.

[dingg]

Pity the old guy wasn't a bit quicker on his feet and he could have bagged the chap as well

[Sheepshanks]

greygoose said:

Being a burglar in a country with lots of firearm owners is a risky business.

Bearing that in mind, it's always amazed me how much of a problem burglary is in the US - you'd think people would know better.

Guess it's the same as having the death penalty - yet there are still murders.

[R1gtr]

guards red said:

Pistonheads has become a******e central. This and the Peaches thread make me despair.

Don't come back then, just because people have different views to you, you feel the need to call people aholes.

Personally I think he maybe went a bit too far but he was 80 years old,have you got a 80 year old relative by any chance? imagine they had been turned over by thieves and assaulted on more than one occasion, I bet you would wish the scum a painful death.

Oh the pics of them look like Police mugshots, habitual offenders probably, stupid ones at that, good riddance.

[Art0ir]

J4CKO said:

wouldn't a shot to incapacitate her to stop her getting away have been more appropriate ?

Jesus Christ. Can a serving police officer post a sticky at the top of this forum explaining how there is no such thing as an "incapacitating shot"?

Police and civilians are not Robocop. You aim for the centre of mass and fire.

[guards red]

Jimbeaux said:

PH is what it has been; the perception of it depends on the position of the perceiver. What's yours?

My view can be found in what I said; despair.

[guards red]

R1gtr said:

Don't come back then, just because people have different views to you, you feel the need to call people aholes.

Personally I think he maybe went a bit too far but he was 80 years old,have you got a 80 year old relative by any chance? imagine they had been turned over by thieves and assaulted on more than one occasion, I bet you would wish the scum a painful death.

Oh the pics of them look like Police mugshots, habitual offenders probably, stupid ones at that, good riddance.

Its a view too.. I don't recall aiming that comment at anyone in particular. Only those who recognised themselves in it should be offended.

Edited by guards red on Friday 25th July 16:44

Edited by guards red on Friday 25th July 16:46

[P-Jay]

Beati Dogu said:

A 65 year old man in Minnesota was recently convicted of murder, after he shot 2 teenage burglars in his basement.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/29/mi...

Mind you he did stake it out and was tape recording the whole thing, including their cries for help.

Glad you posted that - I remember it being discussed at the time, but it went away before the case ended and I couldn't find it again. Glad he got sent down - sick fk.

As for this guy, he's executed someone, but the US is a fked up place - the NRA and their huge PR and political sway will defend him simply because he used a gun and won't hear a bad word said about him, the debate will rage on - but there's a lot of people who still think it's the wild west and you should be able to kill someone for breaking into your house, or because the shouted at you, or simply because you're "bad ass".

[HonestIago]

It's quite simple really, don't go robbing homes and you're much less likely to be shot by the armed owners of said homes. It's a simple matter of consequences, in the the US homeowners are highly likely to be armed. The burglars played the game and lost. No sympathy.

How any of you can condemn an 80yo man for acting how he did given the circumstances (burgled before etc) is utterly beyond me. Have any of you defending the burglars been burgled and assaulted before?

[TTwiggy]

I wonder what the outcome would have been if he was a young, fit, black guy who chased the female burglar down and beat her to death with his bare hands?

I'm going out on a limb and suggesting the death penalty.

[onyx39]

HonestIago said:

It's quite simple really, don't go robbing homes and you're much less likely to be shot by the armed owners of said homes. It's a simple matter of consequences, in the the US homeowners are highly likely to be armed. The burglars played the game and lost. No sympathy.

How any of you can condemn an 80yo man for acting how he did given the circumstances (burgled before etc) is utterly beyond me. Have any of you defending the burglars been burgled and assaulted before?

I certainly was not defending the burglars. My point was simply that it is not acceptable to follow someone out of your house and execute them.

[markiii]

TTwiggy said:

I wonder what the outcome would have been if he was a young, fit, black guy who chased the female burglar down and beat her to death with his bare hands?

I'm going out on a limb and suggesting the death penalty.

if you're really going to try and make that point how about you start with an old unfit scared black man

ignoring the age and history nullifies your argument