US: 'Pregnant' intruder shot dead by home owner
Discussion
markiii said:
TTwiggy said:
I wonder what the outcome would have been if he was a young, fit, black guy who chased the female burglar down and beat her to death with his bare hands?
I'm going out on a limb and suggesting the death penalty.
if you're really going to try and make that point how about you start with an old unfit scared black manI'm going out on a limb and suggesting the death penalty.
ignoring the age and history nullifies your argument
TTwiggy said:
I wonder what the outcome would have been if he was a young, fit, black guy who chased the female burglar down and beat her to death with his bare hands?
I'm going out on a limb and suggesting the death penalty.
Or a young fit white guy. It is perhaps the advanced age that would sway the jury, stop trying to pull out the very stale race card. :yawn: Besides, in LA, it is likely to be the white guy that gets picked on for race.I'm going out on a limb and suggesting the death penalty.
P-Jay said:
As for this guy, he's executed someone, but the US is a f
ked up place - the NRA and their huge PR and political sway will defend him simply because he used a gun and won't hear a bad word said about him, the debate will rage on
Ahh, another person living abroad who's got it all figured out and wrapped in a nice and simple package.....not! ked up place - the NRA and their huge PR and political sway will defend him simply because he used a gun and won't hear a bad word said about him, the debate will rage on
guards red said:
Jimbeaux said:
PH is what it has been; the perception of it depends on the position of the perceiver. What's yours?
My view can be found in what I said; despair. Please remember that America has a different culture to the U.K., not only with their gun laws but also in terms of the limits of self defence and protection of property.
I'm not condoning this event, merely stating that it should be treated as a different culture and set of rules in the same way as any other country with different gun laws and different laws.
The problem with English speaking Nations is that it is all too easy to place British values and terms of reference upon them, perhaps in a way we stop short of with non-English speakers.
I'm not condoning this event, merely stating that it should be treated as a different culture and set of rules in the same way as any other country with different gun laws and different laws.
The problem with English speaking Nations is that it is all too easy to place British values and terms of reference upon them, perhaps in a way we stop short of with non-English speakers.
It reads like she was just using that as a ploy to gain sympathy. I don't blame him for shooting her, he has a right to defend himself and his property. Hopefully, justice will prevail and the other one will face life in prison or the death penalty, and this old man will be left to live his days in peace.
With these feet said:
Hardly the sort of people that should be bringing a child into the world? Great role models as parents.
Headline could have been OAP dies while robbed again in his own home.
I have no sympathy for anyone that breaks into someones home, ransacks it, attacks the owner then asks for mercy when the guy shows a gun.
At 80 Im surprised he had it in him! Seems they were some sort of Bonnie and Clyde pair, maybe they believed they were untouchable since they kept getting away with it.
Much like the farmer in the UK that had had enough and shot the scrotes that repeatedly robbed him.
This. Sh*t breeding sh*t plenty over here doing it aswell. Shame he didn't get the other one aswell.Headline could have been OAP dies while robbed again in his own home.
I have no sympathy for anyone that breaks into someones home, ransacks it, attacks the owner then asks for mercy when the guy shows a gun.
At 80 Im surprised he had it in him! Seems they were some sort of Bonnie and Clyde pair, maybe they believed they were untouchable since they kept getting away with it.
Much like the farmer in the UK that had had enough and shot the scrotes that repeatedly robbed him.
article said:
The retiree said he was punched to the floor by both burglars, breaking his collar bone.
article said:
Police said that 28-year-old Andrea Miller was pronounced dead at the scene.
She did not appear to be pregnant, they said, but a post-mortem examination will establish whether she was.
Live by the sword. Die by the sword.She did not appear to be pregnant, they said, but a post-mortem examination will establish whether she was.
Evidently, they felt this OAP was an easy target given the previous burglaries.
Unlucky.
Guam said:
E24man said:
Please remember that America has a different culture to the U.K., not only with their gun laws but also in terms of the limits of self defence and protection of property.
I'm not condoning this event, merely stating that it should be treated as a different culture and set of rules in the same way as any other country with different gun laws and different laws.
The problem with English speaking Nations is that it is all too easy to place British values and terms of reference upon them, perhaps in a way we stop short of with non-English speakers.
Excuse me this is PH we are equal opportunity Xenophobes (hell we are told so every week pretty much).I'm not condoning this event, merely stating that it should be treated as a different culture and set of rules in the same way as any other country with different gun laws and different laws.
The problem with English speaking Nations is that it is all too easy to place British values and terms of reference upon them, perhaps in a way we stop short of with non-English speakers.
So we will slag off "johnny foreigner" whether they speak English or not
kers that lifts up the edge of it 
especially if you no speekie engleesh
I remember enjoying a thread in the lounge a while back where everyone posted about the (really) petty thefts they had committed. So I find it hilarious so many posters think execution is an appropriate punishment for someone stealing your precious tat.
Had these two been threatening him at the time, or even just still within his house, I could sympathise with the man, put myself in his shoes and imagine myself pulling the trigger to protect my family. However, I know I would struggle to live with the consequences for the rest of my days.
The fact that the old coot seems chuffed to bits with himself for killing someone - regardless of the scenario - says all I need to know about the man.
Had these two been threatening him at the time, or even just still within his house, I could sympathise with the man, put myself in his shoes and imagine myself pulling the trigger to protect my family. However, I know I would struggle to live with the consequences for the rest of my days.
The fact that the old coot seems chuffed to bits with himself for killing someone - regardless of the scenario - says all I need to know about the man.
Jimbeaux said:
Don't despair, gun control is not a difficult thing. Use your fingertip on the trigger, not your finger; squeeze, don't pull.
Thank you for that, I find gun control hilarious too. Got any other good ones?Actually, never mind.
Edited by guards red on Friday 25th July 19:34
Wrathalanche said:
I remember enjoying a thread in the lounge a while back where everyone posted about the (really) petty thefts they had committed. So I find it hilarious so many posters think execution is an appropriate punishment for someone stealing your precious tat.
quiteI'd like someone to tell me where the line is; shoplifting - death? scrumping apples - death? taking two hobnobs instead of one?
also, shoot them in the house, ok, outside the house down an alleyway, ok, follow them home? bump into them and shoot them several years later?
Edited by Hugo a Gogo on Friday 25th July 19:19
loafer123 said:
Just because people disagree with your liberal point of view,
Since when is belief in the rule of law a liberal point of view? Come to that, since when has lynch mob rule become right wing (one would assume as the opposite)?This chap murdered someone. Not being the done thing to execute someone on assumptions is hardly liberal.
Come to that, since when has liberal become a term of criticism, and on PH, contempt?
Perhaps we should also be looking at the local law enforcement. These two were not first time offenders.... if society took a stronger view on 'petty' crime (even calling that devalues it) then we would not find ourselves in this situation.
If we look at the number of recent incidences similar to this, nearly all of home owners are reacting to multiple thefts, not just one offs.
So if the first time offenders had a big enough deterrent not to re-offend then many of these situations would be avoided.
Chris
If we look at the number of recent incidences similar to this, nearly all of home owners are reacting to multiple thefts, not just one offs.
So if the first time offenders had a big enough deterrent not to re-offend then many of these situations would be avoided.
Chris
andymadmak said:
Derek Smith said:
andymadmak said:
I'd agree with most of this, but:
This is America. EVERYONE knows the risks involved in entering someone else's property in this way. The couple appear to be serial criminals with a string of burglaries behind them, and a clear propensity to violence (the 80 year old was injured) Whilst we may struggle with the thought of shooting someone in our green and pleasant land, in the USA the right to defend your home is enshrined in law. It's a different society. Not better or worse, just different. The criminals would have understood the risks they were running in pursuit of their chosen "career"
The discussion is about the bloke's actions. This is America. EVERYONE knows the risks involved in entering someone else's property in this way. The couple appear to be serial criminals with a string of burglaries behind them, and a clear propensity to violence (the 80 year old was injured) Whilst we may struggle with the thought of shooting someone in our green and pleasant land, in the USA the right to defend your home is enshrined in law. It's a different society. Not better or worse, just different. The criminals would have understood the risks they were running in pursuit of their chosen "career"
The law in the USA allows the police to kill a fleeing felon and in some cases civilians. From what was in the report, this woman was not fleeing.
To casually execute a person is not just different. The woman pleaded for her life. I'd suggest you'd have to be sick to pull the trigger, let alone twice, in such circumstances. Whilst the world would probably be better off without the burglars free to commit further offences, I'd trade them for someone who would kill in such a situation.
E24man said:
Please remember that America has a different culture to the U.K., not only with their gun laws but also in terms of the limits of self defence and protection of property.
I'm not condoning this event, merely stating that it should be treated as a different culture and set of rules in the same way as any other country with different gun laws and different laws.
The problem with English speaking Nations is that it is all too easy to place British values and terms of reference upon them, perhaps in a way we stop short of with non-English speakers.
That is well said. If I may add a further complexity: Much was obviously adopted from Britain to form the US; however, on the flip side, much is contrasting as those things may have been major reasons for the rebellion in the first place. Adopted some things while rejecting others; it can confuse. Just a thought. I'm not condoning this event, merely stating that it should be treated as a different culture and set of rules in the same way as any other country with different gun laws and different laws.
The problem with English speaking Nations is that it is all too easy to place British values and terms of reference upon them, perhaps in a way we stop short of with non-English speakers.
g3org3y said:
article said:
The retiree said he was punched to the floor by both burglars, breaking his collar bone.
article said:
Police said that 28-year-old Andrea Miller was pronounced dead at the scene.
She did not appear to be pregnant, they said, but a post-mortem examination will establish whether she was.
Live by the sword. Die by the sword.She did not appear to be pregnant, they said, but a post-mortem examination will establish whether she was.
Evidently, they felt this OAP was an easy target given the previous burglaries.
Unlucky.
Wrathalanche said:
I remember enjoying a thread in the lounge a while back where everyone posted about the (really) petty thefts they had committed. So I find it hilarious so many posters think execution is an appropriate punishment for someone stealing your precious tat.
Had these two been threatening him at the time, or even just still within his house, I could sympathise with the man, put myself in his shoes and imagine myself pulling the trigger to protect my family. However, I know I would struggle to live with the consequences for the rest of my days.
The fact that the old coot seems chuffed to bits with himself for killing someone - regardless of the scenario - says all I need to know about the man.
After multiple robberies and a beat down with a broken bone?Had these two been threatening him at the time, or even just still within his house, I could sympathise with the man, put myself in his shoes and imagine myself pulling the trigger to protect my family. However, I know I would struggle to live with the consequences for the rest of my days.
The fact that the old coot seems chuffed to bits with himself for killing someone - regardless of the scenario - says all I need to know about the man.
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