Peace between Israel and Palestine
Discussion
MX7 said:
Ayahuasca said:
Stuff.
Regicide? Again?Ayahuasca said:
Yes but regicide with the replacement infrastructre set up and waiting to go. Have a look at Chile, Panama, Grenada, etc for how it is done. Chile and Panama are now regional economic power-houses. Comfortably-off people make bad revolutionaries.
It's not the same. For a variety of reasons, it doesn't work in Arab countries. I agree about the giving Palestinians economic independence though. If they live under control from Jordan and Egypt, and they have some real prospects, their desire for conflict will diminish.
MX7,
My suggested solution from pages back:
But yeah, the Israelis should support Fatah, evacuate the West Bank of Israeli settlements (plus land to the East of that) make that the new Palestine, make sure Gazans see that as a Fatah/Israel accomplishment, undermine Hamas, invite Gazans to the new promised land in the West Bank, make Jerusalem a special status shared capital.
My suggested solution from pages back:
But yeah, the Israelis should support Fatah, evacuate the West Bank of Israeli settlements (plus land to the East of that) make that the new Palestine, make sure Gazans see that as a Fatah/Israel accomplishment, undermine Hamas, invite Gazans to the new promised land in the West Bank, make Jerusalem a special status shared capital.
How about a 2 state solution, with an independent Palestine, existing in a kind of Honk Kong style lease agreement from Israel.
So a country is created, somehow from what is currently Israel, Gaza and the Westbank, ( I haven't thought the logistics thru really) that is solely a Palestinian state, but ultimately owned by Israel, who get to take control if the inhabitants threaten Israel's security. UN overseers to monitor the Palestinian state to ensure no trouble, and monitor Israel to ensure no provocation for trouble. In 50 yrs, the Palestinians get to own it outright providing they've "behaved themselves" for want of a better term.
Hopefully after 50 yrs of peaceful co-existence there'd be little appetite for further war.
Probably a crap idea.
So a country is created, somehow from what is currently Israel, Gaza and the Westbank, ( I haven't thought the logistics thru really) that is solely a Palestinian state, but ultimately owned by Israel, who get to take control if the inhabitants threaten Israel's security. UN overseers to monitor the Palestinian state to ensure no trouble, and monitor Israel to ensure no provocation for trouble. In 50 yrs, the Palestinians get to own it outright providing they've "behaved themselves" for want of a better term.
Hopefully after 50 yrs of peaceful co-existence there'd be little appetite for further war.
Probably a crap idea.
k alone, and as an inducement to the Israelis to make them give up land because they know Palestine has an incentive to leave them alone. anonymous said:
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After '47 Jews couldn't live in Jordan. Do we see a 'right to return' there too? This thread is about looking to the future. How could peace be achieved? I think there are a few key factors. Firstly, no sectarian conflict. Then economic independence, and proper governance and policing.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
How about a 2 state solution, with an independent Palestine, existing in a kind of Honk Kong style lease agreement from Israel.
So a country is created, somehow from what is currently Israel, Gaza and the Westbank, ( I haven't thought the logistics thru really) that is solely a Palestinian state, but ultimately owned by Israel, who get to take control if the inhabitants threaten Israel's security. UN overseers to monitor the Palestinian state to ensure no trouble, and monitor Israel to ensure no provocation for trouble. In 50 yrs, the Palestinians get to own it outright providing they've "behaved themselves" for want of a better term.
Hopefully after 50 yrs of peaceful co-existence there'd be little appetite for further war.
Probably a crap idea.
I think that's horrible on every level. So a country is created, somehow from what is currently Israel, Gaza and the Westbank, ( I haven't thought the logistics thru really) that is solely a Palestinian state, but ultimately owned by Israel, who get to take control if the inhabitants threaten Israel's security. UN overseers to monitor the Palestinian state to ensure no trouble, and monitor Israel to ensure no provocation for trouble. In 50 yrs, the Palestinians get to own it outright providing they've "behaved themselves" for want of a better term.
Hopefully after 50 yrs of peaceful co-existence there'd be little appetite for further war.
Probably a crap idea.
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