Peace between Israel and Palestine
Discussion
anonymous said:
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No, probably not. Who would want to live under any Arab rule? Millions of Arabs and Muslims would prefer to live in a Western society because Arabs and most Muslims are generally incapable of any form of democracy, freedom, liberty or equal rights. That's not to say that they shouldn't have a right to return though, and if you're going to advocate an Arab 'Right to Return', you'd also have to equally advocate a Jewish one, not only in Jordan, but all over the Middle East. What you're doing is aggravating the situation even further. A partition is needed, and in effect most of the Middle East has been purified of Jews over the years, and now the final area of conflict, the West Bank, if Gaza goes back to Egypt, needs to be purified of Arabs before any real peace can be achieved.
Given the money that's been pumped into 'Palestine' over the past 70ish years, many many times more than Germany received under the Marshall Plan, a redevelopment period of 10-20 years to achieve real peace will be worth it in my opinion. I also think that in that time the 'Arab Spring', which to me seems like an euphemism for killing anyone who you disagree with, will or might be resolved. The problem seems to be that for each step the Muslim world takes towards democracy, the more likely it is that a violent and fundamentalist paramilitary group will rise up.
I'm surprised how little attention this thread gets. Castigating Israel or Hamas on PH is of little value. I think it's far more interesting to discuss how this could be resolved, so I do thank you VK for keeping the discussion going. The other Israel thread is pointless beyond belief.
It seems extraordinary to me that a land division from WW2 is still being discussed. Bitterness to Germans would look ludicrous now in Europe. I remember 40 years ago people said that they wouldn't buy a Merc, but now? Yet we really did f
k up the partition so badly that 55+ year old decision is still being debated, and I think it needs something really drastic, and undoubtedly decisive, to make sure that we're not talking about this in another 50 years. Purity14 said:
Israel should give the land back, and get be removed from that region.
The bible does say they can live in "the land of milk and honey"
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Unless I'm mistaken thats two primary ingredients of toblerones.The bible does say they can live in "the land of milk and honey"
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Best keep this quiet, if they realise their mistake the IDF will start shelling Zurich.
MX7 said:
It seems extraordinary to me that a land division from WW2 is still being discussed. Bitterness to Germans would look ludicrous now in Europe. I remember 40 years ago people said that they wouldn't buy a Merc, but now? Yet we really did fk up the partition so badly that 55+ year old decision is still being debated, and I think it needs something really drastic, and undoubtedly decisive, to make sure that we're not talking about this in another 50 years.
Yes, the West (and the Turks) f*cked up. It did so with the borders in much of Africa -- the northern and southern bit -- and the rest of the Middle East. A complete mess. And much of it dates back further than WW2. k up the partition so badly that 55+ year old decision is still being debated, and I think it needs something really drastic, and undoubtedly decisive, to make sure that we're not talking about this in another 50 years. Without even giving the issue serious thought, the Berber, Druze and Kurds all have some kind of "homeland" issue.
MX7 said:
No, probably not. Who would want to live under any Arab rule? Millions of Arabs and Muslims would prefer to live in a Western society because Arabs and most Muslims are generally incapable of any form of democracy, freedom, liberty or equal rights. That's not to say that they shouldn't have a right to return though, and if you're going to advocate an Arab 'Right to Return', you'd also have to equally advocate a Jewish one, not only in Jordan, but all over the Middle East.
What you're doing is aggravating the situation even further. A partition is needed, and in effect most of the Middle East has been purified of Jews over the years, and now the final area of conflict, the West Bank, if Gaza goes back to Egypt, needs to be purified of Arabs before any real peace can be achieved.
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MX7, appreciate your passion on this subject and some good points you have raised.What you're doing is aggravating the situation even further. A partition is needed, and in effect most of the Middle East has been purified of Jews over the years, and now the final area of conflict, the West Bank, if Gaza goes back to Egypt, needs to be purified of Arabs before any real peace can be achieved.
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To "purify the West Bank", divest Gaza is not a solution. A partition of some sort? Why not - north-south? Painful but if it brings peace.
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