Is Ed Balls the most annoying politician ever?
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For a little light reading search IDS ignoring the words of whistle blowers at DWP and ATOS causing the resignation of a top bod from ATOS - it mentions all departments but it's disability allowance that concerns me most.
What's the phrase? "Judge a society by the way it treats it's lowest members"?
This will give you option c) total ignorance.
I asked you to 'imagine' a scenario - your retort? "Jackanory" - well, yes - that's the premise of imagination...
I 'imagined' your response would end in another attack on Labours record.
Guess what? Imagination really does work.
What's the phrase? "Judge a society by the way it treats it's lowest members"?
This will give you option c) total ignorance.
I asked you to 'imagine' a scenario - your retort? "Jackanory" - well, yes - that's the premise of imagination...
I 'imagined' your response would end in another attack on Labours record.
Guess what? Imagination really does work.
Where are the first hand accounts of the whistleblowers to be found?
We keep hearing about them but I can't recall seeing anything substantive.
Rather than open ended Googling, if somebody has seen it all, and knows where it can be found, why not just post up and be done with it? If done already, a link and a quote from a previous post would be helpful. TIA.
We keep hearing about them but I can't recall seeing anything substantive.
Rather than open ended Googling, if somebody has seen it all, and knows where it can be found, why not just post up and be done with it? If done already, a link and a quote from a previous post would be helpful. TIA.
Walford said:
post the link,
Since you asked so nicely...IDS ignoring whistle blower:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/iain-du...
The whistleblowers reasoning:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jul/31/ato...
A nurse on the frontline:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nu...
I'm a big fan of Labour. I want lower energy bills, lower train fares, higher minimum wage and huge taxes for fatcats. Only Labour can deliver on these promises.
Cameroon and his bunch of public school incompetents have ruined the fabric of this once great nation with cuts and more cuts.
Cameroon and his bunch of public school incompetents have ruined the fabric of this once great nation with cuts and more cuts.
threespires said:
I'm a big fan of Labour. I want lower energy bills, lower train fares, higher minimum wage and huge taxes for fatcats. Only Labour can deliver on these promises.
Cameroon and his bunch of public school incompetents have ruined the fabric of this once great nation with cuts and more cuts.
What?? Is this humour? Cameroon and his bunch of public school incompetents have ruined the fabric of this once great nation with cuts and more cuts.
If not, please tell me what has been cut? The rate of increase has been slowed in most departmental budgets, very few have actually been cut.
threespires said:
I'm a big fan of Labour. I want lower energy bills, lower train fares, higher minimum wage and huge taxes for fatcats. Only Labour can deliver on these promises.
Cameroon and his bunch of public school incompetents have ruined the fabric of this once great nation with cuts and more cuts.
Don't we all mate. True conservatism favours rewards for success, not an old boy network, which is not capitalism it is a cartel. Lower energy bills? Blame the civil service who should have signed off new nuckear years ago. Higher minimum wage won't solve anything, the cost of living is too high, in part blame the dash for btl caused by your mate brown. Btw public spending is rising this parliament. Voting for labour won't return us to the easy years 1997-2007. Cameroon and his bunch of public school incompetents have ruined the fabric of this once great nation with cuts and more cuts.
markcoznottz said:
threespires said:
I'm a big fan of Labour. I want lower energy bills, lower train fares, higher minimum wage and huge taxes for fatcats. Only Labour can deliver on these promises.
Cameroon and his bunch of public school incompetents have ruined the fabric of this once great nation with cuts and more cuts.
Don't we all mate. True conservatism favours rewards for success, not an old boy network, which is not capitalism it is a cartel. Lower energy bills? Blame Cameroon and his bunch of public school incompetents have ruined the fabric of this once great nation with cuts and more cuts.
mercGLowner said:
threespires said:
I'm a big fan of Labour. I want lower energy bills, lower train fares, higher minimum wage and huge taxes for fatcats. Only Labour can deliver on these promises.
Cameroon and his bunch of public school incompetents have ruined the fabric of this once great nation with cuts and more cuts.
What?? Is this humour? Cameroon and his bunch of public school incompetents have ruined the fabric of this once great nation with cuts and more cuts.
If not, please tell me what has been cut? The rate of increase has been slowed in most departmental budgets, very few have actually been cut.
Miliband was the man who introduced a lot of the green taxes. At the time he actually said he expected bills to rise. I assume everyone knew this?
Green bits are in, erm, green.
DECC reckons those 'green' costs are as follows...
Renewables Obligation: (£30) introduced from 2002, requires energy companies to source increasing proportions of their energy from renewables.
EU Emissions Trading System: (£8) came into effect from 2005, allows companies to trade emissions allowances under a greenhouse emissions cap.
Feed-in-Tariffs: (£7) came into effect from April 2010, allows customers to make money from their own small-scale electricity generation.
Smart Meters and ‘Better Billing’: (£3) first put out to consultation by Labour, now being implemented under the Coalition. These give consumers more information about their own energy consumption and costs.
Warm Home Discount: (£11) introduced in 2011, requires energy suppliers to help fund fuel bill rebates for low income customers. The cost is an average across all households, although in practice it acts to subsidise those households which are eligible for it.
Energy Companies Obligation: (£47) introduced in 2013, requires energy companies to deliver energy efficient measures to poorer customers.
Carbon Price Floor: (£5) came into effect in April 2013, taxes fossil fuel emissions used to generate electricity.
You'll note I've put the charges the nasty Tories have brought in on their watch in bold. Spot a low income theme?
Add on the EU effect of closing anything generation-wise that might make a polar bear cough, zilch investment for the past decade, and prices will just keep on going up. Maybe Ed's price freeze will work eh? If he sneaks it in under the radar before the power companies have a chance to put their prices up or divert new capacity investment elsewhere? Whoopsie.
Fatcat bankers - tax 'em, charge 'em, spend the money elsewhere - right? The Ed's will split it umpteen ways so far... laughable if it wasn't so serious.
http://order-order.com/2014/03/10/guy-news-ed-mili...
And as said above, for the hard of thinking, most of the cuts are merely a reduction in the unsustainable rate of increase left by Balls's pals. Slash and burn. 'Sorry minister there's no money left' was the phrase I think? Roll on 2015. Last one out turn the lights off. Oh.
Edited by andy43 on Saturday 2nd August 18:57
rupert the dog said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
The fact that Labour are in as strong a position in the polls as they are, given their past performance, and manifest complete lack of credibility, policy, trustworthiness, etc. etc. says all you need to know about the current coalition gov't
Fixed that for you.legzr1 said:
Wombat3 said:
The point at issue though is whether there has been a deliberate policy to undermine those in genuine need and I see no evidence that there has been or is.
What there is is a policy to weed out the cheats and fraudsters who have been claiming things they weren't entitled to, and quite rightly so.
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Here's what happened (all evidenced by whistle blowers on the inside who, and with all due respect, know a bit more about it that you) - a conscious, deliberate plan was hatched to systematically refuse benefits to a whole swathe of claimants.What there is is a policy to weed out the cheats and fraudsters who have been claiming things they weren't entitled to, and quite rightly so.
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Yes or no?
legzr1 said:
This in full knowledge that a sizeable amount would be genuine and would be caught up in the net - terminally ill patients (some with weeks to live) left without cash and told to appeal the decision.
You seem fine with this just as long as the scrounges are caught - madness.
Shoot first, ask questions later?
Fair game as long as the treasury pocket enough cash to fund the tax cut a month before the election?
The point at issue here is not that mistakes have been made (because surely they have) but that you are clearly insinuating its deliberate government policy. That is what you are saying is it not?You seem fine with this just as long as the scrounges are caught - madness.
Shoot first, ask questions later?
Fair game as long as the treasury pocket enough cash to fund the tax cut a month before the election?
Did you bother your arse to read the links I provided earlier giving details of what was going on?
No or no?
Did you notice the comments and accusations made by a director of the company involved and frontline staff involved in the dirty little policy in the links you haven't bother reading?
No or no?
Does the fact that the minister in charge totally ignored warnings over the way his policy was affecting the lives of the most vulnerable in society and led to the resignation of a senior member of the company carrying out government wishes bother you?
No or,....you get the idea don't you?
No or no?
Did you notice the comments and accusations made by a director of the company involved and frontline staff involved in the dirty little policy in the links you haven't bother reading?
No or no?
Does the fact that the minister in charge totally ignored warnings over the way his policy was affecting the lives of the most vulnerable in society and led to the resignation of a senior member of the company carrying out government wishes bother you?
No or,....you get the idea don't you?
legzr1 said:
Did you bother your arse to read the links I provided earlier giving details of what was going on?
No or no?
Did you notice the comments and accusations made by a director of the company involved and frontline staff involved in the dirty little policy in the links you haven't bother reading?
No or no?
Does the fact that the minister in charge totally ignored warnings over the way his policy was affecting the lives of the most vulnerable in society and led to the resignation of a senior member of the company carrying out government wishes bother you?
No or,....you get the idea don't you?
The point at issue is for you to substantiate the insinuation that his "policy" comes from the heart of government. No or no?
Did you notice the comments and accusations made by a director of the company involved and frontline staff involved in the dirty little policy in the links you haven't bother reading?
No or no?
Does the fact that the minister in charge totally ignored warnings over the way his policy was affecting the lives of the most vulnerable in society and led to the resignation of a senior member of the company carrying out government wishes bother you?
No or,....you get the idea don't you?
Not interested in "Whistleblowers" who may or may not have who knows what agenda.
You have made the link to government policy, can you properly substantiate it?
Are you deliberately trying to be awkward?
Cabinet instructs minister, minister instructs department, department do the dirty.
Frontline staff report major issues to department heads - no changes.
Frontline staff report major issues to minister - no change.
Director of ATOS resorts to direct contact with IDS - no change.
The vulnerable are ignored, frontline nursing staff are ignored, directors are ignored, resigning directors revealing all to the press are ignored.
Then along comes a wombat that knows everything without reading anything.
PH at it's shabbiest.
Cabinet instructs minister, minister instructs department, department do the dirty.
Frontline staff report major issues to department heads - no changes.
Frontline staff report major issues to minister - no change.
Director of ATOS resorts to direct contact with IDS - no change.
The vulnerable are ignored, frontline nursing staff are ignored, directors are ignored, resigning directors revealing all to the press are ignored.
Then along comes a wombat that knows everything without reading anything.
PH at it's shabbiest.
legzr1 said:
Are you deliberately trying to be awkward?
Cabinet instructs minister, minister instructs department, department do the dirty.
Frontline staff report major issues to department heads - no changes.
Frontline staff report major issues to minister - no change.
Director of ATOS resorts to direct contact with IDS - no change.
The vulnerable are ignored, frontline nursing staff are ignored, directors are ignored, resigning directors revealing all to the press are ignored.
Then along comes a wombat that knows everything without reading anything.
PH at it's shabbiest.
I read your articles published by publications with political agendas. Noted that all the accusations in those articles are about a private company. None of them (that I can see) make a direct link or accusation relating to these things being government policy regardless of what you would like to have us believe.Cabinet instructs minister, minister instructs department, department do the dirty.
Frontline staff report major issues to department heads - no changes.
Frontline staff report major issues to minister - no change.
Director of ATOS resorts to direct contact with IDS - no change.
The vulnerable are ignored, frontline nursing staff are ignored, directors are ignored, resigning directors revealing all to the press are ignored.
Then along comes a wombat that knows everything without reading anything.
PH at it's shabbiest.
I have also said that there is no doubt mistakes are made and how do you know that everything is being ignored as you suggest?
Meanwhile, how many diagnoses are correct? What percentage of diagnoses are in fact wrong? I have no idea but I very much suspect the former figure is massively larger than the latter. There are casualties from this exercise, no doubt about it and in an ideal world there would not be, but just because some mistakes are made is not a reason to stop the exercise.
I have no sympathy with hand-wringing nonsense and Ostrich-like behaviour & people who can't even bring themselves to acknowledge that there is a massive problem in this country that starts with the concept of the "magic money tree". Stuff happens, some of it is s
t but that's no reason to ignore the bigger picture because if you do then even more bad st happens.Our generation has screwed up massively on a number of levels, not least of which is that by 2018/19 we will be spending £75Bn a year on debt interest alone - approximately 75% of the current NHS budget. At this date we are still overspending by £100Bn a year, its not sustainable & the reality is we have champagne tastes & beer income.
....but I expect you think we can fix that by taxing bankers.
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