Don't rub Max Mosley up the wrong way

[Jonesy23]

Eric Mc said:

I noticed in the Channel 4 report that the candidate to which the leaflet referred was a certain Mr Hesketh. Is there any connection between that "Mr Hesketh" and the later Hesketh F1 team?

Nope, just a bloke from Manchester.

Chrisgr31 said:

How does he afford all this? His role on the FIA was unpaid wasnt it?

Inherited family money, grounded in their Manchester interests.

[gooner1]

Eric Mc said:

I noticed in the Channel 4 report that the candidate to which the leaflet referred was a certain Mr Hesketh. Is there any connection between that "Mr Hesketh" and the later Hesketh F1 team?

I doubt it Eric, this particular Hesketh, Walter, was jailed in 1967 for fraud.
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[Eric Mc]

Interesting. I might do a bit of research on Walter Hesketh.

[hairyben]

Jonesy23 said:

Murph7355 said:

CoolHands said:

Why have the DM got it in for him? They’ve really gone to town on him, and I think most of the public actually couldn’t give much of a st...

Hell hath no fury like a newspaper scorned...

Maybe because of a couple of things:

- Providing the vast majority of if not all the funding for Impress, the press regulator that hates the press and which the newspapers refuse to sign up to despite the stringent penalties for not doing so. Of course he denies this as the money is suitably laundered so it isn't a direct payment and he can claim he isn't in control.

- The way he's currently trying to misuse the Data Protection Act to stop the press ever mentioning again any of his little foibles. Like the 'orgy', or his alleged history as a fascist and all that involved.

The fascism claim is a bit difficult to dodge when there's supposedly documents and film of him in action which make the current 'far right' look a bit soft. Of course he strongly denies any suggestion that he was ever a violent racist fascist with a sideline in Jew-bashing.

Though his attempted warping of the DPA means that facts won't matter if he doesn't want you talking about stuff.

very much. In short, he's made himself newspaper enemy number 1 by trying to censor them, in an era when newspapers are already losing their relevance in terms of what they can print vs. what you can read on the net. They're only ever going to bite you as hard as they can.

Says much for his utter megalomania that at 80 odd and by most standards a bit of a disgrace, he's still courting publicity trying to correct the world as he sees fit.

[JagLover]

CoolHands said:

Why have the DM got it in for him? They’ve really gone to town on him, and I think most of the public actually couldn’t give much of a st

Says I lot about the public if that's the case.

He is one of the prime movers in the bid to curtail press freedom. Now being revealed for what he really is.

[Derek Smith]

Chrisgr31 said:

How does he afford all this? His role on the FIA was unpaid wasnt it?

I think you are wrong. It must be paid. He lived the champagne life. How could he do that if he was not gainfully employed?

[hyphen]

Chrisgr31 said:

How does he afford all this?

Tax dodger, resident of Monaco. Doesn't even pay tax here and is meddling, which makes it look even worse on him, and on the labour mp's who take the cash from him.

Had a racing career, and engineering firm so guess made cash from that before went under, suspect inherited a bit too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Mosley

Edited by hyphen on Wednesday 28th February 08:43

[Murph7355]

hyphen said:

Tax dodger, resident of Monaco. Doesn't even pay tax here and is meddling, which makes it look even worse on him, and on the labour mp's who take the cash from him.

Had a racing career, and engineering firm so guess made cash from that before went under, suspect inherited a bit too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Mosley

Edited by hyphen on Wednesday 28th February 08:43

Don't also forget that he has friends with tons of cash who never give him really large financial gifts...

[carinaman]

So is Tom Watson accepting donations from a tax dodger?

Does the Mosley 'family trust' legitimise money gained without paying tax?

[Unexpected Item In The Bagging Area]

Derek Smith said:

Chrisgr31 said:

How does he afford all this? His role on the FIA was unpaid wasnt it?

I think you are wrong. It must be paid. He lived the champagne life. How could he do that if he was not gainfully employed?

See above - his family retains wealth from historical land ownership.

[mandos_01]

The irony of the Daily Mail calling out anyone for supporting fascism and being racist

Hurrah for the Blackshirts and all that

A disgusting newspaper going after a fairly disgusting individual, difficult to take a side

[hyphen]

carinaman said:

So is Tom Watson accepting donations from a tax dodger?

Does the Mosley 'family trust' legitimise money gained without paying tax?

I suspect Watson was paid from a separate stash that was taxed seeing how high profile he is. But as per Wiki, Mosley is still 'resident' in Monaco.

[epom]

In fairness, if rubbing up Mosley in anyway it seems the harder the better.

[rubystone]

NomduJour said:

He's been in with Watson for a few years, as they both have an anti-Murdoch agenda.

Actually it’s more about the farcical situation of the self regulated press complaints body. Private Eye is on their side on that one.

[rubystone]

hyphen said:

All papers are rising up against Mosley. Since his Nazi sex dungeon stuff was exposed, he has been attempting to buy press regulation, donating to parties and secretly funding a new state approved regulator that no newspaper is willing to sign up to, various campaign groups and the National Union of Journalists all against him.

Based on everything I haver read about him, he appears to be a nasty piece of work.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/15/max-mo...

Well done Mail, hope the perjury charge sticks.

Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 27th February 21:57

Of course all papers are rising up against him. He’s trying to have a truly independent regulator established so that the press cannot continue to persecute innocent people. Say what you like about the man (well, maybe not...) but his motives in this case will help others

[rubystone]

Derek Smith said:

He denies funding the press regulatory body but admits to funding the body that's funding the regulatory body. Private Eye has much on this. It is scary that a bloke with such a history should be allowed to influence the freedom on the press.

He was, after all, a candidate for the Union Movement, the post war reincarnation of the British Union of Fascists. The literature that the party produced, reportedly authored by Ozzy's wife, one of the weird Mitford women, was repulsive in its racist language. Really quite vile.

I think your description does not go far enough.

Derek, you really need to understand the current situation regarding the ‘regulation’ of the press...

[JagLover]

rubystone said:

Of course all papers are rising up against him. He’s trying to have a truly independent regulator established so that the press cannot continue to persecute innocent people. Say what you like about the man (well, maybe not...) but his motives in this case will help others

He's trying to have a regulator appointed controlled by him, and those like him, so that the papers never dare print stories about the powerful.

A free press is one of the foundations of democracy but many would be happy to sign it away because they don't like the political biases of some of those papers.

[Derek Smith]

JagLover said:

rubystone said:

Of course all papers are rising up against him. He’s trying to have a truly independent regulator established so that the press cannot continue to persecute innocent people. Say what you like about the man (well, maybe not...) but his motives in this case will help others

He's trying to have a regulator appointed controlled by him, and those like him, so that the papers never dare print stories about the powerful.

A free press is one of the foundations of democracy but many would be happy to sign it away because they don't like the political biases of some of those papers.

Indeed. The fourth estate has always been a mixed blessing but it is an essential. It means that there is a check, an ever more threatened one for various reasons. The purpose of the regulatory body is, essentially, to muffle the press. In other scenarios it can silence it.

We can argue all we want about doorstepping and such, but the press is a bulwark against those who wish to control us for their own benefit.

Fascism includes a controlled press. It is part and parcel of the control that the state would use on the population. Mosley was involved in the Union Movement, the post war incarnation of the British Union of Fascists.

I know it is easy for someone unlikely to come to the notice of the press to suggest that it is a price we have to pay for democracy, but that doesn't make me wrong. A country run on the principles of the Union Movement is not one that is comfortable to live in, as the History Channel will show.

We have some awful papers, but I'm sure that other essential, sewers, are just as awful. But we need them.

[hairyben]

rubystone said:

hyphen said:

All papers are rising up against Mosley. Since his Nazi sex dungeon stuff was exposed, he has been attempting to buy press regulation, donating to parties and secretly funding a new state approved regulator that no newspaper is willing to sign up to, various campaign groups and the National Union of Journalists all against him.

Based on everything I haver read about him, he appears to be a nasty piece of work.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/15/max-mo...

Well done Mail, hope the perjury charge sticks.

Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 27th February 21:57

Of course all papers are rising up against him. He’s trying to have a truly independent regulator established so that the press cannot continue to persecute innocent people. Say what you like about the man (well, maybe not...) but his motives in this case will help others

are you for real?

Free press is the guard dog of democracy. Guard dogs aren't family pets.

[Derek Smith]

rubystone said:

Derek, you really need to understand the current situation regarding the ‘regulation’ of the press...

Not a very helpful post. I've no idea why you should think that I don't know about the current situation. However, it has no bearing on its suggested replacement. The new body should be judged on what it does and what it can do.