Don't rub Max Mosley up the wrong way
Discussion
pcvdriver said:
REALIST123 said:
Ooh yes, I'd like to believe that one............
Well, Diane Guinness (nee Mitford) was very fond of her "Uncle Wolf" as she called Hitler. She was quite flighty too, much to the disapproval of her family...... So who's going to ask Max for a DNA sample then? 
However, Unity Valkrie Mitford, who was very friendly with Hitler, returned to this country with a story of her having shot herself in the head and missed her brain. Given what I've read of the woman, this is entirely possible. However, when flown back to this country from hospital in Switzerland where she had been taken from Germany after the start of the war, she was taken immediately to a hospital, not the nearest to the airfield, not the one with the best A&E, but a maternity hosp. As you do. The details were put under wraps by the government but some were released 10 or so years ago, and the article was based on this. There was a TV programme. Max Rufus was born about the same time and this is what was mentioned.
Much of the information on the Mitford girls, at least the nutty ones, was apparently covered up by the government with a 100 year block on the information coming out. However, there seems to be some odd coincidences that do suggest that Hitler's baby was indeed born in this country. Some have been released which shed some doubt of the official 'at death's door' report. She was, it was suggested, having an affair with an RAF pilot during the war.
There are other rumours, which I feel sure Haymarket would not appreciate being published on here, and they are rather compelling.
Hitler had a nephew who lived in the UK for a while and then emigrated, with his parents, to the USA. His name was Brian. Would Hitler have been quite so scary if he'd been called Brian? I think not.
Ozzy (as his friends call him) Mosley was interned during WWII given his close friendship with AH and his tendencies. His wife joined him later. He was treated exactly the same as any other threat to the country and had his own little house in the grounds where the other inmates used to tend a little vegetable patch in his garden. Then there was one of those technical mix-ups and some official thought the war had ended in 1943 and they were released.
Always wondered about Operation Valkyrie.
I seem to remember that Diane Mitford wanted to christen Max with a German name. Read into that what you want. The author of the article did I think.
Corrigenda.
The article was by an Observer journalist but was published in the New Statesman. The TV programme was broadcast on Ch 4.
And the German nickname I mentioned would appear to be a bit more than that according to Wiki, which I quote:
. . . whom she [Diana Mitford/Mosley] had christened Entschlossener (determined one) . . .
The article was by an Observer journalist but was published in the New Statesman. The TV programme was broadcast on Ch 4.
And the German nickname I mentioned would appear to be a bit more than that according to Wiki, which I quote:
. . . whom she [Diana Mitford/Mosley] had christened Entschlossener (determined one) . . .
pcvdriver said:
Derek Smith said:
The most remarkable thing about all of this is the man's lack of shame. He bought women to beat and humiliate, dressing them in prison garb, very much like that used in extermination camps in the war, and inspected them for lice - but let's make this clear, it was nothing to do with Nazies, even though the women were dressed, manikin-like, in German military uniform.
This man is quite repulsive.
All he does every time he puts his head above the parapet is put himself in the firing line again.
He said that the expose of his prostitute orgy was humiliating. Well he must like being humiliated. Oh, wait . . . I suddenly see.
All this hype about the right to know things about this obnoxious man is to make it more likely that the EU court ruling will be ignored. This is not about privacy, it is about knowing who gets their socks of beating and humiliating women.
Next he'll be wanting his history of vile, ultra-right-wing politics to be taken from the internet search engines.
Not to mention him ruining motor sport in this country.
Just a point of order, I was under the impression that he paid the women to give him a beating, not the other way round.......or have I got the wrong end of the stick? This man is quite repulsive.
All he does every time he puts his head above the parapet is put himself in the firing line again.
He said that the expose of his prostitute orgy was humiliating. Well he must like being humiliated. Oh, wait . . . I suddenly see.
All this hype about the right to know things about this obnoxious man is to make it more likely that the EU court ruling will be ignored. This is not about privacy, it is about knowing who gets their socks of beating and humiliating women.
Next he'll be wanting his history of vile, ultra-right-wing politics to be taken from the internet search engines.
Not to mention him ruining motor sport in this country.
Teppic said:
Correct. Derek has got the story back to front. It was Mosley receiving the beatings and being inspected for lice. The women were dressed in uniforms that were almost, but not quite, resembling those worn by SS officers. But it wasn't Nazi themed. Definitely not.
I apologise. I haven't seen the video so only read reports on here.Mind you, the criticism still stands: he bought women to indulge his odd sexual desires, none of which had anything to do with Nazis of course. I'm guessing that it must have been quite humiliating for these women to have to do as they were told in such circs. It's still buying women.
Now there was a report of an object being stuck up his fundament. Is this correct?
I thought I saw an image of the women being inspected for lice while wearing prison garb. Is this wrong then?
loafer123 said:
I have no idea why I should be interested or even aware of what goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults.
Mind you, I've heard that Derek Smith gets up to all sorts...
Yep. I ran into Bertie Basset's brother in law the other week, he says he's still having a really hard time getting over it. last time he popped over for a brew, Bertie was in the shower scrubbing himself and crying, saying "Derek made me feel soo DIRTY (sob)". I have no clue whether it's the same Derek, but whichever one it is should hang his head in shame.Mind you, I've heard that Derek Smith gets up to all sorts...
loafer123 said:
I have no idea why I should be interested or even aware of what goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults.
Mind you, I've heard that Derek Smith gets up to all sorts...
The definition of consent is obscure. Would you suggest that buying a woman is consent? Many feel it is not. This is not a case of Tracy and edna comping back from the pub for a bit of something different.Mind you, I've heard that Derek Smith gets up to all sorts...
In any case, he was in a position of some responsibility an indulging in activity which, on his own admission, caused him a great deal of embarrassment. Now ask yourself if someone with all that degree of official responsibility should do things which render him liable to being blackmailed. He was in (albeit limited) control of a sport which which £millions floating about. With those sorts of temptation, he should perhaps not put himself at risk.
Had he been in a proper job so to speak, his bosses would not have been amused.
However, my main beef with him is what he's done to motor sport.
Derek Smith said:
loafer123 said:
I have no idea why I should be interested or even aware of what goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults.
Mind you, I've heard that Derek Smith gets up to all sorts...
The definition of consent is obscure. Would you suggest that buying a woman is consent? Many feel it is not. This is not a case of Tracy and edna comping back from the pub for a bit of something different.Mind you, I've heard that Derek Smith gets up to all sorts...
In any case, he was in a position of some responsibility an indulging in activity which, on his own admission, caused him a great deal of embarrassment. Now ask yourself if someone with all that degree of official responsibility should do things which render him liable to being blackmailed. He was in (albeit limited) control of a sport which which £millions floating about. With those sorts of temptation, he should perhaps not put himself at risk.
Had he been in a proper job so to speak, his bosses would not have been amused.
However, my main beef with him is what he's done to motor sport.
loafer123 said:
No argument on the latter, however on the former issue I am more liberal and think that what people should be allowed to do in private is their own lookout if consented by all parties, including the legalisation of drugs and prostitution, even though I don't partake of either.
I perhaps would have agreed with you but I dealt with prostitutes professionally (mine, not theirs) a little and I found that choice is not something available to the the majority. Fair enough, I've only come into contact, so to speak, with a certain level but that seems to be what the group were.Derek Smith said:
loafer123 said:
No argument on the latter, however on the former issue I am more liberal and think that what people should be allowed to do in private is their own lookout if consented by all parties, including the legalisation of drugs and prostitution, even though I don't partake of either.
I perhaps would have agreed with you but I dealt with prostitutes professionally (mine, not theirs) a little and I found that choice is not something available to the the majority. Fair enough, I've only come into contact, so to speak, with a certain level but that seems to be what the group were.Given your professional knowledge, I would be interested in your view - apologies for the thread hijack.
loafer123 said:
Surely that is a reason to support a legalised and regulated industry, similar to Australia?
Given your professional knowledge, I would be interested in your view - apologies for the thread hijack.
I'm more or less with you. Given your professional knowledge, I would be interested in your view - apologies for the thread hijack.
My experience, and it is quite limited, is that most prostitutes have someone running them. The only one who comes to mind who was not being pimped was one who was running another girl.
There are those who are in it as a business, and there are a few of these about. We once did obs on a drugs dealer from a hotel. The manager gave us a 'little used' room, and it turned out that the hotel prostitutes congregated in it. They were a bit posh in the main, well up on those that Mosley bought.
If it was regulated then I'm not sure this would limit the number who are pressurised into it. Mind you, there's much wrong with the way it is run nowadays.
The Australian way seems to be working for them. I can see no real reason for it not to transfer, apart from the likes of Widdicombe et al.
I've met few prostitutes I haven't felt sorry for.
There was one in the hotel that a sergeant of mine was quite taken by. She wasn't particularly good looking but educated and quite sophisticated. She was working her way through university and working her way through a few of the occupants of the hotel. My sergeant reckoned his concern was for her mental health as she was very depressed.
Derek Smith said:
The most remarkable thing about all of this is the man's lack of shame. He bought women to beat and humiliate, dressing them in prison garb, very much like that used in extermination camps in the war, and inspected them for lice - but let's make this clear, it was nothing to do with Nazies, even though the women were dressed, manikin-like, in German military uniform.
This man is quite repulsive.
All he does every time he puts his head above the parapet is put himself in the firing line again.
He said that the expose of his prostitute orgy was humiliating. Well he must like being humiliated. Oh, wait . . . I suddenly see.
All this hype about the right to know things about this obnoxious man is to make it more likely that the EU court ruling will be ignored. This is not about privacy, it is about knowing who gets their socks of beating and humiliating women.
Next he'll be wanting his history of vile, ultra-right-wing politics to be taken from the internet search engines.
Not to mention him ruining motor sport in this country.
So if reporters photographed you having sex with your wife, and published foto's of it, you would be quite happy with that?This man is quite repulsive.
All he does every time he puts his head above the parapet is put himself in the firing line again.
He said that the expose of his prostitute orgy was humiliating. Well he must like being humiliated. Oh, wait . . . I suddenly see.
All this hype about the right to know things about this obnoxious man is to make it more likely that the EU court ruling will be ignored. This is not about privacy, it is about knowing who gets their socks of beating and humiliating women.
Next he'll be wanting his history of vile, ultra-right-wing politics to be taken from the internet search engines.
Not to mention him ruining motor sport in this country.
It was a sex act between consenting adults, he just happens to like his sex to be a bit more exciting than 'normal'
Ps - what is normal sex?
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