Air strikes on ISIS

[B17NNS]

Mermaid said:

Cannot argue with any of that

Indeed.

[Jimbeaux]

anonymous said:

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[Jimbeaux]

allnighter said:

Wills2 said:

Countdown said:

anonymous said:

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"Given the opportunity"? I don't understand. Is somebody physically holding him or them back?

That's what I didn't understand about the interview, he seemed to be saying that the UK should let him and other like minded people migrate to the areas controlled by IS and they would give up their UK passports/citizenship.

I presume you can't freely go over there but I guess others have so I'm not sure what is stopping him if he so wishes.

Not that I want more people going over there and causing trouble.

I would tag them, like sharks, cancel their citizenship, give them a one way pass to leave the UK, release them into the wilderness somewhere in IS controlled territory and monitor their movement from orbit, then send in some Eurofighters to finish the job.

Damn, you are kind of scary, in a Darth Vader sort of way. I have been called a book load of monikers for suggesting far less.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 18th August 02:37

[Jimbeaux]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Jimbeaux, where are you meeting all these Muslims?

With extremely few exceptions (and the only one I can remember is one who thought I was trying to steal his girlfriend -- not entirely without reason) I've yet to meet an unfriendly one.

The Muslims I know, and frequently work with, are friendly as well. I have made a detailed post of this earlier in this thread. I assume you missed that. I am speaking of the Muslims who visibly support ISIS mad dogs when I speak of Muslims in an ill fashion.

[anonymous-user]

Jimbeaux said:

allnighter said:

Wills2 said:

Countdown said:

anonymous said:

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"Given the opportunity"? I don't understand. Is somebody physically holding him or them back?

That's what I didn't understand about the interview, he seemed to be saying that the UK should let him and other like minded people migrate to the areas controlled by IS and they would give up their UK passports/citizenship.

I presume you can't freely go over there but I guess others have so I'm not sure what is stopping him if he so wishes.

Not that I want more people going over there and causing trouble.

I would tag them, like sharks, cancel their citizenship, give them a one way pass to leave the UK, release them into the wilderness somewhere in IS controlled territory and monitor their movement from orbit, then send in some Eurofighters to finish the job.

Damn, you are kind of scary, in. dearth Vader sort of way. I have been called a book load of monikers for suggesting far less.

Indeed. Maybe there are more than a few who think the same?

[Mr_B]

Amusing pitch in today's papers about fighting them there, rather having to fight them here. Slightly ignored the 400 odd who are reckoned to have left here to go there. Maybe stopping the retardation of people here via hate preachers, poisonous religious schools ( half of which are not even religious schools but just Muslim majority schools ) and generally posing the question of why it is Muslims who have never set foot outside of Birmingham and have no connection to such places like Syria and Iraq, go fight for their 'brothers and sisters'. Lets start at home first this time.

[allnighter]

Jimbeaux said:

allnighter said:

Wills2 said:

Countdown said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

"Given the opportunity"? I don't understand. Is somebody physically holding him or them back?

That's what I didn't understand about the interview, he seemed to be saying that the UK should let him and other like minded people migrate to the areas controlled by IS and they would give up their UK passports/citizenship.

I presume you can't freely go over there but I guess others have so I'm not sure what is stopping him if he so wishes.

Not that I want more people going over there and causing trouble.

I would tag them, like sharks, cancel their citizenship, give them a one way pass to leave the UK, release them into the wilderness somewhere in IS controlled territory and monitor their movement from orbit, then send in some Eurofighters to finish the job.

Damn, you are kind of scary, in. dearth Vader sort of way. I have been called a book load of monikers for suggesting far less.

What did you suggest Jimmy? Waterboarding?

[THX]

irocfan said:

so if not a psychopath then a sociopath?

Same theory.

[pcvdriver]

Jimbeaux said:

Damn, you are kind of scary, in. dearth Vader sort of way. I have been called a book load of monikers for suggesting far less.

What? He plays the perfect fantasy bad guy.....sounds scary, but then you remember he's just a fantasist? I would heartily concur...

[Jimbeaux]

allnighter said:

Jimbeaux said:

allnighter said:

Wills2 said:

Countdown said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

"Given the opportunity"? I don't understand. Is somebody physically holding him or them back?

That's what I didn't understand about the interview, he seemed to be saying that the UK should let him and other like minded people migrate to the areas controlled by IS and they would give up their UK passports/citizenship.

I presume you can't freely go over there but I guess others have so I'm not sure what is stopping him if he so wishes.

Not that I want more people going over there and causing trouble.

I would tag them, like sharks, cancel their citizenship, give them a one way pass to leave the UK, release them into the wilderness somewhere in IS controlled territory and monitor their movement from orbit, then send in some Eurofighters to finish the job.

Damn, you are kind of scary, in. dearth Vader sort of way. I have been called a book load of monikers for suggesting far less.

What did you suggest Jimmy? Waterboarding?

Nope, nothing even close. I simply suggested that Some Muslims stand across the street from the ISIS supporters on Oxford Street and counter protest. 200,000 turned out because of the Mo cartoon, how about just a few hundred turn out against people who support children being beheaded. That is all I suggested. Now your suggestion, that was hardcore.

[allnighter]

Guam said:

Jimbeaux said:

Nope, nothing even close. I simply suggested that Some Muslims stand across the street from the ISIS supporters on Oxford Street and counter protest. 200,000 turned out because of the Mo cartoon, how about just a few hundred turn out against people who support children being beheaded. That is all I suggested. Now your suggestion, that was hardcore.

What I dont get is these young people who have gone there are claimed to be from ordinary families. Further it is claimed they weren't radicalised from within their communities. The disturbing thing about that is if those claims are true, there are potentially a large number of "ordinary" young men and women who harbour these sentiments and are prone to the most heinous acts without outside causes.

Now THAT is scary!

Its almost as if they think they are going to play COD in the desert! With no religious basis (we are told) and no direct connection to the events out there, plus no personal hardship to invoke such feelings of hate, what is the basis of their evil?

You do not need to be radicalised from within your community if you have access to all sort of material on the internet.People like that could have spent their lifetime in their bedroom with the curtains closed being indoctrinated and flew straight to 'adventure' abroad.

The saddest thing about it all, is those kids who have ended up there through no choice of their own because their fathers happened to be potential psychopaths.

[JagLover]

thehawk said:

THX said:

So a couple of retards are given a voice (via Channel 4) and we're wondering how many UK Muslims are calling for Britain to become an Islamic State?

Not all Muslims are terrorists.

No, but enough of them are supportive, either actively or passively of extremist Islamic people. Until Islam undergoes massive reformation, that will take generations and maybe even impossible with all the people in the middle-east, then I think that Islam is a scourge that needs heavily controlling to stop it encroaching on the western lifestyle at all. Zero tolerance of any nonsense, even from the so called moderates.

And whilst terrorist is a bit of a emotive term, I also don't believe that we have a lot to fear from terrorist, more to fear from the continual erosion of western societies by Muslims and their longer term aspirations.

I remember years ago you'd be called a racist nutjob and laughed at by many on here if you suggested something like this would happen :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...

And yet here we are faced with the very real possibility of a caliphate on Europes shores, and a sizeable Muslim population in Europe who would support it.

As far as I am concerned the moderates are all lip service and trot out the usual quotes = "Islam us a religion of peace" etc, when in reality they are fooling us. A prime example recently is the pictures of the Australian child holding up a severed head. Vulgar in the extreme, and if moderate Muslims were genuine they would be furious and protesting in the streets that their religion was being besmirched like this. They, unsurprisingly, weren't. But draw a cartoon of Mohommed....

Well said

We have issues now with violent demonstrations, hundreds leaving the UK to fight for extremists abroad, and the occasional terrorist plot (most of which have been disrupted) and Muslims only account for 4.4% of the population.

Warnings of Eurabia may be hysteria but if Muslims become a significant minority of the population it may put the western way of life in severe jeopardy, even without them becoming a majority.

Islam needs to undergo its own enlightenment and British Muslims need to realise that the reason that Britain is not a violent, backward, country like Pakistan etc is because religion here is a private matter, not something to impose on others.

[anonymous-user]

allnighter said:

The saddest thing about it all, is those kids who have ended up there through no choice of their own because their fathers happened to be potential psychopaths.

What evil makes a father think he should put his children through that? It is very sad, potentially conditioning the next generation to perpetrate this type of crime.

[Grumfutock]

anonymous said:

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Well I could answer that for you however I would get banned and called a racist.

[raftom]

One chronic problem for ISIS is that they only use 50% of their potential.

The Kurds don't.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/14/kurdish-women-take-up...

[TheRealFingers99]

The Kurds are saying they've re-taken the Mosul dam, although still taking incoming mortar rounds.

[anonymous-user]

raftom said:

One chronic problem for ISIS is that they only use 50% of their potential.

The Kurds don't.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/14/kurdish-women-take-up...

The maternal instinct will kick in and these ladies will tear those child-murdering IS wkers' heads off.
God-willing.

[Jimbeaux]

allnighter said:

Guam said:

Jimbeaux said:

Nope, nothing even close. I simply suggested that Some Muslims stand across the street from the ISIS supporters on Oxford Street and counter protest. 200,000 turned out because of the Mo cartoon, how about just a few hundred turn out against people who support children being beheaded. That is all I suggested. Now your suggestion, that was hardcore.

What I dont get is these young people who have gone there are claimed to be from ordinary families. Further it is claimed they weren't radicalised from within their communities. The disturbing thing about that is if those claims are true, there are potentially a large number of "ordinary" young men and women who harbour these sentiments and are prone to the most heinous acts without outside causes.

Now THAT is scary!

Its almost as if they think they are going to play COD in the desert! With no religious basis (we are told) and no direct connection to the events out there, plus no personal hardship to invoke such feelings of hate, what is the basis of their evil?

You do not need to be radicalised from within your community if you have access to all sort of material on the internet.People like that could have spent their lifetime in their bedroom with the curtains closed being indoctrinated and flew straight to 'adventure' abroad.

The saddest thing about it all, is those kids who have ended up there through no choice of their own because their fathers happened to be potential psychopaths.

Excellent points Allnighter; agreed.

[Jimbeaux]

JagLover said:

"the reason that Britain is not a violent, backward, country like Pakistan etc is because religion here is a private matter, not something to impose on others."

This is worth highlighting; good line Jaglover. This seems an obvious point you make, especially for those who live in the UK and its relative peace and prosperity. It is curious and scary that it apparently is not so obvious.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 18th August 13:57

[Jimbeaux]

Guam said:

David Cameron on the subject in the Torygraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...

Particularly like this bit!

"And I have also discussed the police response to this growing threat of extremism with the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe. The position is clear. If people are walking around with Isil flags or trying to recruit people to their terrorist cause, they will be arrested and their materials will be seized. We are a tolerant people, but no tolerance should allow the room for this sort of poisonous extremism in our country."

Looks like those scumbags on Oxford street will be getting their collars felt next time they give it a try

Also interesting comment piece in the Grauniad on combating radicalisation.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/...

Edited by Guam on Monday 18th August 12:00

Good news IMO.