Air strikes on ISIS

[Jimbeaux]

HRL said:

Admittedly he's quit now...

[s1962a]

AreOut said:

s1962a said:

One thing that will change things this time around, is the recognition these nutters represent a very tiny minority of muslims. If that happens and you get all the rest of the muslims on board then it should make it easier to wipe out ISIS.

how is very tiny minority of muslims able to conquer roughly one quarter of middle east? Something doesn't add up.

The thing is that poor people become radical, the thing is that there are very many poor people and many of them become radical, I don't blame Islam itself as they would find another ideology to become radical but the truth is they aren't challenged enough from normal muslim world.

You have quoted no facts at all in your post, so i'll take it this is just your opinion, but it's got nothing to do with poor people.

Do you know any muslims? If so, ask them about their opinion on ISIS. Let me know what responses you get.

[Scuffers]

s1962a said:

One thing that will change things this time around, is the recognition these nutters represent a very tiny minority of muslims. If that happens and you get all the rest of the muslims on board then it should make it easier to wipe out ISIS.

So, what's the difference between these cutters and the nutters in Gaza...

[s1962a]

anonymous said:

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The point I made about getting the majority of muslims onside is quite an important one. Right now what will be achieved by not recognising the difference between these Saudi influenced salafi extremists and regular sunni muslims. ISIS seem to hate Shia muslims already so I won't insult anyones intelligence by generalising muslims.

[LaSource]

anonymous said:

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If such a big scenario is possible, then the implication of this is that this is not just a bunch (say X,000) of raving loonies...(after all we have seen in Iraq and Afghanistan that X0,000 of loonies or even an occupying army cannot control nations) but that they have a message that appeals to the masses (perhaps freedom from rich controlling class, perhaps a sense of foreign oppression lifted, religious union, any non militant casualties may increase radicalisation, etc) which brings back into the fold whether this is a new nation emerging or not. I think that is why the Saudis are afraid of them - i.e. these guys might start a local uprising in a country with a massive gulf between rich and poor.

It also makes me wonder about the media messaging again. The sounds of 'yeah lets get em' on this thread is probably what the 90%+ of Israelis felt when they were polled for support of their nation due to what they were seeing on their local media (whether it was reflective of reality or not).

..anyway, lets just hope that this is a group of X,000 isolated loonies

[s1962a]

Scuffers said:

s1962a said:

One thing that will change things this time around, is the recognition these nutters represent a very tiny minority of muslims. If that happens and you get all the rest of the muslims on board then it should make it easier to wipe out ISIS.

So, what's the difference between these cutters and the nutters in Gaza...

The question you should be asking is how is a child being killed by ISIS different to a child being killed by IDF 'inprecise' artillery/bombs... from the childs point of view?

In answer to your question.. ISIS are basing what they do on their interpretation on an extreme form of salafi islam developed in Saudi in the 1700's, and are trying to spread this with violence.

Hamas in gaza are trying to lift the land, sea, and air blockade of Gaza.

No comparison.

[s1962a]

LaSource said:

anonymous said:

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If such a big scenario is possible, then the implication of this is that this is not just a bunch (say X,000) of raving loonies...(after all we have seen in Iraq and Afghanistan that X0,000 of loonies or even an occupying army cannot control nations) but that they have a message that appeals to the masses (perhaps freedom from rich controlling class, perhaps a sense of foreign oppression lifted, religious union, any non militant casualties may increase radicalisation, etc) which brings back into the fold whether this is a new nation emerging or not. I think that is why the Saudis are afraid of them - i.e. these guys might start a local uprising in a country with a massive gulf between rich and poor.

It also makes me wonder about the media messaging again. The sounds of 'yeah lets get em' on this thread is probably what the 90%+ of Israelis felt when they were polled for support of their nation due to what they were seeing on their local media (whether it was reflective of reality or not).

..anyway, lets just hope that this is a group of X,000 isolated loonies

I have read that ISIS comprises of ex Iraqi army personnel that were left disenfranchised after the Iraq war, and also other al-qaeda extremists and others who believe in their extremist ideology. Basically a hoover for all the nutters in that region to get together. Apparently they are very well armed too, and are not encoutering much resistance.. till now.

Over 1 billion muslims in the world.

[Scuffers]

s1962a said:

The question you should be asking is how is a child being killed by ISIS different to a child being killed by IDF 'inprecise' artillery/bombs... from the childs point of view?

In answer to your question.. ISIS are basing what they do on their interpretation on an extreme form of salafi islam developed in Saudi in the 1700's, and are trying to spread this with violence.

Hamas in gaza are trying to lift the land, sea, and air blockade of Gaza.

No comparison.

So, hamas did not exist before the borders were closed then?

And isis are not persecuting real genocide?

[Jimbeaux]

anonymous said:

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I think Egypt's military would hold against that. The others, not so sure. It is worth noting that Turkey, a good example of a secular state that is predominately Muslim, currently has as its Presidential frontrunner, a man that is not secular and is running on fundimentalist rhetoric. What it means for Turkey if he wins, I am not sure.

[Fotic]

s1962a said:

Over 1 billion muslims in the world.

Utterly irrelevant tabloidesque statement. It's like talking about rapists and then saying there's over 4bn men in the world...

[Jimbeaux]

anonymous said:

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The Saudis are not funding these fools; individuals perhaps, but not the state. Before you say anything, I realize you said "influenced" not funded.....I am just getting ahead of it.

[s1962a]

Fotic said:

s1962a said:

Over 1 billion muslims in the world.

Utterly irrelevant tabloidesque statement. It's like talking about rapists and then saying there's over 4bn men in the world...

It becomes relevant to my point about the vast majority of muslims in this world abhorring what ISIS do and stand for, so generalising muslims becomes futile.

[Jimbeaux]

s1962a said:

Scuffers said:

s1962a said:

One thing that will change things this time around, is the recognition these nutters represent a very tiny minority of muslims. If that happens and you get all the rest of the muslims on board then it should make it easier to wipe out ISIS.

So, what's the difference between these cutters and the nutters in Gaza...

The question you should be asking is how is a child being killed by ISIS different to a child being killed by IDF 'inprecise' artillery/bombs... from the childs point of view?

In answer to your question.. ISIS are basing what they do on their interpretation on an extreme form of salafi islam developed in Saudi in the 1700's, and are trying to spread this with violence.

Hamas in gaza are trying to lift the land, sea, and air blockade of Gaza.

No comparison.

The blocade in Gaza came about due to Hamas rockets, not the other way around. You seem to believe Hamas would let up if all of those things disappeared.

[s1962a]

anonymous said:

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The extreme Salafi movement was born out of Saudi in the 1700's and it's this these nutters follow. Apparently they are even too extreme for al-qaeda.

Have you asked any of your muslim friends/aquaintances what they think of ISIS?

[Jimbeaux]

s1962a said:

LaSource said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

If such a big scenario is possible, then the implication of this is that this is not just a bunch (say X,000) of raving loonies...(after all we have seen in Iraq and Afghanistan that X0,000 of loonies or even an occupying army cannot control nations) but that they have a message that appeals to the masses (perhaps freedom from rich controlling class, perhaps a sense of foreign oppression lifted, religious union, any non militant casualties may increase radicalisation, etc) which brings back into the fold whether this is a new nation emerging or not. I think that is why the Saudis are afraid of them - i.e. these guys might start a local uprising in a country with a massive gulf between rich and poor.

It also makes me wonder about the media messaging again. The sounds of 'yeah lets get em' on this thread is probably what the 90%+ of Israelis felt when they were polled for support of their nation due to what they were seeing on their local media (whether it was reflective of reality or not).

..anyway, lets just hope that this is a group of X,000 isolated loonies

I have read that ISIS comprises of ex Iraqi army personnel that were left disenfranchised after the Iraq war, and also other al-qaeda extremists and others who believe in their extremist ideology. Basically a hoover for all the nutters in that region to get together. Apparently they are very well armed too, and are not encoutering much resistance.. till now.

Over 1 billion muslims in the world.

There may be a little less after this afternoon. Nothing personal there, just some math facts.

[s1962a]

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Scuffers said:

s1962a said:

One thing that will change things this time around, is the recognition these nutters represent a very tiny minority of muslims. If that happens and you get all the rest of the muslims on board then it should make it easier to wipe out ISIS.

So, what's the difference between these cutters and the nutters in Gaza...

The question you should be asking is how is a child being killed by ISIS different to a child being killed by IDF 'inprecise' artillery/bombs... from the childs point of view?

In answer to your question.. ISIS are basing what they do on their interpretation on an extreme form of salafi islam developed in Saudi in the 1700's, and are trying to spread this with violence.

Hamas in gaza are trying to lift the land, sea, and air blockade of Gaza.

No comparison.

The blocade in Gaza came about due to Hamas rockets, not the other way around. You seem to believe Hamas would let up if all of those things disappeared.

I believe the palestinian people just want to live their lives, just like anyone else, and reject hamas.

Maybe continue this in the israeli thread.

[LaSource]

Jimbeaux said:

There may be a little less after this afternoon. Nothing personal there, just some math facts.

That sounds dangerously like 'they are all the same' statement.

[s1962a]

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

LaSource said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

If such a big scenario is possible, then the implication of this is that this is not just a bunch (say X,000) of raving loonies...(after all we have seen in Iraq and Afghanistan that X0,000 of loonies or even an occupying army cannot control nations) but that they have a message that appeals to the masses (perhaps freedom from rich controlling class, perhaps a sense of foreign oppression lifted, religious union, any non militant casualties may increase radicalisation, etc) which brings back into the fold whether this is a new nation emerging or not. I think that is why the Saudis are afraid of them - i.e. these guys might start a local uprising in a country with a massive gulf between rich and poor.

It also makes me wonder about the media messaging again. The sounds of 'yeah lets get em' on this thread is probably what the 90%+ of Israelis felt when they were polled for support of their nation due to what they were seeing on their local media (whether it was reflective of reality or not).

..anyway, lets just hope that this is a group of X,000 isolated loonies

I have read that ISIS comprises of ex Iraqi army personnel that were left disenfranchised after the Iraq war, and also other al-qaeda extremists and others who believe in their extremist ideology. Basically a hoover for all the nutters in that region to get together. Apparently they are very well armed too, and are not encoutering much resistance.. till now.

Over 1 billion muslims in the world.

There may be a little less after this afternoon. Nothing personal there, just some math facts.

Thanks Jim! Next time we quote numbers or percentages, make sure you don't have amnesia of the kind of numbers or percentages we are talking about.

What percentage 10,000 over 1.6 billion muslims then? You can use US standard notation for billion - my maths isn't that great.

[Jimbeaux]

anonymous said:

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[Jimbeaux]

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Scuffers said:

s1962a said:

One thing that will change things this time around, is the recognition these nutters represent a very tiny minority of muslims. If that happens and you get all the rest of the muslims on board then it should make it easier to wipe out ISIS.

So, what's the difference between these cutters and the nutters in Gaza...

The question you should be asking is how is a child being killed by ISIS different to a child being killed by IDF 'inprecise' artillery/bombs... from the childs point of view?

In answer to your question.. ISIS are basing what they do on their interpretation on an extreme form of salafi islam developed in Saudi in the 1700's, and are trying to spread this with violence.

Hamas in gaza are trying to lift the land, sea, and air blockade of Gaza.

No comparison.

The blocade in Gaza came about due to Hamas rockets, not the other way around. You seem to believe Hamas would let up if all of those things disappeared.

I believe the palestinian people just want to live their lives, just like anyone else, and reject hamas.

Maybe continue this in the israeli thread.

Now that is better; and yes.