Air strikes on ISIS
Discussion
jesusbuiltmycar said:
RedTrident said:
Begg didn't chop someones head off and got compensation because our government was complicit in his torture. If we can identify who this executioner is and he comes back to the UK, I doubt very much he'll be treated in the same way as Begg was.
Begg is a real angel, currently awaiting trial for "terror offences related to Syria".Edited by jesusbuiltmycar on Wednesday 20th August 09:04
Begg was never accused or charged with beheading someone was he?
As far as I can tell, this is the situation.
We support the Iraqi government in the fight against ISIS.
We don’t like ISIS, but ISIS is supported by Saudi Arabia who we do like.
We don’t like Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but ISIS is also fighting against him.
We don’t like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government in its fight against ISIS.
So some of our friends support our enemies, some enemies are now our friends and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, who we want to lose, but we don’t want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win.
If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they could be replaced by people we like even less.
It's quite simple, really.
We support the Iraqi government in the fight against ISIS.
We don’t like ISIS, but ISIS is supported by Saudi Arabia who we do like.
We don’t like Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but ISIS is also fighting against him.
We don’t like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government in its fight against ISIS.
So some of our friends support our enemies, some enemies are now our friends and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, who we want to lose, but we don’t want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win.
If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they could be replaced by people we like even less.
It's quite simple, really.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
As far as I can tell, this is the situation.
We support the Iraqi government in the fight against ISIS.
We don’t like ISIS, but ISIS is supported by Saudi Arabia who we do like.
We don’t like Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but ISIS is also fighting against him.
We don’t like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government in its fight against ISIS.
So some of our friends support our enemies, some enemies are now our friends and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, who we want to lose, but we don’t want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win.
If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they could be replaced by people we like even less.
It's quite simple, really.
I think the issue of IS and the Caliphate is quite simple.We support the Iraqi government in the fight against ISIS.
We don’t like ISIS, but ISIS is supported by Saudi Arabia who we do like.
We don’t like Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but ISIS is also fighting against him.
We don’t like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government in its fight against ISIS.
So some of our friends support our enemies, some enemies are now our friends and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, who we want to lose, but we don’t want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win.
If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they could be replaced by people we like even less.
It's quite simple, really.
IS want to create a Caliphate that takes over the Arab world and also large parts of Southern Europe. By force. They are effectively a terrorist, fascist organisation that preaches a code that requires strict adherence to the same values they have, total devotion to their message, or extermination.
IS are probably the clearest and most easily identifiable single enemy in our generation.
The points you make are true, but the bottom line is that IS threatens all of these countries. For the first time ( in a generation, or even perhaps the first time ever ) there is an enemy that countries all have in common, even if in the past those countries have not got along.
THX said:
Effectively branding Muslims the new Nazis?
(not all Nazi were bad, remember!)
If, in 50 years time, the latest 'Call of Duty: World at War' consists of The West vs an infinite horde of re-spawning Muslims, I'll not want to play it.
No.(not all Nazi were bad, remember!)
If, in 50 years time, the latest 'Call of Duty: World at War' consists of The West vs an infinite horde of re-spawning Muslims, I'll not want to play it.
Islamic Radicalism is fascist though. It has the all qualities:
1. A belief in the supremacy of one ethnic group. CHECK.
2. A contempt for democracy. CHECK.
3. An insistence on obedience to a powerful leader or central ethos. CHECK
The Islamic State in many respects is much worse than Fascism as expressed by the Nazis in Germany. The doctrine of IS whereby ALL none-believers ( even fellow Muslims who are not sunni) must convert or die, is taking things further than the Germans ever did..
It is simply not true that this is about Muslims per se. It is all about this one strand of Islamic thinking. It must be exterminated without mercy. There is no political solution. If IS are left to their own, one day they will be coming for me and you..
toppstuff said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
As far as I can tell, this is the situation.
We support the Iraqi government in the fight against ISIS.
We don’t like ISIS, but ISIS is supported by Saudi Arabia who we do like.
We don’t like Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but ISIS is also fighting against him.
We don’t like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government in its fight against ISIS.
So some of our friends support our enemies, some enemies are now our friends and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, who we want to lose, but we don’t want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win.
If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they could be replaced by people we like even less.
It's quite simple, really.
I think the issue of IS and the Caliphate is quite simple.We support the Iraqi government in the fight against ISIS.
We don’t like ISIS, but ISIS is supported by Saudi Arabia who we do like.
We don’t like Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but ISIS is also fighting against him.
We don’t like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government in its fight against ISIS.
So some of our friends support our enemies, some enemies are now our friends and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, who we want to lose, but we don’t want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win.
If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they could be replaced by people we like even less.
It's quite simple, really.
IS want to create a Caliphate that takes over the Arab world and also large parts of Southern Europe. By force. They are effectively a terrorist, fascist organisation that preaches a code that requires strict adherence to the same values they have, total devotion to their message, or extermination.
IS are probably the clearest and most easily identifiable single enemy in our generation.
The points you make are true, but the bottom line is that IS threatens all of these countries. For the first time ( in a generation, or even perhaps the first time ever ) there is an enemy that countries all have in common, even if in the past those countries have not got along.
If we want to go in and smash them to pieces because they're evil then that's fine by me by the way, ideally through the UN. But really, as it stands, I'm sceptical that IS want to move in to large parts of Southern Europe.
RedTrident said:
What parts of Southern Europe are they after? I'm afraid the lies told by Blair in the lead up to the Iraq invasion has left me more suspicious than I once was. I completely agree that IS want to take over the Arab world, and on one level this is a continuation of the AQ narrative of replacing Western puppets in the middle east, but I hadn't realised there was a genuine European aspiration. I recall CMD mentioning something about the Mediterranean last week and thought here we go again.
If we want to go in and smash them to pieces because they're evil then that's fine by me by the way, ideally through the UN. But really, as it stands, I'm sceptical that IS want to move in to large parts of Southern Europe.
I'd assume that these were references to the Muslim population of the balkans and perhaps the formerly moorish territories in andalusia.If we want to go in and smash them to pieces because they're evil then that's fine by me by the way, ideally through the UN. But really, as it stands, I'm sceptical that IS want to move in to large parts of Southern Europe.
RedTrident said:
What parts of Southern Europe are they after? I'm afraid the lies told by Blair in the lead up to the Iraq invasion has left me more suspicious than I once was. I completely agree that IS want to take over the Arab world, and on one level this is a continuation of the AQ narrative of replacing Western puppets in the middle east, but I hadn't realised there was a genuine European aspiration. I recall CMD mentioning something about the Mediterranean last week and thought here we go again.
If we want to go in and smash them to pieces because they're evil then that's fine by me by the way, ideally through the UN. But really, as it stands, I'm sceptical that IS want to move in to large parts of Southern Europe.
This article includes a map ISIS issued.If we want to go in and smash them to pieces because they're evil then that's fine by me by the way, ideally through the UN. But really, as it stands, I'm sceptical that IS want to move in to large parts of Southern Europe.
http://downtrend.com/jrc410/isis-unveils-plan-for-...
This makes some sobering viewing, especially the way that the children are being indoctrinated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjHb4C7b94
Personally I doubt they will be raising their flag in Cyprus / Greece / Spain / India Saudi etc any time soon, but they have stated that this is their 5 year goal...
TLandCruiser said:
I was reading the news article about him, and the journalist was captured two years ago in Syria, i wonder if he was kept alive by ISIS knowing full well that the US would attack them one day?
Feel Sorry for the guy and his family. If the isis guy was british then I hope it strengths the UKs resolve to dealing with this issue, which is one that they have not done anything about for a long time and it's time for change.
The only hope there is for the foreign jihadist is that they meet the same fate as the forgiven jihadist did in 2003
it's almost like IS are trying to be as inflammatory as possible, they couldn't have chosen their enemies less wisely, IMO. You'd think that they would not poke the 2 countries most likely to let slip the dogs of war on them (US and UK) until they were a little more established. they need a new PR agency Feel Sorry for the guy and his family. If the isis guy was british then I hope it strengths the UKs resolve to dealing with this issue, which is one that they have not done anything about for a long time and it's time for change.
The only hope there is for the foreign jihadist is that they meet the same fate as the forgiven jihadist did in 2003
Guam said:
Greg_D said:
it's almost like IS are trying to be as inflammatory as possible, they couldn't have chosen their enemies less wisely, IMO. You'd think that they would not poke the 2 countries most likely to let slip the dogs of war on them (US and UK) until they were a little more established. they need a new PR agency
So far the US has been relatively restrained, this could provoke massive bombing of their positions, we will see how hard the barbaric b
ds are when hundreds of sorties are incoming 24/7 
Drones, drones, drones as far as the eye can see, best of luck, you goat shagging Pieces of sh**
that single act may very well be the end of IS (i hope so) this will have the US generals literally straining at the leash. They know where IS are, they'll have been tracking them all in great detail across the desert. all they need is the nod off the big man
Greg_D said:
quite.
Drones, drones, drones as far as the eye can see, best of luck, you goat shagging Pieces of sh**
that single act may very well be the end of IS (i hope so) this will have the US generals literally straining at the leash. They know where IS are, they'll have been tracking them all in great detail across the desert. all they need is the nod off the big man
& what happens after that? The ideology is widespread.Drones, drones, drones as far as the eye can see, best of luck, you goat shagging Pieces of sh**
that single act may very well be the end of IS (i hope so) this will have the US generals literally straining at the leash. They know where IS are, they'll have been tracking them all in great detail across the desert. all they need is the nod off the big man
anonymous said:
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What Hillary thinks is pertinent ?http://uspolitics.about.com/od/CampaignsElections/...
Greg_D said:
quite.
Drones, drones, drones as far as the eye can see, best of luck, you goat shagging Pieces of sh**
that single act may very well be the end of IS (i hope so) this will have the US generals literally straining at the leash. They know where IS are, they'll have been tracking them all in great detail across the desert. all they need is the nod off the big man
not a chance - a few years ago another US journo was beheaded, Daniel Pearl IIRC. What happened to the perps there? Like as not they're swapping notes with their IS buddies Drones, drones, drones as far as the eye can see, best of luck, you goat shagging Pieces of sh**
that single act may very well be the end of IS (i hope so) this will have the US generals literally straining at the leash. They know where IS are, they'll have been tracking them all in great detail across the desert. all they need is the nod off the big man
Purity14 said:
I have played many strategy warfare games(Which makes me a professional military strategist now )
If I was to just create an army based on land, then I would be wiped out eventually by sea and air.
If they had fighter jets, and the ability to pilot them, id be worried.
ISIS wont be able to sustain what they are doing for long, let alone the 5 year goal that they have published.
As soon as they rattle Israel, it will be all over for ISIS, if it isn't already.
Okay, so that deals with military action, but in a way that is the easy part when you begin to ponder what is to be done about the 'homegrown' fundamentalist and terrorist element?) If I was to just create an army based on land, then I would be wiped out eventually by sea and air.
If they had fighter jets, and the ability to pilot them, id be worried.
ISIS wont be able to sustain what they are doing for long, let alone the 5 year goal that they have published.
As soon as they rattle Israel, it will be all over for ISIS, if it isn't already.
Greg_D said:
Guam said:
Greg_D said:
it's almost like IS are trying to be as inflammatory as possible, they couldn't have chosen their enemies less wisely, IMO. You'd think that they would not poke the 2 countries most likely to let slip the dogs of war on them (US and UK) until they were a little more established. they need a new PR agency
So far the US has been relatively restrained, this could provoke massive bombing of their positions, we will see how hard the barbaric bds are when hundreds of sorties are incoming 24/7 Drones, drones, drones as far as the eye can see, best of luck, you goat shagging Pieces of sh**
that single act may very well be the end of IS (i hope so) this will have the US generals literally straining at the leash. They know where IS are, they'll have been tracking them all in great detail across the desert. all they need is the nod off the big man
I just hope the US forces don't take a leaf out of IDF's book and create massive 'collateral damage'
Digga said:
Purity14 said:
I have played many strategy warfare games(Which makes me a professional military strategist now )
If I was to just create an army based on land, then I would be wiped out eventually by sea and air.
If they had fighter jets, and the ability to pilot them, id be worried.
ISIS wont be able to sustain what they are doing for long, let alone the 5 year goal that they have published.
As soon as they rattle Israel, it will be all over for ISIS, if it isn't already.
Okay, so that deals with military action, but in a way that is the easy part when you begin to ponder what is to be done about the 'homegrown' fundamentalist and terrorist element?) If I was to just create an army based on land, then I would be wiped out eventually by sea and air.
If they had fighter jets, and the ability to pilot them, id be worried.
ISIS wont be able to sustain what they are doing for long, let alone the 5 year goal that they have published.
As soon as they rattle Israel, it will be all over for ISIS, if it isn't already.
a) round em all up - i'm sure armchair PH generals know exactly who they are and where they live
b) recognise this threat of extremist saudi influenced islam, and work together with the muslim population to weed these people out
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