Air strikes on ISIS

[s1962a]

anonymous said:

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If you get ISIS supporters in the UK - judge them very harshly and lock them up. Doubt you'd find much resistance to that in the UK muslim population.

Try as you might - you are finding no links between these ISIS extremists and the muslim population.

It's like trying to find a link between the Christian population and extremist priests that abuse children. Christians aren't responsible for what these men do, nor do they support them.

[Jimbeaux]

LaSource said:

Jimbeaux said:

There may be a little less after this afternoon. Nothing personal there, just some math facts.

That sounds dangerously like 'they are all the same' statement.

Sounds can be deceiving. It was simply some twisted humor, nothing more sinister than that.

[Jimbeaux]

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

LaSource said:

anonymous said:

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If such a big scenario is possible, then the implication of this is that this is not just a bunch (say X,000) of raving loonies...(after all we have seen in Iraq and Afghanistan that X0,000 of loonies or even an occupying army cannot control nations) but that they have a message that appeals to the masses (perhaps freedom from rich controlling class, perhaps a sense of foreign oppression lifted, religious union, any non militant casualties may increase radicalisation, etc) which brings back into the fold whether this is a new nation emerging or not. I think that is why the Saudis are afraid of them - i.e. these guys might start a local uprising in a country with a massive gulf between rich and poor.

It also makes me wonder about the media messaging again. The sounds of 'yeah lets get em' on this thread is probably what the 90%+ of Israelis felt when they were polled for support of their nation due to what they were seeing on their local media (whether it was reflective of reality or not).

..anyway, lets just hope that this is a group of X,000 isolated loonies

I have read that ISIS comprises of ex Iraqi army personnel that were left disenfranchised after the Iraq war, and also other al-qaeda extremists and others who believe in their extremist ideology. Basically a hoover for all the nutters in that region to get together. Apparently they are very well armed too, and are not encoutering much resistance.. till now.

Over 1 billion muslims in the world.

There may be a little less after this afternoon. Nothing personal there, just some math facts.

Thanks Jim! Next time we quote numbers or percentages, make sure you don't have amnesia of the kind of numbers or percentages we are talking about.

What percentage 10,000 over 1.6 billion muslims then? You can use US standard notation for billion - my maths isn't that great.

That was a joke; twisted as it was, it does follow PH methods. Lighten up.

[s1962a]

anonymous said:

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I agree with you on that one. I personally have been nowhere near Iraq or Syria, and I have never met anyone with extremist views - even when al-qaeda were around. All the muslims I know detest extremist Islam, so how should my disgust manifest itself?

I would suggest the surrounding countries to Iraq/Syria do something about it. But they could equally be sponsors of this political game.

[Jimbeaux]

anonymous said:

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[s1962a]

Jimbeaux said:

That was a joke; twisted as it was, it does follow PH methods. Lighten up.

No worries Jim. Everytime someone generalises about 'moslems' (yeehaa), always reminds me of this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU

[Jimbeaux]

anonymous said:

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That is a reasonable view IMO.

[rich85uk]

Let's not forget before we start knocking other middle Eastern countries for not joining in most wouldn't be able to defend themselves against ISIS, let alone assist in this aswell as guard their borders. Saudi Arabia and Syria aside nearly all don't have much more active personnel than ISIS and are unable to grow at the rate ISIS unless they start calling up on the general male population for service.

Syria fought back for 4 years and still haven't exactly won, financial help from the wealthy Arab countries would be nice but for now lets just hope the savage fire power between the US/UK blows every one of these scumbags to pieces before they take over more countries, recruit more fighters and become a genuine global problem

[Jimbeaux]

Now is a good, yet limited, window of opportunity to do so; however, I fear that Obama has put such restrictions on the military for this operation that it will be limited to those who threaten the US facilities or the religious minorities on the mountain. I hope I am wrong.

[Ayahuasca]

I hope the US forces take the opportunity to hit them so hard, so fast, that they can't get up again.

[Jimbeaux]

Ayahuasca said:

I hope the US forces take the opportunity to hit them so hard, so fast, that they can't get up again.

Again, I hope you are correct; my bet is we won't try to do so.

[Mermaid]

Jimbeaux said:

Ayahuasca said:

I hope the US forces take the opportunity to hit them so hard, so fast, that they can't get up again.

Again, I hope you are correct; my bet is we won't try to do so.

Good morning Vietnam....in for the long haul. You win, you lose. You lose, you lose.

[rollondeath]

All of this over a sky pixie!!! It's ludicrous.

[Mermaid]

rollondeath said:

All of this over a sky pixie!!! It's ludicrous.

What is ludicrous is the disagreement between the "peace" loving Muslims who kill each other in such vast numbers simply because of poor succession plans by their captain.

[V8 Fettler]

s1962a said:

One thing that will change things this time around, is the recognition these nutters represent a very tiny minority of muslims. If that happens and you get all the rest of the muslims on board then it should make it easier to wipe out ISIS.

Nothing personal, but wouldn't a world without religion be a better place? Imagine the advances mankind could have made and could still make without the diversions of religion.

[Mermaid]

V8 Fettler said:

Nothing personal, but wouldn't a world without religion be a better place?

Just tax the damn fantasy - atheists - 5% rebate, moderates extra 10% income tax, extremists - extra high rate tax.

[McWigglebum4th]

And here we go

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-287095...

No doubt we shall get some fkwit blowing themselves up in london as thanks

[V8 Fettler]

Mermaid said:

V8 Fettler said:

Nothing personal, but wouldn't a world without religion be a better place?

Just tax the damn fantasy - atheists - 5% rebate, moderates extra 10% income tax, extremists - extra high rate tax.

Unfortunately, the religionists have perfected the art of infiltration, note the religionist element at the fore during the recent commemoration of the start of WW1. I'll stop there before I start to rant.

[Jimbeaux]

McWigglebum4th said:

And here we go

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-287095...

No doubt we shall get some fkwit blowing themselves up in london as thanks

A bit of a side track, but this part of the article looks like a bit off of "Game of Thrones"

"Yazidis-
Secretive group whose origins and ethnicity are subject to continuing debate
Religion incorporates elements of many faiths, including Zoroastrianism
Many Muslims and other groups view Yazidis as devil worshippers
There are estimated to be around 500,000 Yazidis worldwide, most living in Iraq's Nineveh plains"

[anonymous-user]

It should said that ISIS are so extreme that Al Qaeda do not want them to be affiliated with them. AQ are very dangerous so it puts ISIS and their actions in perspective.

As I understand it, US involvement is about protecting the civilian population of Iraq and their own people rather than dealing with ISIS directly. The Iraqi government needs to sort itself out and become inclusive of all iraqis. Some of the Sunni population are supporting ISIS because the Iraqi government isn't supporting them and driving them towards ISIS.

The current mess is pretty much down to Al Malaki effectively punishing the Sunni because of Saddam's persecution of the Shia population for the decades before he was deposed.

The war in Iraq was wrong and is being proven wrong everyday, the Americans should have got rid of Saddam's sons and no doubt the problem would have been sorted out internally without all the trouble.