Sir Cliff Richard
Discussion
Blamefest, Vol 97. MPs accuse police of incompetence. Leak to BBC alleged to come from Scotland Yard.
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-09-02/bbc-and-p...
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-09-02/bbc-and-p...
25NAD90TUL said:
And what's an expensive lawyer and a lot grannies compared to an entire ethnic group with a fanatical religous following? Coupled with possible career problems?
As well as the race, PC angle don't forget the threads of power stretching from Rotherham back to London and party high ups, just as there may be to Elm House B&B in Barnes. There you go, I linked Cliff to Rotherham via high ranking politicians in Westminster. If the material about Elm House and who frequented it are legit.
So to date the only people grilled about Elm House are a Priest in Norfolk that officiated at Frank Bruno's wedding and 'Kitty'?
1400 teenage girls sexually exploited and terrorised over a 16 year period moves the spotlight away from anyone that may have frequented Elm House.
The sexual exploitation of minors is being normalised? It's less of a problem if the well connected Great and the Good are up to it if thousands of Plebs in the North are doing it too? It's just at the darker end of the Diversity grey scale?
Unintended consequences? 'Today is a good day to hide bad news' etc.?
Why do I think that photo of Jo Moore pushing her pushbike is like that photo of Denis McShame in his red British Heart Foundation sweatshirt after he was released for expenses fraud? The fashion legacy of Michael Foot?
Why do I think that photo of Jo Moore pushing her pushbike is like that photo of Denis McShame in his red British Heart Foundation sweatshirt after he was released for expenses fraud? The fashion legacy of Michael Foot?
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 2nd September 22:15
@ Bread, I'm not about to suggest for a minute that people organised or orchestrated the abuse of 1400 kids in order to create a diversion over Elm House etc.
My suggestion was that this known activity had been shelved for future use. That is to say, it had been kept hush-hush until a convenient time to be used as a diversionary tactic.
That isn't the same as creating the abuse situation for that purpose.
You do like to put your own brand of spin on what people have said bud!
My suggestion was that this known activity had been shelved for future use. That is to say, it had been kept hush-hush until a convenient time to be used as a diversionary tactic.
That isn't the same as creating the abuse situation for that purpose.
You do like to put your own brand of spin on what people have said bud!
Vipers said:
Anyway, how is Harry Webb doing these days?
Pretty well by all accounts, he's been relaxing with pals on the Algarve today according to MSN news. And recently been in talks with Police and BBC about the raid. His sales aren't doing too bad either, although not in the same stratosphere as the sales of, the genius that is...
Kate Bush.
Personally my own opinion is that Sir Harry has little to worry about, any one else thinking similarly?
25NAD90TUL said:
@ Bread, I'm not about to suggest for a minute that people organised or orchestrated the abuse of 1400 kids in order to create a diversion over Elm House etc.
My suggestion was that this known activity had been shelved for future use. That is to say, it had been kept hush-hush until a convenient time to be used as a diversionary tactic.
That isn't the same as creating the abuse situation for that purpose.
You do like to put your own brand of spin on what people have said bud!
OK, so in the 1970s some pols commit some very bad crimes. They then sweat it out until the late 90s and early 00s, worrying that they might get caught, when lo and behold along comes a big bunch of crimes. Oh goody, say the pols, we won't tell anyone about this, and will just bank it in case anyone ever asks what we did in the 70s. Mwahahahahahahahahahah, etc.My suggestion was that this known activity had been shelved for future use. That is to say, it had been kept hush-hush until a convenient time to be used as a diversionary tactic.
That isn't the same as creating the abuse situation for that purpose.
You do like to put your own brand of spin on what people have said bud!
Don't you ever step back from your theories and say "eh?"?
I'm not sure I get your point Breadvan72. I thought it had been established that having 'dirt' on people, like some of the Great and the Good paying to have sex with young lads, was a way of gaining power over them?
Newspaper articles based on an FOI trawl of how many police officers have been told off for FaceBork and other Soshul Mejia misuse with a police spokesperson explaining that leaving stuff online could leave officers vulnerable to blackmail.
Information doesn't have value if you don't use it. I think the shelf life of information can be dependent on several factors.
Jo Moore's 'Today would be a good day to hide bad news'. Some days are better than others for taking information and filing it away for future use.
The timing between the BBC televised raid on Cliff's place and the revelations of mass sexual exploitation of minors in Rotherham isn't a wee bit odd? It's just a coincidence? It's not a bit odd that supposedly the BBC phoned the police after getting a leak and only had a name and then the police give them loads of information about how to get the pictures? What's to say the leak that led the BBC to call the police and say 'Cliff Richard' to then be spoon fed by the police about how to report it wasn't orchestrated? Newspapers don't report police 'sting' operations? So what's to say the leak to the BBC that initiated the 'Cliff Richard' call wasn't staged?
Newspaper articles based on an FOI trawl of how many police officers have been told off for FaceBork and other Soshul Mejia misuse with a police spokesperson explaining that leaving stuff online could leave officers vulnerable to blackmail.
Information doesn't have value if you don't use it. I think the shelf life of information can be dependent on several factors.
Jo Moore's 'Today would be a good day to hide bad news'. Some days are better than others for taking information and filing it away for future use.
The timing between the BBC televised raid on Cliff's place and the revelations of mass sexual exploitation of minors in Rotherham isn't a wee bit odd? It's just a coincidence? It's not a bit odd that supposedly the BBC phoned the police after getting a leak and only had a name and then the police give them loads of information about how to get the pictures? What's to say the leak that led the BBC to call the police and say 'Cliff Richard' to then be spoon fed by the police about how to report it wasn't orchestrated? Newspapers don't report police 'sting' operations? So what's to say the leak to the BBC that initiated the 'Cliff Richard' call wasn't staged?
Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 3rd September 07:46
I am not all that surprised that you don't get my point carinaman, as you appear long ago to have taken ship for Planet Zarg. My point is very simple: the chances that the Rotherham abuses were (a) staged, or (b) concealed in order to give pols an escape route if far earlier abuses in London came to light are remote. If a plan makes no sense, it is likely to be nonsense. You could at least do the Space Lizards the courtesy of not assuming that they are quite that daft.
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