Sir Cliff Richard
Discussion
desolate said:
A big factor is that the victim, and their family, would hush it up as much as institutions within which the individuals operated. Fear, embarrassment and the desire not to rock the boat.
Many who did rock the boat where ignored.
Indeed:Many who did rock the boat where ignored.
A quarter of a century to get PC Danny Bryant:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-po...
And due in court Exeter next year, this officer:
http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Devon-police...
A police officer charged with perverting the course of justice for seeming to protect a pervert.
graphene said:
Derek Smith said:
We imprison more offenders than any other western country other than the USA. There's around 100,000 prisoners at any one time.
86000, according to published figures. And our imprisonment rate isn't higher than other european countries.Austria 98
Belgium 108
Bosnia 80
Czech 163
France 103
Germany 78
Italy 100
Norway 72
Switzerland 87
I've not looked at all the European countries, but it looks to me like we're well ahead of almost all when it comes to imprisoning people.
graphene said:
Derek Smith said:
We imprison more offenders than any other western country other than the USA. There's around 100,000 prisoners at any one time.
86000, according to published figures. And our imprisonment rate isn't higher than other european countries.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_...
We have lower incarceration rates than New Zealand, Montenegro, Hungary and Poland......and are comparable with other European countries like Spain.
graphene said:
86000, according to published figures. And our imprisonment rate isn't higher than other european countries.
I stand corrected. The 100,00 is the UK and includes females.However, England and Wales have an imprisonment rate of 149 per 100,000 of the population the highest in the EU. Next comes Scotland: 146 per 100,000, Northern Ireland has a rate of 100.
Germany: 77 per 100,000.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prison...
Derek Smith said:
jimmyjimjim said:
Derek Smith said:
some 40% of the male population have a criminal record.
Good god, really? Got a source? I'm not disputing you, but that's a large number!No source that I can link to. It was what I was told in 2002 from CRO records office. I was getting some stick from my boss because 'most' of my volunteers had CRO records, he feeling that this might be picked up by defences and used against an ID. So I did some research and discovered that there was a higher percentage amongst the general population than amongst my volunteers. The actual percentage was a bit above 40%.
This included all offences: those spent, those juvenile, those subject to ticketing, those with records when in the forces, all that sort of thing.
Remarkable indeed. Our guess in the office was from 15% to 25%, with me and my sergeant taking the higher ground.
I always hoped that there would be some argument about it in court but it never arose. One of my regulars had precons for GBH and GBH with intent. He was a very pleasant chap, quite intelligent, certainly well read - you could find him in the library most of the time - but could get nasty if he'd had a drink or three. We had a couple of burglars and on one parade the suspect said hello to one of them.
For reasons I won't go into, we did CRO checks on three firemen and found that all three were CRO, this despite our belief that this would bar them from being employed. I'm not suggesting, of course, that 100% of firemen are CRO. But a record is more common than you think.
I lived next door to a chap in Rottingdean whose five bedroom, all en suite, three reception, one office and two kitchen house, with views across the large garden and over the swimming pool to the sea was also CRO.
Another time, although on a parade run by my sergeant when I was at court, a witness identified the suspect (whose name he had given to the OIC) and also identified one of the volunteers as a local burglar. The OIC thought it reinforced the identification and it was included in the sergeant's statement but excluded at court.
But 40% isn't that remarkable when you give some thought to it. We imprison more offenders than any other western country other than the USA. There's around 100,000 prisoners at any one time.
The above is from 2011, in a telegraph article about the new Police Database.
Wouldn't have thought that was 40% of the male population but it's certainly a good part of it!
I saw other figures from 2002 estimating 1 in 3 of males under 30 had records, so I guess 30% wouldn't be miles out.
REALIST123 said:
According to official figures a total of 9.2 million people in the UK have criminal records, which means the new database will hold information about up to six million people who have not committed an offence.
The above is from 2011, in a telegraph article about the new Police Database.
Wouldn't have thought that was 40% of the male population but it's certainly a good part of it!
I saw other figures from 2002 estimating 1 in 3 of males under 30 had records, so I guess 30% wouldn't be miles out.
I think there's a difference between what people consider to be a criminal record. I was after all recordable offences, or rather I had the option of which to pick. I was after the highest figure for justification. Further, juvenile offences were included which is not included in some stats.The above is from 2011, in a telegraph article about the new Police Database.
Wouldn't have thought that was 40% of the male population but it's certainly a good part of it!
I saw other figures from 2002 estimating 1 in 3 of males under 30 had records, so I guess 30% wouldn't be miles out.
That said, with all statistics (dare I say, especially with the police) they are not necessarily dependable.
For real figures, I'd exclude public order offences, serious motoring offences and minor assaults. Actually, for dishonesty offences and serious assaults, the percentage is rather low, certainly under 25%.
Derek Smith said:
It is quite a surprise, even for someone in the job.
No source that I can link to. It was what I was told in 2002 from CRO records office. I was getting some stick from my boss because 'most' of my volunteers had CRO records, he feeling that this might be picked up by defences and used against an ID. So I did some research and discovered that there was a higher percentage amongst the general population than amongst my volunteers. The actual percentage was a bit above 40%.
This included all offences: those spent, those juvenile, those subject to ticketing, those with records when in the forces, all that sort of thing.
Remarkable indeed. Our guess in the office was from 15% to 25%, with me and my sergeant taking the higher ground.
I always hoped that there would be some argument about it in court but it never arose. One of my regulars had precons for GBH and GBH with intent. He was a very pleasant chap, quite intelligent, certainly well read - you could find him in the library most of the time - but could get nasty if he'd had a drink or three. We had a couple of burglars and on one parade the suspect said hello to one of them.
For reasons I won't go into, we did CRO checks on three firemen and found that all three were CRO, this despite our belief that this would bar them from being employed. I'm not suggesting, of course, that 100% of firemen are CRO. But a record is more common than you think.
I lived next door to a chap in Rottingdean whose five bedroom, all en suite, three reception, one office and two kitchen house, with views across the large garden and over the swimming pool to the sea was also CRO.
Another time, although on a parade run by my sergeant when I was at court, a witness identified the suspect (whose name he had given to the OIC) and also identified one of the volunteers as a local burglar. The OIC thought it reinforced the identification and it was included in the sergeant's statement but excluded at court.
But 40% isn't that remarkable when you give some thought to it. We imprison more offenders than any other western country other than the USA. There's around 100,000 prisoners at any one time.
It wouldn't even be half of that figure, it's nonsense.No source that I can link to. It was what I was told in 2002 from CRO records office. I was getting some stick from my boss because 'most' of my volunteers had CRO records, he feeling that this might be picked up by defences and used against an ID. So I did some research and discovered that there was a higher percentage amongst the general population than amongst my volunteers. The actual percentage was a bit above 40%.
This included all offences: those spent, those juvenile, those subject to ticketing, those with records when in the forces, all that sort of thing.
Remarkable indeed. Our guess in the office was from 15% to 25%, with me and my sergeant taking the higher ground.
I always hoped that there would be some argument about it in court but it never arose. One of my regulars had precons for GBH and GBH with intent. He was a very pleasant chap, quite intelligent, certainly well read - you could find him in the library most of the time - but could get nasty if he'd had a drink or three. We had a couple of burglars and on one parade the suspect said hello to one of them.
For reasons I won't go into, we did CRO checks on three firemen and found that all three were CRO, this despite our belief that this would bar them from being employed. I'm not suggesting, of course, that 100% of firemen are CRO. But a record is more common than you think.
I lived next door to a chap in Rottingdean whose five bedroom, all en suite, three reception, one office and two kitchen house, with views across the large garden and over the swimming pool to the sea was also CRO.
Another time, although on a parade run by my sergeant when I was at court, a witness identified the suspect (whose name he had given to the OIC) and also identified one of the volunteers as a local burglar. The OIC thought it reinforced the identification and it was included in the sergeant's statement but excluded at court.
But 40% isn't that remarkable when you give some thought to it. We imprison more offenders than any other western country other than the USA. There's around 100,000 prisoners at any one time.
ATTAK Z said:
heppers75 said:
Mungo Jerry
In the early eighties ?heppers75 said:
Still going by all accounts... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mungo_Jerry
So you reckon their highest chart entry got to no. 14 in 1983 ?ATTAK Z said:
heppers75 said:
Still going by all accounts... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mungo_Jerry
So you reckon their highest chart entry got to no. 14 in 1983 ?Derek Smith said:
I think there's a difference between what people consider to be a criminal record. I was after all recordable offences, or rather I had the option of which to pick. I was after the highest figure for justification. Further, juvenile offences were included which is not included in some stats.
That said, with all statistics (dare I say, especially with the police) they are not necessarily dependable.
For real figures, I'd exclude public order offences, serious motoring offences and minor assaults. Actually, for dishonesty offences and serious assaults, the percentage is rather low, certainly under 25%.
I remember in the figures in early eighties that around 30% of males and 7.5% of females had a criminal record. I believe they were considered reasonably accurate at the time.That said, with all statistics (dare I say, especially with the police) they are not necessarily dependable.
For real figures, I'd exclude public order offences, serious motoring offences and minor assaults. Actually, for dishonesty offences and serious assaults, the percentage is rather low, certainly under 25%.
heppers75 said:
ATTAK Z said:
heppers75 said:
Still going by all accounts... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mungo_Jerry
So you reckon their highest chart entry got to no. 14 in 1983 ?25NAD90TUL said:
First bit of sunshine and I start listening to R2 and local beeb radio (there's a clue there) nobody came up with who I was, if they had I would've coughed.
A years wages expected, and that was for a measly no 29 and no 14, imagine a number 1, then imagine Abba with 9 mumber 1s.
I can recommend the music game, but you have to be on the writing side or you get 10 or 5 %, still, my co-conspirators will get something...to add to their dole money
A years wages expected, and that was for a measly no 29 and no 14, imagine a number 1, then imagine Abba with 9 mumber 1s.
I can recommend the music game, but you have to be on the writing side or you get 10 or 5 %, still, my co-conspirators will get something...to add to their dole money
25NAD90TUL said:
Thanks??
My userID is the military code allocated to my DD, and therefore very cool!
My poor placings in the top 40 and top 20 were balanced by them staying in the top 40/20 for a lot of weeks, and continued airplay every summer since 83 and 85. Yes we did have Pan's people in the background. The songs are probably more popular now than they were then, just waiting for one to get picked up for a film, this happened to a friend of mine, admittedly his song was no 1 for 5 weeks in 75 but was then picked up for the film 'Shallow Hal' I kid you not, 'yes' he replied when he got the 'can we use your song' phonecall from Hollywood, I live in hope!
Yes Sir Jim was there but, as I wasn't 14 and didn't have tits he completely ignored me.
Afraid you can't score any points for me or BV yet, that'll have to wait until we know who was right...
Conspiracy theories, tin-foil hats, flying lizards etc well
Oh brb, Bodie and Doyle are knocking on the door...
My userID is the military code allocated to my DD, and therefore very cool!
My poor placings in the top 40 and top 20 were balanced by them staying in the top 40/20 for a lot of weeks, and continued airplay every summer since 83 and 85. Yes we did have Pan's people in the background. The songs are probably more popular now than they were then, just waiting for one to get picked up for a film, this happened to a friend of mine, admittedly his song was no 1 for 5 weeks in 75 but was then picked up for the film 'Shallow Hal' I kid you not, 'yes' he replied when he got the 'can we use your song' phonecall from Hollywood, I live in hope!
Yes Sir Jim was there but, as I wasn't 14 and didn't have tits he completely ignored me.
Afraid you can't score any points for me or BV yet, that'll have to wait until we know who was right...
Conspiracy theories, tin-foil hats, flying lizards etc well
Oh brb, Bodie and Doyle are knocking on the door...
Edited by ATTAK Z on Monday 18th August 21:11
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