Sir Cliff Richard

[25NAD90TUL]

And to bring all the music-biz talk back on topic...

Cliff Richard currently 500 record sales from this weeks top 40 as fans rally round and show support by buying his records!

Breaking news just on MSN!

http://t.music.uk.msn.com/news/sir-cliff-set-for-r...

OMG it's 'I still believe in you'

Remember he hasn't been found guilty of anything untoward!

[V8 Fettler]

Super Slo Mo said:

V8 Fettler said:

I can't think of a recent instance in the UK where the news item was so urgent and important that it needed a news helicopter on standby

In the days before either broadcaster had one, we used to get asked reasonably frequently to try and get one on station somewhere (that train crash where the land rover went onto the tracks springs to mind, probably around 2001).

We provided the camera and operator for this kind of thing, the trouble is, there are only a limited number of each available in the country, and generally they're all working, in transit somewhere or in for maintenance (or the operator is on a day off).

Realistically you can't get a camera and helicopter airborne on the same day as you request it, unless you're very lucky. So your choice is either you don't have an aerial news facility or you have one on standby. Unless it's a long, drawn out affair, but breaking news tends not to be like that.

I'm not particularly offering an opinion, just trying to explain the options as I see them. Aerial filming is expensive, which ever way you look at it.

No helicopter within - say - 1 hour then liquidated damages would apply under the framework agreement. Unfortunately, most aerial news footage = medjia fest, eg police raid on a has-been artiste's residence

[Mr GrimNasty]

25NAD90TUL said:

No, it was guessed ages ago but I'm keeping stum.

I made the mistake of mentioning an appearance on this is your life on another forum.

Never again. People just won't let it lie.







Oh, flip.

[25NAD90TUL]

Mr GrimNasty said:

I made the mistake of mentioning an appearance on this is your life on another forum.

Never again. People just won't let it lie.
Oh, flip.

Yes indeed, I only mentioned it in a throw-away 'popstars like us' kinda way when alluding to Mr Richard.

[V8 Fettler]

25NAD90TUL said:

This is so far off-topic I,m probably gonna get a warning but...

Try C, A minor, F, G. in that order.

Unchained melody, Ernie the milkman, strange town by the Jam...and maybe a thousand more hit records...

Try it in time with the words to unchained melody first C 'oh my' Am 'love' 'my' F 'darling I've' G 'hungered for your' C 'touch' etc, it changes third go round to CFG but you'll get the idea.

Yes it works with using formulae, eg: 1/4/5 that is the first (root) fourth note in the scale (of the root eg: C) and fifth note in the C scale! All pop songs made up this way.

Simples!

Amen to that

[mybrainhurts]

XCP said:

'alleged a legged nonce' would be a better term.

Fixed your spelling mistake.

[Mal001]

25NAD90TUL said:

This is so far off-topic I,m probably gonna get a warning but...

Try C, A minor, F, G. in that order.

Unchained melody, Ernie the milkman, strange town by the Jam...and maybe a thousand more hit records...

Try it in time with the words to unchained melody first C 'oh my' Am 'love' 'my' F 'darling I've' G 'hungered for your' C 'touch' etc, it changes third go round to CFG but you'll get the idea.

Yes it works with using formulae, eg: 1/4/5 that is the first (root) fourth note in the scale (of the root eg: C) and fifth note in the C scale! All pop songs made up this way.

Simples!

Cheers. I'll give that a try.....when I'm alone as I can't sing for toffee. Mind you that never stopped Cheryl Cole.

[25NAD90TUL]

Mal001 said:

Cheers. I'll give that a try.....when I'm alone as I can't sing for toffee. Mind you that never stopped Cheryl Cole.

I've taught, perhaps a few hundred to play over the years.

Watch guitar teachers, ask yourself, is it in their interest to teach quickly or slowly?

I've had people who had years of tuition couldn't play a lick, within an hour I had them playing 'wonderwall' or some other big hit of their choosing.

Is there a PH music section? I might start a thread there?

[Legacywr]

25NAD90TUL said:

I've taught, perhaps a few hundred to play over the years.

Watch guitar teachers, ask yourself, is it in their interest to teach quickly or slowly?

I've had people who had years of tuition couldn't play a lick, within an hour I had them playing 'wonderwall' or some other big hit of their choosing.

Is there a PH music section? I might start a thread there?

Book me in, I've always wanted a Les Paul!

[mybrainhurts]

25NAD90TUL said:

within an hour I had them playing 'wonderwall'

You bd

[ATTAK Z]

25NAD90TUL said:

............
Is there a PH music section? I might start a thread there?

Some nice guitars here

http://www.pistonheads.com/gAssing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[Super Slo Mo]

V8 Fettler said:

Super Slo Mo said:

V8 Fettler said:

I can't think of a recent instance in the UK where the news item was so urgent and important that it needed a news helicopter on standby

In the days before either broadcaster had one, we used to get asked reasonably frequently to try and get one on station somewhere (that train crash where the land rover went onto the tracks springs to mind, probably around 2001).

We provided the camera and operator for this kind of thing, the trouble is, there are only a limited number of each available in the country, and generally they're all working, in transit somewhere or in for maintenance (or the operator is on a day off).

Realistically you can't get a camera and helicopter airborne on the same day as you request it, unless you're very lucky. So your choice is either you don't have an aerial news facility or you have one on standby. Unless it's a long, drawn out affair, but breaking news tends not to be like that.

I'm not particularly offering an opinion, just trying to explain the options as I see them. Aerial filming is expensive, which ever way you look at it.

No helicopter within - say - 1 hour then liquidated damages would apply under the framework agreement. Unfortunately, most aerial news footage = medjia fest, eg police raid on a has-been artiste's residence

I'm not disagreeing with the last statement.

You'd never get anyone to agree to the first part though, unless the aircraft is pre-rigged with a camera (then it's no use for anything else), 1 hour is simply impossible (I know it was an example, I would suggest 4 - 6 hours is more realistic, plus transit time). It takes a good couple of hours to rig a helicopter, assuming no problems, longer if you need to have a live downlink.

That's with a camera, brackets, and camera operator on site waiting. No one would do that for free, not when both could be out earning money elsewhere.

The hourly rate would need to include the necessity to have both a camera and camera operator on hand all the time, and the helicopter pre-rigged, which would make the cost prohibitive. Or it puts us back into the same situation as we are currently.

Actually, if you can genuinely come up with a more cost effective way to do it, let me know, I'll suggest it to the guys that own the aircraft. They would probably make more money if the aircraft were available for other duties, rather than sitting on the apron waiting for a call.

[Wacky Racer]

Completely off topic, but it must be mind boggling how much somebody like Paul Mc'Cartney earns, who has probably had his records played every minute of the day and night somewhere in the world since 1963.

Regarding "Cliff".... innocent until proven guilty, the whole thing is a farce.

[ATTAK Z]

Wacky Racer said:

Completely off topic, but it must be mind boggling how much somebody like Paul Mc'Cartney earns, who has probably had his records played every minute of the day and night somewhere in the world since 1963......

Yea but didn't Michael Jackson own the rights to the Beatles' catalogue for a time ?

[kev b]

Paul McCartney owned the rights to Buddy Hollys catalogue and earned more than Buddy ever did from them.

Van Morrison is a very wealthy chap but doesn't collect royalties from Brown Eyed Girl as he signed away the rights around the time it was released, he is reluctant to perform it now as he has to pay for the right to sing it.

If Elvis wanted to record your song his manager would try to buy the rights at a low price, if you were reluctant then Elvis did not record the song and you made no money at all.

Elvis wanted to record "I will always love you" but Dolly Parton refused saying her songs were her children and she never sold them so Colonel Parker stopped Elvis from recording the song. Dolly had the last laugh when Whitney Houston had a mega hit with it.

[Wacky Racer]

ATTAK Z said:

Wacky Racer said:

Completely off topic, but it must be mind boggling how much somebody like Paul Mc'Cartney earns, who has probably had his records played every minute of the day and night somewhere in the world since 1963......

Yea but didn't Michael Jackson own the rights to the Beatles' catalogue for a time ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-23943...

[Rollcage]

25NAD90TUL said:

Mal001 said:

"It's a good game the music-biz, anyone can do it, just need a catchy rhyme and a few chords on an acoustic guitar. I'm always tryning to wrire a new one but the catchy rhyme doesn't come...yet."

This is what has surprised me. I'm currently learning guitar and couldn't believe how many great songs consist of 3 or 4 chords.

I've only had a dozen or so lessons and by using a simple formula you can string together some bar chords and have a decent tune. Not when I play it mind, the instructor makes it sound better!

This is so far off-topic I,m probably gonna get a warning but...

Try C, A minor, F, G. in that order.

Unchained melody, Ernie the milkman, strange town by the Jam...and maybe a thousand more hit records...

Try it in time with the words to unchained melody first C 'oh my' Am 'love' 'my' F 'darling I've' G 'hungered for your' C 'touch' etc, it changes third go round to CFG but you'll get the idea.

Yes it works with using formulae, eg: 1/4/5 that is the first (root) fourth note in the scale (of the root eg: C) and fifth note in the C scale! All pop songs made up this way.

Simples!

This is a great take on the four chord song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I (Vaguely NSFW)

[carinaman]

ATTAK Z said:

25NAD90TUL said:

............
Is there a PH music section? I might start a thread there?

Some nice guitars here

http://www.pistonheads.com/gAssing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

I came across this while wondering if 25NAD90TUL was Doug Pinnock from Kings X due to their hit Summerland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-2U-W1SoBw

How long does it take for a non-player to become a Guitar Teacher?

Does Summerland confirm to the four chord rule of thumb?

[redtwin]

Chim said:

25NAD90TUL said:

Chim said:

Sorry, I may have to declare a knockout in round 7 , although strictly speaking you are talking to me and not BV, with this being the case it will therefore have to be a knockout by way of a technicality. This decision has been made following your post as I temporarily replaced my PH referee hat with that of my PH detective one, following a short investigation I have discovered that no songs that reached the No. 1 position in 1975 appear in Shallow Hal. Further more, no song other than Bohemian Rhapsody stayed at No.1 for more than 5 weeks and since it is unlikely that Freddie managed to take a call from the afterlife I have to conclude that you are talking bks.

Should further evidence be presented I will replace my PH detective hat with that of appeal judge and consider it accordingly.

Hey I never said MY song was no 1 for 5 weeks in 75!

I said a pal of mine.

That pal is Dave Parton, who penned a song called 'sad sweet dreamer' for Sweet Sensation, as featured in 'Shallow hal'...

Ok I'll grant you this, might have been 74!

I only said I live in hope.

Hope that clears things.

Ok, Lord chief Justice Chim has reviewed the appeal, following further investigation it has been established that the song "sad sweet dreamer" reached the number 1 position in the UK in 1974 for 1 week. The song has subsequently been used in an episode of UK drama "Red Riding" in 2009 and the film "RUSH" in 2013. At no point during the investigation was the song found to have featured in "Shallow Hal, we have also found that the assertion of said song having been at No. 1 for 5 weeks to be wrong.

Given the finding of this investigation the Lord Chief Justice Chim duly rejects the appeal laid down and the original disqualification due to technical knockout still stands, this decision is based on extreme inconstancies in the evidence provided.

Further appeals will only be considered if launched in the European Courts, chances here are low though as they are an even more corrupt bunch of arses that we are, this and the fact that as Lord Chief Justice I have been bumming the EU commissioner for the past 2 years.

It may not have been in "Shallow Hal", but it HAS been in my head for the past 4 days now.

[Mal001]

25NAD90TUL said:

I've taught, perhaps a few hundred to play over the years.

Watch guitar teachers, ask yourself, is it in their interest to teach quickly or slowly?

I've had people who had years of tuition couldn't play a lick, within an hour I had them playing 'wonderwall' or some other big hit of their choosing.

Is there a PH music section? I might start a thread there?

Mine is good and well recommend in the area and there's no pressure to book lessons as "it's up to you if you what to learn"

Music section is in the Pie and Piston, always willing to pick up a few tips!