Sir Cliff Richard

[anonymous-user]

Guam said:

Breadvan72 said:

PS: under what legal power were your notes "seized" from you? You whole story reeks of BS.

I dont know, oddly when you are sitting in a war zone and that happens finding a lawyer to call is not high on the list.

As usual the Mighty BV has spoken, its BS because you wont pick up the phone and it is easier for you to revert to type then maybe learn that the world does not always function within your view of it.

This time you cant play the game the way you would choose as these are personal experiences that can be verified by contemporaneous information, like go on the Planes thread and check the photos out I have posted up on there you will find Armed A 10 aircraft at a base in Saudi (King Fahd) taken at the time of the first D notice, (as close to the custard test as one can get on something like this).

I can do similar with my location and timings on the second incident as well

The offer stands PM me contact details with a number and I am happy to discuss the full details off board.

So, this big secret is so secret that there are photos about it on the net? I reiterate the question: under what power were your notes seized. If under no power, why haven't you demanded them back? You are the one making assertions on a forum. You have been asked to verify them on that same forum and you decline to do so. I don't have to talk "off the record" if I don't want to. I choose not to participate in your fantasy life as Secret Squirrel. Sorry if that miffs you.

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

He has offered you his phone number, it's time for you to accept the offer....

Or are you scared you'll be wrong?

No, it's not, and no, I'm not. It's not for Guam to dictate terms of debate. He raised the issue here on the Forum. I have asked him some questions that he declines to answer. He doesn't have to answer them - this is just a Forum - but I don't have to have phone calls with someone I don't know about something said in an internet chattering session.

[WinstonWolf]

Breadvan72 said:

WinstonWolf said:

He has offered you his phone number, it's time for you to accept the offer....

Or are you scared you'll be wrong?

No, it's not, and no, I'm not. It's not for Guam to dictate terms of debate. He raised the issue here on the Forum. I have asked him some questions that he declines to answer. He doesn't have to answer them - this is just a Forum - but I don't have to have phone calls with someone I don't know about something said in an internet chattering session.

Nor is it for you to dictate the terms. The information has been offered to you but you are choosing not to accept the offer. That's your call but you can't claim that he declines to answer because the offer stands. All you have to do is pick up the phone...

[droopsnoot]

25NAD90TUL said:

btw I sometimes play in pubs and when I do our local PRS rep comes, spot-checks my set-list against the songs I have published with them and I get 89 quid each again.

Sorry to drag this up again, but where does that £89 come from? Is it taken from the pub's PRS license somehow? In which case I'm wondering how expensive a license is. Let's say a normal covers band turns up and plays ten songs, someone somewhere will be getting roughly £89 for each of those songs, so a total of £890 for the evening. I imagine the covers band doesn't pay it - most don't get anywhere near that for playing. Does all that work on hoping the PRS rep doesn't come to the pub that night?

[Justayellowbadge]

droopsnoot said:

Sorry to drag this up again, but where does that £89 come from? Is it taken from the pub's PRS license somehow? In which case I'm wondering how expensive a license is. Let's say a normal covers band turns up and plays ten songs, someone somewhere will be getting roughly £89 for each of those songs, so a total of £890 for the evening. I imagine the covers band doesn't pay it - most don't get anywhere near that for playing. Does all that work on hoping the PRS rep doesn't come to the pub that night?

Aiui, all PRS licensees pay into a pot, payments comes out of that, not individual establishments.

[anonymous-user]

and the £89 relates to a play on national radio.

[Derek Smith]

Justayellowbadge said:

droopsnoot said:

Sorry to drag this up again, but where does that £89 come from? Is it taken from the pub's PRS license somehow? In which case I'm wondering how expensive a license is. Let's say a normal covers band turns up and plays ten songs, someone somewhere will be getting roughly £89 for each of those songs, so a total of £890 for the evening. I imagine the covers band doesn't pay it - most don't get anywhere near that for playing. Does all that work on hoping the PRS rep doesn't come to the pub that night?

Aiui, all PRS licensees pay into a pot, payments comes out of that, not individual establishments.

I was told that if a pub/cub/shop wants to play music from a local band, or indeed a local school, in their premises they have to pay royalties as well. This was a moan from a shopkeeper who, he said, had been 'threatened by the royalties Mafia'. He refused to make a complaint so I didn't bother to check this assertion.

I wonder if you know whether this is correct.

[Justayellowbadge]

Derek Smith said:

Justayellowbadge said:

droopsnoot said:

Sorry to drag this up again, but where does that £89 come from? Is it taken from the pub's PRS license somehow? In which case I'm wondering how expensive a license is. Let's say a normal covers band turns up and plays ten songs, someone somewhere will be getting roughly £89 for each of those songs, so a total of £890 for the evening. I imagine the covers band doesn't pay it - most don't get anywhere near that for playing. Does all that work on hoping the PRS rep doesn't come to the pub that night?

Aiui, all PRS licensees pay into a pot, payments comes out of that, not individual establishments.

I was told that if a pub/cub/shop wants to play music from a local band, or indeed a local school, in their premises they have to pay royalties as well. This was a moan from a shopkeeper who, he said, had been 'threatened by the royalties Mafia'. He refused to make a complaint so I didn't bother to check this assertion.

I wonder if you know whether this is correct.

I've organised PRS licenses for a couple of events, and in that situation it is very much a flat fee. Same in the pub trade.

For exhibitions we have had to check if promotional videos shown on stands contain non public domain music and if so ensure PRS is in place, but not for the particular track/tracks.

However, my knowledge is limited to recorded music in the main, it may well be different for live. DJ's don't need, to my knowledge, to submit a playlist, for example, so it would surprise me if it goes down to individual pieces. The fee structure for live and DJs may well be different.

Someone whose exposure is more than passingly peripheral should be able to answer better than my narrowly informed guesses!

[GetCarter]

Justayellowbadge said:

Someone whose exposure is more than passingly peripheral should be able to answer better than my narrowly informed guesses!

See my earlier post.

[GetCarter]

Derek Smith said:

I was told that if a pub/cub/shop wants to play music from a local band, or indeed a local school, in their premises they have to pay royalties as well. This was a moan from a shopkeeper who, he said, had been 'threatened by the royalties Mafia'. He refused to make a complaint so I didn't bother to check this assertion.

I wonder if you know whether this is correct.

If a pub/shop/club wants to play music written by a local band and not published, it can do so without a PRS licence. If the band is performing covers, they do.

[25NAD90TUL]

GetCarter said:

If a pub/shop/club wants to play music written by a local band and not published, it can do so without a PRS licence. If the band is performing covers, they do.

No, covers bands don't pay royalties, the PRS pays the publisher the royalty from the venues' entertainment license fees.

Royalties are payed to a recording artist who performs hiw own work in public.

eta: any work not registered with PRS, no royalty is due. Or in the case of a bigtime tribute act eg, Brit Floyd, a percentage of ticket sales is usually agreed on with the writers.

Edited by 25NAD90TUL on Friday 22 August 12:45

[TheExcession]

WinstonWolf said:

Breadvan72 said:

WinstonWolf said:

He has offered you his phone number, it's time for you to accept the offer....

Or are you scared you'll be wrong?

[Rik Mayall]"Everyone just shut up and listen to me..." [/Rik Mayall]

Nor is it for you to dictate the terms. The information has been offered to you but you are choosing not to accept the offer. That's your call but you can't claim that he declines to answer because the offer stands. All you have to do is pick up the phone...

Fixed that for you.

[WinstonWolf]

TheExcession said:

WinstonWolf said:

Breadvan72 said:

WinstonWolf said:

He has offered you his phone number, it's time for you to accept the offer....

Or are you scared you'll be wrong?

[Rik Mayall]"Everyone just shut up and listen to me..." [/Rik Mayall]

Nor is it for you to dictate the terms. The information has been offered to you but you are choosing not to accept the offer. That's your call but you can't claim that he declines to answer because the offer stands. All you have to do is pick up the phone...

Fixed that for you.

Very apt Ex

[GetCarter]

25NAD90TUL said:

GetCarter said:

If a pub/shop/club wants to play music written by a local band and not published, it can do so without a PRS licence. If the band is performing covers, they do.

No, covers bands don't pay royalties, the PRS pays the publisher the royalty from the venues' entertainment license fees.

Royalties are payed to a recording artist who performs hiw own work in public.

eta: any work not registered with PRS, no royalty is due. Or in the case of a bigtime tribute act eg, Brit Floyd, a percentage of ticket sales is usually agreed on with the writers.

Edited by 25NAD90TUL on Friday 22 August 12:45

We are saying the same thing. It's the venue that needs the PRS Licence, but they don't if the band is playing original unpublished material

[25NAD90TUL]

GetCarter said:

We are saying the same thing. It's the venue that needs the PRS Licence, but they don't if the band is playing original unpublished material

Yes I see we are, sorry about that!

[25NAD90TUL]

WinstonWolf said:

Very apt Ex

What's your take on all this?

D'you think it's a possibility that celebs are being scapegoated to take our attention from the politicians that are being outed?

Do you think it's possible that succesive governments may have conspired to keep things secret?

What about the 'power' wielded by Savile for example? Seems a lot of people knew who were scared to say anything.

Just curious, I know you're a prolific poster.

Cliff obviously we can't say yet.

One thing I read about Cliff is that he objected to his home being searched without notifying him. Is it normal to notify a suspect, given that it then gives them warning so that they can dispose of evidence? Obviously they don't do this in drugs cases.

[WinstonWolf]

25NAD90TUL said:

WinstonWolf said:

Very apt Ex

What's your take on all this?

D'you think it's a possibility that celebs are being scapegoated to take our attention from the politicians that are being outed?

Do you think it's possible that succesive governments may have conspired to keep things secret?

What about the 'power' wielded by Savile for example? Seems a lot of people knew who were scared to say anything.

Just curious, I know you're a prolific poster.

Cliff obviously we can't say yet.

One thing I read about Cliff is that he objected to his home being searched without notifying him. Is it normal to notify a suspect, given that it then gives them warning so that they can dispose of evidence? Obviously they don't do this in drugs cases.

My take is that Gerard has taken his ball home.

[Pothole]

MikeT66 said:

25NAD90TUL said:

And to bring all the music-biz talk back on topic...

Cliff Richard currently 500 record sales from this weeks top 40 as fans rally round and show support by buying his records!

Breaking news just on MSN!

http://t.music.uk.msn.com/news/sir-cliff-set-for-r...

OMG it's 'I still believe in you'

Remember he hasn't been found guilty of anything untoward!

I agree, 25NAD90TUL, and in a show of bizarre solidarity with the beleagured Sir Cliff I went a bought one of his old records - Miss You Nights. I had a bit of a sing-a-long until the lines...

"I've had many times, I can tell you,
Times when innocence I'd trade for company,
And children saw me crying,
I thought I'd had my share of that...."

Oh. Oh dear. Get the Marilyn Manson CD back on, I think.

Cliff didn't write the song.

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

Breadvan72 said:

WinstonWolf said:

He has offered you his phone number, it's time for you to accept the offer....

Or are you scared you'll be wrong?

No, it's not, and no, I'm not. It's not for Guam to dictate terms of debate. He raised the issue here on the Forum. I have asked him some questions that he declines to answer. He doesn't have to answer them - this is just a Forum - but I don't have to have phone calls with someone I don't know about something said in an internet chattering session.

Nor is it for you to dictate the terms. The information has been offered to you but you are choosing not to accept the offer. That's your call but you can't claim that he declines to answer because the offer stands. All you have to do is pick up the phone...

Has Guam invented a new mode of internet discourse? 1. Make a statement on the internet. 2. When challenged about it on the very same internet, refuse to discuss it save on a phone call. I might try this. I have X Ray vision, my car goes 400 mph, and every morning Uma Thurman comes to my place and paints my toenails. If anyone wants to query any of this, they have to ring me on 1-800-Bullst.

[Digger]

As a casual observer BV I'm hoping this might perhaps be helpful?