Sir Cliff Richard
Discussion
Jimboka said:
The magistrate should have had well established grounds to grant a search warrant.
Getting publicity on the 6 O'Clock news isn't one of them...
Can't help thinking this is a clusterfGetting publicity on the 6 O'Clock news isn't one of them...
k of immense proportions by plod & the beeb.First thing the search team would have done is nab any laptops/hard drives & go through them. If anything untoward is found the person is almost always arrested within a few days.
Oopsy daisy.
Justayellowbadge said:
Hilts said:
Justayellowbadge said:
So.
Cliff Richard.
He's a one, eh?
You're on thin ice son.Cliff Richard.
He's a one, eh?
Just IMO.
Feel free to ignore.
As far as I know 'He's a one' has no negative connotations, it is akin to 'he's a card' or similar meaningless exclamations.
Merely attempting to remind that the thread is not about BV's opinion on Guam, DAs or any other recent tangent.
The clue being in the thread title.
What else could that mean in this context?
What do 'you' mean exactly by he's a one?
Good looking guy?
Successful singer?
Kiddie fiddler?
Rapist?
Young Ones collaborator?
It was pretty obvious to me that JAYB was simply suggesting that we'd done enough talking about something pretty marginal to the thread and might have a bit of a chinwag about that Cliff.
Having said that, there is pretty much foog all to say about that Cliff save that he is a rubbish singer, looks a bit orange, and is being investigated for a possible offence, as to which only time will tell.
Having said that, there is pretty much foog all to say about that Cliff save that he is a rubbish singer, looks a bit orange, and is being investigated for a possible offence, as to which only time will tell.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 23 August 18:22
Hilts said:
Breadvan72 said:
there is pretty much foog all to say about that Cliff save that he is a rubbish singer,
I liked 'Wired for sound'.Quite outstaing determination and really into the Sebastian Coe class for pure focus and total commitment. Cliff's enter life has been totally dedicated to keeping himself grounded and totally focused on himself and his career. Very few individuals can match that much concentration and single minded purpose. Given the success he has had for literally five decades and his lack of natural dancing, timing and singing ability I am singularly impressed with the result. Very few individuals could match that dogged and determined drive. For those reasons I admire the man.
Steffan said:
Hilts said:
Breadvan72 said:
there is pretty much foog all to say about that Cliff save that he is a rubbish singer,
I liked 'Wired for sound'.Quite outstaing determination and really into the Sebastian Coe class for pure focus and total commitment. Cliff's enter life has been totally dedicated to keeping himself grounded and totally focused on himself and his career. Very few individuals can match that much concentration and single minded purpose. Given the success he has had for literally five decades and his lack of natural dancing, timing and singing ability I am singularly impressed with the result. Very few individuals could match that dogged and determined drive. For those reasons I admire the man.
t at their trade.Steffan said:
I would agree that Cliff Richard is not a particularly good natural singer. He des not have the natural flair of Tom Jones or Tony Bennet or Frank Sinatra. However I can only admire the huge energy and concentration he has given throughout the last 50 odd year to improving himself and his career. He has driven himself on and on and on and on. Not at all easy.
Quite outstaing determination and really into the Sebastian Coe class for pure focus and total commitment. Cliff's enter life has been totally dedicated to keeping himself grounded and totally focused on himself and his career. Very few individuals can match that much concentration and single minded purpose. Given the success he has had for literally five decades and his lack of natural dancing, timing and singing ability I am singularly impressed with the result. Very few individuals could match that dogged and determined drive. For those reasons I admire the man.
He can't act either.Quite outstaing determination and really into the Sebastian Coe class for pure focus and total commitment. Cliff's enter life has been totally dedicated to keeping himself grounded and totally focused on himself and his career. Very few individuals can match that much concentration and single minded purpose. Given the success he has had for literally five decades and his lack of natural dancing, timing and singing ability I am singularly impressed with the result. Very few individuals could match that dogged and determined drive. For those reasons I admire the man.
Derek Smith said:
Steffan said:
I would agree that Cliff Richard is not a particularly good natural singer. He des not have the natural flair of Tom Jones or Tony Bennet or Frank Sinatra. However I can only admire the huge energy and concentration he has given throughout the last 50 odd year to improving himself and his career. He has driven himself on and on and on and on. Not at all easy.
Quite outstaing determination and really into the Sebastian Coe class for pure focus and total commitment. Cliff's enter life has been totally dedicated to keeping himself grounded and totally focused on himself and his career. Very few individuals can match that much concentration and single minded purpose. Given the success he has had for literally five decades and his lack of natural dancing, timing and singing ability I am singularly impressed with the result. Very few individuals could match that dogged and determined drive. For those reasons I admire the man.
He can't act either.Quite outstaing determination and really into the Sebastian Coe class for pure focus and total commitment. Cliff's enter life has been totally dedicated to keeping himself grounded and totally focused on himself and his career. Very few individuals can match that much concentration and single minded purpose. Given the success he has had for literally five decades and his lack of natural dancing, timing and singing ability I am singularly impressed with the result. Very few individuals could match that dogged and determined drive. For those reasons I admire the man.
Breadvan72, thanks for your explanations above. Very well explained, I struggle sometimes understanding legal speak, I think I have a good idea now, so thanks.
Apart from that I think Cliff is actually a pretty good pop star really, his singing is pretty reasonable, he has a voice instantly recognisable, was very good looking in his younger days, well guess he still is really and up until recently seemed like a pretty ideal British pop artist.
The media say he has some pretty bad skeletons in his closet, I can't say really, I have a deep mistrust of the media as well as mistrust of the establishment. I don't hold much faith in the courts really either and these historical cases seem to me to be a bit of a lottery, a lot of hearsay and I don't know how much hard proof can be brought to these kind of cases.
One of the things that worried me about the Savile case was the theme of 'He sexually abused me at his home, then did it another hundred and fifty times every time I went to his home' I struggled to imagine why, after an episode like that, the women/girls went back over and over again, it matters little I guess as there was never going to be a court case unless it was done via a medium.
I worry about the establishment thing though greatly, I forget the guys' name but an MP was asked on Newsnight about the posibility of things being hushed up and he replied something like 'there would have been a need to protect the establishment' can't recall his name, but I found his statement very worrying, and he was deadly serious like he thought that was perfectly valid.
I do worry that these former public school people grew up in an atmosphere where buggery was part and parcel, that's another thing, why is it that some people who were abused as kids then go on to abuse later on themselves? Surely knowing the pain and heartache of being an abuse victim they would not want to inflict that on another child.
As Manuel said to Basil 'I know nothing'
Best wishes all!
Apart from that I think Cliff is actually a pretty good pop star really, his singing is pretty reasonable, he has a voice instantly recognisable, was very good looking in his younger days, well guess he still is really and up until recently seemed like a pretty ideal British pop artist.
The media say he has some pretty bad skeletons in his closet, I can't say really, I have a deep mistrust of the media as well as mistrust of the establishment. I don't hold much faith in the courts really either and these historical cases seem to me to be a bit of a lottery, a lot of hearsay and I don't know how much hard proof can be brought to these kind of cases.
One of the things that worried me about the Savile case was the theme of 'He sexually abused me at his home, then did it another hundred and fifty times every time I went to his home' I struggled to imagine why, after an episode like that, the women/girls went back over and over again, it matters little I guess as there was never going to be a court case unless it was done via a medium.
I worry about the establishment thing though greatly, I forget the guys' name but an MP was asked on Newsnight about the posibility of things being hushed up and he replied something like 'there would have been a need to protect the establishment' can't recall his name, but I found his statement very worrying, and he was deadly serious like he thought that was perfectly valid.
I do worry that these former public school people grew up in an atmosphere where buggery was part and parcel, that's another thing, why is it that some people who were abused as kids then go on to abuse later on themselves? Surely knowing the pain and heartache of being an abuse victim they would not want to inflict that on another child.
As Manuel said to Basil 'I know nothing'
Best wishes all!
Again, you are welcome. It's possible to write about legal subjects without using opaque language, and I try to do so. On a couple of your observations and questions, abuse of a child has far reaching and long lasting psychological effects and one of these can be to make the victim an abuser. Similarly, the relationship of a victim to an abuser can be complex and the victim may not be able to get away from repeat abuse for reasons psychological as well as situational. In another context, look at how many adults who live with a violent partner repeatedly return to the relationship despite the violence. Stating the obvious perhaps, but people are complicated; and crude stereotypes, whether about the establishment, certain types of school, or whatever, may not offer much of an explanation. The term "the establishment" is an amorphous one, and I don't think that anyone gets issued a membership card, or that there is some clearly defined group of people that always act in their own interests, but there is a tendency for all institutions to become somewhat sclerotic and to seek to protect themselves.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 24th August 06:24
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