Sir Cliff Richard

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Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

245 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Qwert1e said:
Derek Smith said:
The fact that he's old is no reason to wipe the slate clean.
Yet the Lockerbie bomber, convicted of murdering 270 people, was released from jail on "compassionate" grounds and then lived for another three years.
Convicted, yes but there's an awful lot of reasons to believe he was a fall guy.

Halmyre

11,215 posts

140 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Einion Yrth said:
Qwert1e said:
Derek Smith said:
The fact that he's old is no reason to wipe the slate clean.
Yet the Lockerbie bomber, convicted of murdering 270 people, was released from jail on "compassionate" grounds and then lived for another three years.
Convicted, yes but there's an awful lot of reasons to believe he was a fall guy.
His conviction still stands, for what it's worth. The slate wasn't wiped clean. And the three years of 'freedom' don't seem to have been particularly of quality time - there wasn't quite the Ernest Saunders type miraculous recovery that many detractors were predicting. There were claims that he was seen jogging round Libya, but I'm not sure Donald Trump is a reliable witness.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Trumpist...

onyx39

11,125 posts

151 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
Trumpist...
Bring on the Trumpist!

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Digga said:
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Breadvan72 said:
I wouldn't go as far as Charles II, who had Oliver Cromwell dug up in order to be hanged and quartered (the drawing was no longer an option there).
But reality TV viewers might well pay to see Saville's corpse being bummed by a dog.
Send that format idea to Simon Cowell and you'll be rich, rich I tell you!

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Let's make it a multi season franchise. Viewers text in their votes for famous dead dudes who then get dug up and bummed on screen by assorted livestock and/or former members of mid level Boy Bands.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
Let's make it a multi season franchise. Viewers text in their votes for famous dead dudes who then get dug up and bummed on screen by assorted livestock and/or former members of mid level Boy Bands.
If you can find this chap, you're onto a winner there...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY4m5NakBtM

Digga

40,349 posts

284 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
Digga said:
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Breadvan72 said:
I wouldn't go as far as Charles II, who had Oliver Cromwell dug up in order to be hanged and quartered (the drawing was no longer an option there).
But reality TV viewers might well pay to see Saville's corpse being bummed by a dog.
Send that format idea to Simon Cowell and you'll be rich, rich I tell you!
I'd rather stay poor and away from Simon Cowell, but would happily allow you to take the franchise for your own gain.

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

243 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
Let's make it a multi season franchise. Viewers text in their votes for famous dead dudes who then get dug up and bummed on screen by assorted livestock and/or former members of mid level Boy Bands.
I'd stick with dogs.

Easier to train and less likely to soil the carpet.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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FPWM.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Digga said:
Breadvan72 said:
Digga said:
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Breadvan72 said:
I wouldn't go as far as Charles II, who had Oliver Cromwell dug up in order to be hanged and quartered (the drawing was no longer an option there).
But reality TV viewers might well pay to see Saville's corpse being bummed by a dog.
Send that format idea to Simon Cowell and you'll be rich, rich I tell you!
I'd rather stay poor and away from Simon Cowell, but would happily allow you to take the franchise for your own gain.
I once met a New York criminal lawyer, who told me that as a young man he was offered the chance to become a lawyer for the Mob. He said "I could have earned five times what I earn, had a house in the Hamptons, the whole nine yards; but I'd have had to stand next to John Gotti; so I said no".

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

243 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
I once met a New York criminal lawyer, who told me that as a young man he was offered the chance to become a lawyer for the Mob. He said "I could have earned five times what I earn, had a house in the Hamptons, the whole nine yards; but I'd have had to stand next to John Gotti; so I said no".
I guess the 'No win, no breathe' aspect of the arrangement can also be off putting.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Mob rules say that lawyers are off limits, apparently.

Back home, many of my chambers colleagues have taken the Oligarch Rouble. It's a big Rouble, but you wouldn't want to piss one of those guys off. I have not (yet) been offered the Rouble, so I can go about with my nose in my air and be ever so hoity toity.

These, Sir, are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. [/Groucho]

kowalski655

14,656 posts

144 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
Mob rules say that lawyers are off limits, apparently.

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I guess its as mob don't want to get their hands THAT dirty smile

Derek Smith

45,696 posts

249 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...

After a certain level, victims become merely numbers.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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kowalski655 said:
Breadvan72 said:
Mob rules say that lawyers are off limits, apparently.

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I guess its as mob don't want to get their hands THAT dirty smile
FPWM.

Chim

7,259 posts

178 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Derek Smith said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...

After a certain level, victims become merely numbers.
Very much this, forget all the bum grabbing and tittle tattle being investigated at huge cost. You can also put aside the tinfoil hats. This is simply astounding, massive levels of abuse of the most horrendous kind going on under the noses of the council and police and nothing was done. I would suggest that operation Yewtrees efforts could be far better employed here than trying to persecute, sorry, prosecute DLT for grabbing someones arse in the 70's

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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I agree. Institutional child care used to be dreadful and in many respects hasn't got much better (a useful corrective to those who clamour for the children of the underclass to be taken off their families and put into care).

Steffan

10,362 posts

229 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Derek Smith said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...

After a certain level, victims become merely numbers.
Indeed they do. The real tragedy in this is that there is no way to adequately address such a volume Of abuse. If someone suggests lessons will be learned I think they should be shot. And I am not a violent man.

Regrettably this level of abuse is just appalling and without examining the cases, which observers cannot do, we know from the start that conspiracy and evil sex offenders manipulating these disgraces from positions of responsibility and trust in supposed public service funded by the taxpayer will loom large in the offendinding tables. The absolute abject wrongdoing and evil practices that have been propagated and grown up within the public sector, and areas of children's support that have been funded by the taxpayers is absolutely appalling and cannot be allowed to continue.

This is just another example of the appalling ineffectiveness of public sector provision and supervision of virtually every activity provided by local authorities. I am seriously concerned that in Birmingham an external Education Commisioner has been appointed to attempt to put right the appalling mess that is the Education Department in that city and bring some responsibility and actual output from the thousands employed therein.

If there is one area in which our economy could be massively improved it would be in the rooting out and removal of all the waste and wanton largesse that is built into the current local authority ramblings. Birmingham has a Socal Services department that is in crisis and has been in crisis for at least the thirty years I have known it. The waste and employment of idiots has to be seen to be believed and the complete failure to deal effectively with any of their supposed jobs. Children of the At Risk register have been murdered and raped and suffered every form of abuse and social services are too busy wasting time to actually intervene.

The Birmingham Education Department knew about the Trojan horse nonsenses in the various schools now in special measures for several years before one anonymous letter precipitated the furore that has now arisen over the praractices therein and the dsgraceful debasing of education in those schools. The ludicrous part about this is that every taxpayer is contributing in good faith to providing the money needed to run these bodies correctly and the entire mass of public sector administration is just appallingly badly run with disgraces like these that have gone on for years happily ignored by the actual individuals responsible for this mess. Whilst earning daft unaffordable salaries for doIng sod all and ruining the lives of the very people that the taxpayers are seeking to support.

Waste in public service, which will be increased by the Education Commissioner appointent, because the incompetant government will add this post to the existing provision of education (!!.??) in Birmingham and the Commisioner will need staff to be effective over a large local authority. And with all this waste and dsgraceful behaviour this reveals just look at the appalling details quoted on this thread. The efficient management and effective leadership of public sector activities removed from local authorities could save the bacon of the poor overworked taxpayers and prevent the kind of disgraces we are looking at on here. I rest my case.

carinaman

21,326 posts

173 months

Tuesday 26th August 2014
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Derek Smith said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...

After a certain level, victims become merely numbers.
I caught the end of that on BBC radio news, and then heard it fully on the next news broadcast.

It could seem that Danczuk's sticking to it to Fahy was well timed:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2726975/...

Let's not forget Danczuk's point that it was an Asian Prosecutor that dealt with the problem in Rochdale.

Fahy wants plod to have access to our medical records so they can better 'serve' the public? I am not sure where that sits with that Inspector's daughter with GMP tipping off the family of Dale Cregan, or the two other officers that left GMP without prosecution despite data protection failings, and then the news that the authorities knew what was going on in Rotherham but did nothing about it, just as they did nothing about Cyril Smith and Jimmy Savile.

Remember folks, crime is going down.

Well it would wouldn't it if you pretend you don't see it.

Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 26th August 15:45