Missouri Riots

[unrepentant]

dudleybloke said:

And I'm far from stupid.

No, you're just stupid.

[dudleybloke]

Whatever.

Its I thought we are all striving for equality and its only going to happen if its a level playing field for everyone with the exception of those people with disabilities.
What's racist about judging everbody by the same standards.


Expecting different standards based purely on race is actually extremely stereotyping and provides ammunition for the real racists.

Edited by dudleybloke on Wednesday 20th August 05:19

[Pommygranite]

paranoid airbag said:

dudleybloke said:

I think its funny how in this day and age, when a black man with an Arab sounding name can be president there's still black people who didn't try hard at school blaming their situation on "the man".

This is the problem with forums. That is just incredibly stupid and ignorant of basic statistics.

Here, read up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlier

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_distribut...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significa...

Honestly you shouldn't be commenting until you understand at least some of the words in those links.

Alternatively, you might be very racist and deliberately using misleading arguments I suppose.

Sorry to be blunt but there really is no kinder term than "incredibly stupid". Because it just is.

To add a little balance Obama himself touch on 'no more excuses' just last year in relation to black graduates.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/obama-t...

[BertieWooster]

DJRC said:

I was put on a Kristalnacht list in Munich last yr with a lovely Star of David daubed on my front door and some interesting phrases/threats/promises.

My solution was English willow and a middle that absolutely knows the way to long on and midwicket. fk moderation, anybody coming through my door that night or the night after was getting a very rapid introduction to cow corner.

So, how was your life made difficult?

Which area of Munich was that out of interest DJRC?

[Grumfutock]

anonymous said:

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This would explain why the African continent is such a roaring successes then?

[alfaman]

anonymous said:

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I have to think 'victim mentality' has had a lot to do with lack of success. Slavery was ended over 150? Years ago and equal rights were enshrined at least a generation or 2 ago...

How come immigrants to the US from countries such as Vietnam, china, Philippines etc seem to be much more successful from a standing start less than 40 years ago without the benefit of citizenship, little cultural understanding and not being able to speak good English ( OK .. some may do..) or having a US education...

Seem to have more success than many in the Afro-American community?

[DJRC]

BertieWooster said:

DJRC said:

I was put on a Kristalnacht list in Munich last yr with a lovely Star of David daubed on my front door and some interesting phrases/threats/promises.

My solution was English willow and a middle that absolutely knows the way to long on and midwicket. fk moderation, anybody coming through my door that night or the night after was getting a very rapid introduction to cow corner.

So, how was your life made difficult?

Which area of Munich was that out of interest DJRC?

West schwabing. Not too far from billion dollar painting man!

[ATG]

Biscuit dunker said:

If not, and I assume that's the case, you must surely agree the cause is environment?

It is. But that environment is the product of all racial and social groups in the society.

[ATG]

re. level playing field. The US playing field is not level at all. Ferguson's community services and schools are primarily financed by local tax and the local economy is weak so the tax take is small so the services and schools are poor. It's a viscous circle. US democracy is far more devolved than in the UK hence why you get disjointed and overlapping police forces, tax authorities, courts and limited fiscal transfers. If a community feels disenfranchised they don't bother to vote and there is no proper accountability; another vicious circle.

[Randy Winkman]

LucreLout said:

Racism isn't a problem caused by history, its a problem caused by small minded stupidity and an inability of people to take accountability for their self inflicted failings.

I either agree 100%, or disagree 100%. Do you mean that small minded people are racist? Or that small minded people think they are subjected to racism?

[fido]

alfaman said:

I have to think 'victim mentality' has had a lot to do with lack of success. Slavery was ended over 150? Years ago and equal rights were enshrined at least a generation or 2 ago...

How come immigrants to the US from countries such as Vietnam, china, Philippines etc seem to be much more successful from a standing start less than 40 years ago without the benefit of citizenship, little cultural understanding and not being able to speak good English ( OK .. some may do..) or having a US education...

Seem to have more success than many in the Afro-American community?

The new immigrants don't have an underclass problem - they're pretty much 'middle-class' from the word go i.e. value education, respect law and order - not surprising given that they have probably overcome economic obstacles to get to the US. They are like the original US settlers in many ways.

I guess (some of) the Afro-American communities are no different from the underclass we have in the UK, except as other posters have commented on, it's even harder to escape the ghetto in the US. Not impossible though, but if you live in a neighbourhood of feckless low-achievers and your community leaders (Al Sharpton & Co.) have set you low targets then it's a hell of a mountain to climb.

[paranoid airbag]

dudleybloke said:

Interesting reading on statistics but I fail to see what that's got to do with the situation.

And I'm far from stupid.
A stupid person is someone who is too ignorant see the obvious solution to a problem and allows themselves to remain in poverty because they wont use the tools offered them to better themselves under some pretence of "not selling out" or whatever bull the real stupids spout.

If you're not stupid you wouldn't be using a single sample as evidence of lack of systematic bias. Only very stupid people do that.

You did use a single sample to conclude something about the overall bias, ergo you are stupid.

[dudleybloke]

paranoid airbag said:

If you're not stupid you wouldn't be using a single sample as evidence of lack of systematic bias. Only very stupid people do that.

You did use a single sample to conclude something about the overall bias, ergo you are stupid.

1. I'm typing on my phone so can't be arsed quoting and linking to stuff.
2. All my arguments are valid, as someone who improved his education at local evening college to a reasonably high level in my chosen field.
If I can what's to stop them.
(There was a module on statistics, it was boring, like hearing the same excuses for failure used time and time again)
3. Only the stupid try to win an intelligent argument with insults.

Now lets try and act civil please.

Edited by dudleybloke on Wednesday 20th August 12:11

[LucreLout]

Randy Winkman said:

I either agree 100%, or disagree 100%. Do you mean that small minded people are racist? Or that small minded people think they are subjected to racism?

Black and white small minded people are racist. There's several racists on this thread I've already responded too.


Edited to add:
Blaming slavery for your failure to make something of yourself is the second part of what I wrote. If you're a black 20 something in Europe or the USA, and you've accomplished nothing, then that ain't whiteys fault. Find a mirror. If you're a white 20 something in the Europe or the USA and you've accomplished nothing, it ain't the immigrants or their kids taking your jobs. Find a mirror.

Edited by LucreLout on Wednesday 20th August 13:10

[paranoid airbag]

dudleybloke said:

1. I'm typing on my phone so can't be arsed quoting and linking to stuff.
2. All my arguments are valid, as someone who improved his education at local evening college to a reasonably high level in my chosen field.
If I can what's to stop them.
(There was a module on statistics, it was boring, like hearing the same excuses for failure used time and time again)
3. Only the stupid try to win an intelligent argument with insults.

Now lets try and act civil please.

I can only assume your chosen field was creation science.

This isn't an intelligent argument since that requires two intelligent people. If you're too impatient for evening college level statistics, then sorry, you're just a bit too ignorant to accurately determine things like "whether racial bias exists" from information like "number of black people who do well".

That's fine, but kindly have the self-awareness to realise that rather than posting bks that annoy and distract those who can. That, or accept people will get angry at you for doing so, and call you stupid - the difference between ignorance (fine) and stupidity (not fine) is that self-awareness.

(If you did fancy giving it another shot btw, I have moonlighted teaching those things at undergrad level before. I must say you don't sound worth teaching, but hey, worth a shot.)

[dudleybloke]

Your the sort of person who likes to spout a lot of st in the hope of sounding clever but not actually solving anything.
Have you thought about going into politics.

I see a problem and a find a solution.
That's what engineers do.

And what's the saying?

Those that can, do. Those who can't, teach.

Edited by dudleybloke on Wednesday 20th August 13:42

[Beati Dogu]

alfaman said:

How come immigrants to the US from countries such as Vietnam, china, Philippines etc seem to be much more successful from a standing start less than 40 years ago without the benefit of citizenship, little cultural understanding and not being able to speak good English ( OK .. some may do..) or having a US education...

You can include black African immigrants in that too.

[dudleybloke]

Beati Dogu said:

You can include black African immigrants in that too.

Exactly.

Its an attitude thing.

[scherzkeks]

Grumfutock said:

This would explain why the African continent is such a roaring successes then?

History books will do that for you. You will need to read them though.

[paranoid airbag]

dudleybloke said:

Your the sort of person who likes to spout a lot of st in the hope of sounding clever but not actually solving anything.
Have you thought about going into politics.

I see a problem and a find a solution.
That's what engineers do.

And what's the saying?

Those that can, do. Those who can't, teach.

FTR, actual engineers tend to know statistics to a reasonable level. The "good" ones, like good people in any profession, know where their domain of expertise is, and generally don't try and claim false authority outside their area of expertise. I believe the profession most connected with solving social problems actually is politics: if your solutions are so great, what's stopping you going into it?

Anyway, how is your "solution" (which I assume consists of telling people to get a job) working? They stopped rioting yet?

How about now? No? Maybe that solution isn't working...

And sorry but I can't resist: you're, not your. You may be trolling on that one, I can't tell.