Missouri Riots
Discussion
LucreLout said:
Are you genuinely this hard of thinking or do you prefer not to see the truth?
Almost none of those rioting or looting were even born,then. Half of all black people alive weren't even born, then. It. Is. No. Excuse.
The failings of anyone under 50 are their own. Black, white, whatever. Its not race, its you.
That's an extremely naive point of view.Almost none of those rioting or looting were even born,then. Half of all black people alive weren't even born, then. It. Is. No. Excuse.
The failings of anyone under 50 are their own. Black, white, whatever. Its not race, its you.
LucreLout said:
Are you genuinely this hard of thinking or do you prefer not to see the truth?
Almost none of those rioting or looting were even born,then. Half of all black people alive weren't even born, then. It. Is. No. Excuse.
The failings of anyone under 50 are their own. Black, white, whatever. Its not race, its you.
Ok I get it, you're a moron. All is explained. Almost none of those rioting or looting were even born,then. Half of all black people alive weren't even born, then. It. Is. No. Excuse.
The failings of anyone under 50 are their own. Black, white, whatever. Its not race, its you.
There are some people (including some on PH) that think:
For themselves - all that they have is because of their own efforts and all that they don't have is because of someone else stopping them.
For others - all that they have is because of luck or bias and all that they don't have is their own fault.
For themselves - all that they have is because of their own efforts and all that they don't have is because of someone else stopping them.
For others - all that they have is because of luck or bias and all that they don't have is their own fault.
LucreLout said:
Are you genuinely this hard of thinking or do you prefer not to see the truth?
Almost none of those rioting or looting were even born,then. Half of all black people alive weren't even born, then. It. Is. No. Excuse.
The failings of anyone under 50 are their own. Black, white, whatever. Its not race, its you.
Really? So someone born in a poor household in a crap area has the same opportunities as a child of George Bush?Almost none of those rioting or looting were even born,then. Half of all black people alive weren't even born, then. It. Is. No. Excuse.
The failings of anyone under 50 are their own. Black, white, whatever. Its not race, its you.
ATG said:
LucreLout said:
Are you genuinely this hard of thinking or do you prefer not to see the truth?
Almost none of those rioting or looting were even born,then. Half of all black people alive weren't even born, then. It. Is. No. Excuse.
The failings of anyone under 50 are their own. Black, white, whatever. Its not race, its you.
That's an extremely naive point of view.Almost none of those rioting or looting were even born,then. Half of all black people alive weren't even born, then. It. Is. No. Excuse.
The failings of anyone under 50 are their own. Black, white, whatever. Its not race, its you.
"Yet another public black figure came forward last night on the networks and stated:
"A false narrative is being forwarded. One that implies the black community is afraid of the police because the police are killing members of their community. Let's be honest, the young black bodies being stacked in morgues around the nation are not put there by police but by other young black men. This particular incident may well prove to be the officer's fault or it may not. Regardless, the very infrequent shooting of a black person by police, and it is very infrequent, is nearly insignificant when compared to black on black violence".
On another network, the Rev. Jessee L. Peterson stated:
"Martin L. King, in a speech, stated that we are only 10% of the population yet we account for 58% of the crimes, we need to establish and nurture a moral direction in our lives and the lives of our children. Compare that to the poverty pimps of today, like Sharpton, who call looters liberators. This case was not neccessarily about race until you have the race-hustlers and poverty pimps like Al Sharpton and others who turned it into a race issue in order to gain power and wealth,".
when a number of black preachers/elders are coming forward and saying you have to look to yourselves then you have to think that they may have a better idea of things than we do
I think the point in all this is that there's no single solution. Those caught in the impoverished areas must strive to improve thier lot and not revert to crime and the 'if noone will help me I can't be bothered to help myself' mentality (which is the point being made by the black leaders). At the same time the state needs to look long and hard at what it can do to:
- neutralise race bias. Changing the laws 50 years ago on race is all well and good but did nothing to change the mindset of whole swaithes of the US (majority popultion) who look upon 'non whites' as a sub species with all that that sort of bigotry brings with it.
- significantly improve funding to poorer areas. Poor areas generally stay poor under the current system and you can see the evidence for this across the US. If you live in an area with crap schools, crap housing, crap jobs and few prospects you need to work an order of magnitude harder than a middle class person in a pleasant suburb to suceed and take a whole bunch of knocks in the process.
- try to ensure situations where a 70% black population are governed and policed by an overwhelmingly white administration. Such situations can surely never end well.
- neutralise race bias. Changing the laws 50 years ago on race is all well and good but did nothing to change the mindset of whole swaithes of the US (majority popultion) who look upon 'non whites' as a sub species with all that that sort of bigotry brings with it.
- significantly improve funding to poorer areas. Poor areas generally stay poor under the current system and you can see the evidence for this across the US. If you live in an area with crap schools, crap housing, crap jobs and few prospects you need to work an order of magnitude harder than a middle class person in a pleasant suburb to suceed and take a whole bunch of knocks in the process.
- try to ensure situations where a 70% black population are governed and policed by an overwhelmingly white administration. Such situations can surely never end well.
greygoose said:
Really? So someone born in a poor household in a crap area has the same opportunities as a child of George Bush?
No, but they did have the same opportunities as me.I'm not wailing, rioting, and stealing because I didn't make it to president.
Face it, the race card got played once too often and its now worn out. There as as many black racists as there ae white - more on this thread. Take a little responsibility for you lives.
LucreLout said:
Are you genuinely this hard of thinking or do you prefer not to see the truth?
Almost none of those rioting or looting were even born,then. Half of all black people alive weren't even born, then. It. Is. No. Excuse.
The failings of anyone under 50 are their own. Black, white, whatever. Its not race, its you.
And 49.5-year-olds? Some leeway there?Almost none of those rioting or looting were even born,then. Half of all black people alive weren't even born, then. It. Is. No. Excuse.
The failings of anyone under 50 are their own. Black, white, whatever. Its not race, its you.
What idiocy.
jjones said:
paranoid airbag said:
Yup, definitely a moron.
Your opportunities are dependent on your parent's wealth, idiot.
Tell that to Alan Sugar.Your opportunities are dependent on your parent's wealth, idiot.
Lucrelout missed the point anyway. If you're born dirt poor AND your community is subjected to institutional and historic discrimination your chances of success are diminished much further.
jjones said:
paranoid airbag said:
Yup, definitely a moron.
Your opportunities are dependent on your parent's wealth, idiot.
Tell that to Alan Sugar.Your opportunities are dependent on your parent's wealth, idiot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain#Family_an...
paranoid airbag said:
Yup, definitely a moron.
Your opportunities are dependent on your parent's wealth, idiot.
As are theirs. Your opportunities are dependent on your parent's wealth, idiot.
Any shade of ethnic skin colour is a positive advantage in Britain, not only do diversity targets drive hiring, but they also now drive promotions. A pair of tits and a preference for your own gender make it the holy trinity of opportunity - you just need to grab it instead of moaning about what my grandfather said about your grandfather. Its not relevant anymore, for either of us.
Thinking about the London riots...
I got talking to a chap in a bar in Clapham 4/5 years ago. He asked me to look after his drink whilst he went to the loo..since he was a big geezer I though best to do so. When he came back he was admiring my two friends dancing asked which was my wife -I said neither so take your pick - bit of banter etc..
Turns out he was born and bred in Brixton, dad never on the scene, got through school and trained as an accountant. Seen as a bit of a local role model for black kids and ended up getting involved in a local youth group. More than anything else the kids wanted a recording studio (the group had a lot of aspiring rap artists) so he used his contacts; did a lot of fund raising and raised - I forget how much he told me - but a lot of money to buy and install this recording kit.
He was very bitter about it as within weeks it was out of use - they weren't interested in engaging with a technician (who was giving up his time for free) to train them. Chap I met found one of them pulling knobs off the decks and when confronting him was threatened with a knife.
Fundamentally, he felt, they had no concept that they might have to learn to use it and that involved studying a few manuals, listening to an expert and putting the hours in experimenting. There was no appreciation for the effort that people had made on their behalf at all.
He felt it had all been a big waste of money and effort. He made a comment at the time which made me think of him during the riots: best thing to do with most of these kids is just give them £250 of JD Sports vouchers a month and let them just hang out with their mates.
I got talking to a chap in a bar in Clapham 4/5 years ago. He asked me to look after his drink whilst he went to the loo..since he was a big geezer I though best to do so. When he came back he was admiring my two friends dancing asked which was my wife -I said neither so take your pick - bit of banter etc..
Turns out he was born and bred in Brixton, dad never on the scene, got through school and trained as an accountant. Seen as a bit of a local role model for black kids and ended up getting involved in a local youth group. More than anything else the kids wanted a recording studio (the group had a lot of aspiring rap artists) so he used his contacts; did a lot of fund raising and raised - I forget how much he told me - but a lot of money to buy and install this recording kit.
He was very bitter about it as within weeks it was out of use - they weren't interested in engaging with a technician (who was giving up his time for free) to train them. Chap I met found one of them pulling knobs off the decks and when confronting him was threatened with a knife.
Fundamentally, he felt, they had no concept that they might have to learn to use it and that involved studying a few manuals, listening to an expert and putting the hours in experimenting. There was no appreciation for the effort that people had made on their behalf at all.
He felt it had all been a big waste of money and effort. He made a comment at the time which made me think of him during the riots: best thing to do with most of these kids is just give them £250 of JD Sports vouchers a month and let them just hang out with their mates.
LucreLout said:
unrepentant said:
Ok I get it, you're a moron. All is explained.
As you're such a small minded, ignorant racist whose critical thinking isn't critical, or indeed thinking by any normal definition, you can only imagine how little of a s
t I give about your opinion.
You give so little of a s
t that you have to underline my point for me. Schools back surely? Or are you playing truant?
Biscuit dunker said:
- significantly improve funding to poorer areas. Poor areas generally stay poor under the current system and you can see the evidence for this across the US. If you live in an area with crap schools, crap housing, crap jobs and few prospects you need to work an order of magnitude harder than a middle class person in a pleasant suburb to suceed and take a whole bunch of knocks in the process.
I left the thread but must comment on this point BD. You say "significantly increase funding of such areas". You may not realize it but funding has been provided, in many and various forms for decades. It is either abused by corruption of local leaders, or if used as intended, leaves those recipients asking for more instead of asking for a job. As for schools, this is the real fallacy. Schools not only have local funding, but state and federal funding streams as well. Programs exist to suppliment funding of schools that are in lower tax take areas. Go visit an inner city school and see how it is. Rowdy, undisciplined students, raised on a victim / entitlement mentality telling the teacher to "go fk yourself". Learning cannot occur in such an environment. It is not the schools, it is the parents; that is where these children learn/not learn how to act. "No home training" as it is referred to. Yes, there has been injustice, yes, the problem has multiple layers of complexity. However, until it is accepted within that community that they themselves have much to self correct, things will not improve. The time for blaming everyone else is long past its sell-by date. Just a thought. 
Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 21st August 14:44
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