Missouri Riots

[anonymous-user]

It's apparently a lot harder to build a tolerance up to pepper spray than it were for CS (horrible stuff).

There are still the issues of missing / partial hit / taking time to work.

This guy receives lots of it to the face and can still function: http://youtu.be/lTiZb6cXoqA

[Matt Harper]

La Liga said:

It's apparently a lot harder to build a tolerance up to pepper spray than it were for CS (horrible stuff).

There are still the issues of missing / partial hit / taking time to work.

This guy receives lots of it to the face and can still function: http://youtu.be/lTiZb6cXoqA

I suspect he's atypical though and perhaps under the influence of PCP or similar. My daughter is a cop here in the US and was subjected to pepper-spray, CS and Taser as part of her training - she said the pepper was a LOT worse than either of the other two trials.

I also note that a "Day of Silence" has been called for by the family of slain cherub Micheal Brown, so can we assume that normal rioting and looting will be resumed on Wednesday then?

[Jimbeaux]

Matt Harper said:

La Liga said:

It's apparently a lot harder to build a tolerance up to pepper spray than it were for CS (horrible stuff).

There are still the issues of missing / partial hit / taking time to work.

This guy receives lots of it to the face and can still function: http://youtu.be/lTiZb6cXoqA

I suspect he's atypical though and perhaps under the influence of PCP or similar. My daughter is a cop here in the US and was subjected to pepper-spray, CS and Taser as part of her training - she said the pepper was a LOT worse than either of the other two trials.

I also note that a "Day of Silence" has been called for by the family of slain cherub Micheal Brown, so can we assume that normal rioting and looting will be resumed on Wednesday then?

Since 97% of those arrested are from out of town, it is hard to say. Additionaly, local preachers have come out on the street denouncing the New Black Panther people as trouble makers, doing nobody here any good. Since then, things got a good bit better.

[Elroy Blue]

I see that the agitators...sorry activists are out in force. Jackson and Sharpton are a sucker for a free drink. Obama also sent three Whitehouse representatives. Nice bandwagon to jump on. Every bit the Politician.

[Jimbeaux]

Elroy Blue said:

I see that the agitators...sorry activists are out in force. Jackson and Sharpton are a sucker for a free drink. Obama also sent three Whitehouse representatives. Nice bandwagon to jump on. Every bit the Politician.

You saw that, huh? Three WH delegates to the funeral of a guy that robbed a corner store.....with the cop not yet shown to be guilty. There are a number of people shot, some by cops and the majority mostly not, did the WH sends delegates? There was an unarmed white kid killed by a black cop in Florida very recently; any WH delegates to his funeral? A person speaking for the NYPD stated this morning that 44 cops were killed in the line of duty in past years, no WH delegates ever showed face. This delegation will be of a higher level than the pitiful representation we sent to Thatcher's funeral I'll wager.

[Smiler.]

Just heard an item on R4 news about the funeral of this chap.

If this proves to be a racist cop killing an innocent black youth in cold blood, I'll take the following back:

• The BBC have firmly nailed their colours to the mast (no surprise there)
• Short of being able to walk on water, was this lad Jesus?
• I'd wager far more of the said demographic are shot within the community by the community than by cops in the US (in context to what I heard on the radio)
• The vile political capitol is almost material

[zygalski]

Elroy Blue said:

I see that the agitators...sorry activists are out in force. Jackson and Sharpton are a sucker for a free drink. Obama also sent three Whitehouse representatives. Nice bandwagon to jump on. Every bit the Politician.

So what is Obama to do in your wise opinion?
Ignore the incident? Try to sweep it under the carpet? Blame the black community?
I'm sure that would be exactly what Fox News & your good self would like most.

[irocfan]

zygalski said:

So what is Obama to do in your wise opinion?
Ignore the incident? Try to sweep it under the carpet? Blame the black community?
I'm sure that would be exactly what Fox News & your good self would like most.

well let's add a few things up for you zee:

kid was jaywalking (minor misdemeanor to be fair), actually walking down the centre of the road not exactly guaranteed to increase your life expectancy
assaulted a cop (if we believe the cop)
held up a convenience store

if he'd not done either of the 1st 2 he'd still be alive. If he'd continued with #3 he'd likely have ended up dead as well

[Elroy Blue]

zygalski said:

So what is Obama to do in your wise opinion?
Ignore the incident? Try to sweep it under the carpet? Blame the black community?
I'm sure that would be exactly what Fox News & your good self would like most.

I'd expect him to act like the President and Statesman he's supposed to be. Not blatantly jump on a bandwagon, before any enquiry and ignore every fact in the case that doesn't fit the agenda.

[unrepentant]

Elroy Blue said:

zygalski said:

So what is Obama to do in your wise opinion?
Ignore the incident? Try to sweep it under the carpet? Blame the black community?
I'm sure that would be exactly what Fox News & your good self would like most.

I'd expect him to act like the President and Statesman he's supposed to be. Not blatantly jump on a bandwagon, before any enquiry and ignore every fact in the case that doesn't fit the agenda.

You're talking out of your arse mate. Obama has been very circumspect in what he has said about this matter and cannot be construed as having jumped on any bandwagons. As for your earlier comments, one of the WH officials who attended went to school with the boys mother and one of the others is the head of the My Brothers Keeper taskforce.

[Elroy Blue]

unrepentant said:

You're talking out of your arse mate. Obama has been very circumspect in what he has said about this matter and cannot be construed as having jumped on any bandwagons. As for your earlier comments, one of the WH officials who attended went to school with the boys mother and one of the others is the head of the My Brothers Keeper taskforce.

Rigghhhht!

No Political agenda at all.....none whatsoever.

You don't think any move by a Politician at this level hasn't been considered by many advisors with the pros and cons carefully considered. You're very naïve if you do.

[unrepentant]

Elroy Blue said:

unrepentant said:

You're talking out of your arse mate. Obama has been very circumspect in what he has said about this matter and cannot be construed as having jumped on any bandwagons. As for your earlier comments, one of the WH officials who attended went to school with the boys mother and one of the others is the head of the My Brothers Keeper taskforce.

Rigghhhht!

No Political agenda at all.....none whatsoever.

You don't think any move by a Politician at this level hasn't been considered by many advisors with the pros and cons carefully considered. You're very naïve if you do.

He has to say something. You said he was bandwagoning which just demonstrated that you know nothing.

[zygalski]

Jimbeaux said:

zygalski said:

Elroy Blue said:

I see that the agitators...sorry activists are out in force. Jackson and Sharpton are a sucker for a free drink. Obama also sent three Whitehouse representatives. Nice bandwagon to jump on. Every bit the Politician.

So what is Obama to do in your wise opinion?
Ignore the incident? Try to sweep it under the carpet? Blame the black community?
I'm sure that would be exactly what Fox News & your good self would like most.

Then why does he not do the same for everyone killed, either by cops, by others of the same or different race, etc? Why does he not send delegates to funerals of cops and soldiers? I have a better idea, how about letting the appropriate local, state, and if need be, federal agencies do their job and keep hi beak out as is the protocol for all such cases. The world is on fire, he has more to deal with.

Perhaps he's trying to do his best to avoid exacerbating the problem?
If Obama did nothing I'm pretty sure the likes of your good self would be the first to criticise him if rioting got significantly worse.
He has to be seen to be doing something. To stand by & do nothing whilst a community tears itself to pieces would be somewhat reckless.
Large scale civil unrest is not in the President's interest.

Edited by zygalski on Monday 25th August 21:30

[Jimbeaux]

zygalski said:

Jimbeaux said:

zygalski said:

Elroy Blue said:

I see that the agitators...sorry activists are out in force. Jackson and Sharpton are a sucker for a free drink. Obama also sent three Whitehouse representatives. Nice bandwagon to jump on. Every bit the Politician.

So what is Obama to do in your wise opinion?
Ignore the incident? Try to sweep it under the carpet? Blame the black community?
I'm sure that would be exactly what Fox News & your good self would like most.

Then why does he not do the same for everyone killed, either by cops, by others of the same or different race, etc? Why does he not send delegates to funerals of cops and soldiers? I have a better idea, how about letting the appropriate local, state, and if need be, federal agencies do their job and keep hi beak out as is the protocol for all such cases. The world is on fire, he has more to deal with.

Perhaps he's trying to do his best to avoid exacerbating the problem?
If Obama did nothing I'm pretty sure the likes of your good self would be the first to criticise him if rioting got significantly worse.
He has to be seen to be doing something. To stand by & do nothing whilst a community tears itself to pieces would be somewhat reckless.
Large scale civil unrest is not in the President's interest.

Edited by zygalski on Monday 25th August 21:30

I would have been fine with it. a community with barely 20,000 is not really large scale unrest tbh. It is more damning to be seen to do nothing on matters of national and international significance IMO.

[zygalski]

Jimbeaux said:

zygalski said:

Jimbeaux said:

zygalski said:

Elroy Blue said:

I see that the agitators...sorry activists are out in force. Jackson and Sharpton are a sucker for a free drink. Obama also sent three Whitehouse representatives. Nice bandwagon to jump on. Every bit the Politician.

So what is Obama to do in your wise opinion?
Ignore the incident? Try to sweep it under the carpet? Blame the black community?
I'm sure that would be exactly what Fox News & your good self would like most.

Then why does he not do the same for everyone killed, either by cops, by others of the same or different race, etc? Why does he not send delegates to funerals of cops and soldiers? I have a better idea, how about letting the appropriate local, state, and if need be, federal agencies do their job and keep hi beak out as is the protocol for all such cases. The world is on fire, he has more to deal with.

Perhaps he's trying to do his best to avoid exacerbating the problem?
If Obama did nothing I'm pretty sure the likes of your good self would be the first to criticise him if rioting got significantly worse.
He has to be seen to be doing something. To stand by & do nothing whilst a community tears itself to pieces would be somewhat reckless.
Large scale civil unrest is not in the President's interest.

Edited by zygalski on Monday 25th August 21:30

I would have been fine with it. a community with barely 20,000 is not really large scale unrest tbh. It is more damning to be seen to do nothing on matters of national and international significance IMO.

You're missing the point.
I'm talking about large scale civil unrest like 1992 in LA after the killing of Rodney King. In my opinion the Missouri riots could easily become a catalyst for rioting elsewhere.
Could be wrong, but I think that is the main fear & reason for the softly softly approach.

[Beati Dogu]

Rodney King wasn't killed, he was Tasered & beaten up by the police after he tried to evade them in his car. It was their aquittal that sparked the riots. King only died 2 years ago. He was found drowned at the bottom of his swimming pool.


If they've got any sense in Ferguson, they'll wait until the winter when it's sub zero before they declare this shooting was a legitimate use of force.

[Qwert1e]

Beati Dogu said:

If they've got any sense in Ferguson,......

I think that's a long shot.

[Pesty]

The White House sent three officials to attend Monday's funeral for Michael Brown in St. Louis -- three more than it sent for former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's funeral last year.

The administration's handling of the Brown funeral already has started to raise comparisons between the two.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/25/more-wh...

[Jimbeaux]

Qwert1e said:

Beati Dogu said:

If they've got any sense in Ferguson,......

I think that's a long shot.

As is you knowing what you are talking about.

[unrepentant]

Pesty said:

The White House sent three officials to attend Monday's funeral for Michael Brown in St. Louis -- three more than it sent for former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's funeral last year.

The administration's handling of the Brown funeral already has started to raise comparisons between the two.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/25/more-wh...

It has? On FOX News? Seriously? Fox news is a right wing joke of a "news" organization that has a visceral hatred of Obama and is a megaphone for the racist and divisive elements of the republican party that just cannot accept that a black man was elected president. I'm guessing you must get your UK news from the Sun because that's about the standard of lowest common denominator reporting you get from FOX.

Nobody in the Obama White House ever met Thatcher so Obama was represented by two very senior former politicians who knew her well together with a former ambassador to the UK. Very appropriate. Or would you prefer he'd sent some young staffers who never met her? You think that would be better? Did you think at all before posting that?

In the case of Michael Brown's funeral one of the attendees was a school friend of the slain boys mother and another was the chairman of the My Brothers Keeper task force.