Missouri Riots

[2013BRM]

Seems to be that Black guys don't understand that the people they are dicking around are Cops, with guns, and a history of shooting Black guys who dick them around.
Right or wrong, if I was a Black guy living there I'd be awfully polite to the Cops

[irocfan]

strikes me cops over there need this as well as uniform mounted web-cam

[unrepentant]

The good news is that things will change in Ferguson. The African American community have woken up to the realization that their biggest weapon is the ballot box and they are finally starting to use it.

[carinaman]

unrepentant said:

The good news is that things will change in Ferguson. The African American community have woken up to the realization that their biggest weapon is the ballot box and they are finally starting to use it.

How much the municipal districts are supposed to take from drivers to fund themselves is supposed to be limited. Reportedly four municipal districts in St Louis are being looked at for exceeding that limit.

Look at the 'If you don't want a fine, don't speed' routinely trotted out in SP&L. It's about normalising the idea that if you exceed a posted speed limit you're a bad person that deserves to hand over some money, when in reality the 'offence' is about as serious as having an overdue library book.

[unrepentant]

carinaman said:

unrepentant said:

The good news is that things will change in Ferguson. The African American community have woken up to the realization that their biggest weapon is the ballot box and they are finally starting to use it.

How much the municipal districts are supposed to take from drivers to fund themselves is supposed to be limited. Reportedly four municipal districts in St Louis are being looked at for exceeding that limit.

Look at the 'If you don't want a fine, don't speed' routinely trotted out in SP&L. It's about normalising the idea that if you exceed a posted speed limit you're a bad person that deserves to hand over some money, when in reality the 'offence' is about as serious as having an overdue library book.

My point was that the community have woken up to the fact that if they vote they may get politicians and a police chief that are more representative of them.

[carinaman]

unrepentant said:

My point was that the community have woken up to the fact that if they vote they may get politicians and a police chief that are more representative of them.

Understood.

[dudleybloke]

During a march to commemorate the first anniversary of Mike Brown's shooting it appears that there has been another shooting injuring 2 teens.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/f...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33844201

[Some Gump]

dudleybloke said:

During a march to commemorate the first anniversary of Mike Brown's shooting it appears that there has been another shooting injuring 2 teens.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/f...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33844201

NOwt like a good peaceful demonstration. Especially one where you get to kick the st out of shops, peacefully. If it goes wrong, then it's the police's fault, obviously.

[Zoon]

dudleybloke said:

During a march to commemorate the first anniversary of Mike Brown's shooting it appears that there has been another shooting injuring 2 teens.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/f...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33844201

Does this not show that the problem is America's mentality towards guns?
Blame the white police all you want, but when a peaceful protest about someone who was shot dead results in two more people being shot dead, I think they need to have a quiet word with themselves.

[El Guapo]

Pistonheads Top Tip:

Do you reside in the USA? If you would prefer to not end up riddled with bullets lying in a pool of your own blood, do not open fire on an SUV full of armed law enforcement officers

[jimmybobby]

Or live by the sword die by the sword. Or live by the gun die by the gun.

I like how yet again everyone is going on about how its suspicious and it could not be his fault and the officers have shot him for no reason blah blah blah.

Press saying his girlfriend says he wasnt the one shooting blah blah blah.

So bored of this nonsense.

[Negative Creep]

I'm sure a Community Leader will be along soon to clarify this was the result of white police provcation

[paranoid airbag]

Zoon said:

Does this not show that the problem is America's mentality towards guns?
Blame the white police all you want, but when a peaceful protest about someone who was shot dead results in two more people being shot dead, I think they need to have a quiet word with themselves.

What problem?

Everything back to Benjamin Franklin's "democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner; liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote" says this is exactly what the second amendment is for. It's the defense of free weapon ownership trotted out every single time a school is turned into swiss cheese: we need guns in case we have a major beef with the gubbermint.

Well, a section of the population has a major beef with the government. At least partially justified (even if not by the exact incident being used as justification). FFS there are statues to prominent slavers down there, erected and maintained by the government, and they're expecting black folks to have any confidence in that same government treating them fairly?

Of course, you get the impression the defenders of free firearm ownership weren't thinking of black guys (or maybe they were...). Either way it's incredibly shortsighted to complain about people using a right you created to be used in this exact situation.

[Zoon]

paranoid airbag said:

What problem?

The problem of people getting shot everyday?

[Elroy Blue]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02z9dwh

A Police Chief actually saying it like it is. 'Journalists' have a lot to answer for.

[jimmybobby]

Elroy Blue said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02z9dwh

A Police Chief actually saying it like it is. 'Journalists' have a lot to answer for.

Yes and no. I disagree about the police needing more training as I think they do as in a lot of american police videos the officers have a piss poor customer facing attitude. Very confrontational attitude basically and they often seem to have little patience.

Look at how UK police officers approach and open dialogue with people compared to American police. he recent case of the African American woman who was arrested and died in custody. Personally I watched the initial stop video and have come to the conclusion he is not fit to serve as an officer at all.

He stps her and while intialy relatively polite he then asks her if there is something bothering her. She responds that there is that he has stopped her and she is not happy about it and immediately he gets agressive and drags her out her car for daring to answer his question and criticising him.

Likewise with the black guy choked to death by two officers. If you watch the video the officers came across as confrontational and crowded him which immediately put him on the defensive and in the end is what I feel led to the incident laying out the way it did.

The other issue is American peoples attitude problem as thats what I cosider it to be. They are rude and arrogant towards police officers and are very happy to let everyone know they "Know their rights" or "You cant do or say that I am an AMERICAN cistizen" as if those are magic words that solve all problems.

There is a very low respect level for the police and that shows in the way police and public interact. Sadly the UK is rapidly going the same way.

[carinaman]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ferguson-new-j...

[davepoth]

jimmybobby said:

There is a very low respect level for the police and that shows in the way police and public interact.

That's not the case in a lot of places I've been. All of my interactions with law enforcement in the US have been really rather positive, but then I am neither American or black.

Get out of the big cities and into the poor suburbs and rural towns and it's another matter. The police are often a major revenue earner for the city, badly trained, undermanned, poorly equipped, and really not fit for the complex job that is modern policing.

[scherzkeks]

jimmybobby said:

Yes and no. I disagree about the police needing more training as I think they do as in a lot of american police videos the officers have a piss poor customer facing attitude. Very confrontational attitude basically and they often seem to have little patience.

FYI, police officers are public servants. Citizens are not "customers"

jimmybobby said:

The other issue is American peoples attitude problem as thats what I cosider it to be. They are rude and arrogant towards police officers and are very happy to let everyone know they "Know their rights" or "You cant do or say that I am an AMERICAN cistizen" as if those are magic words that solve all problems.

There is a very low respect level for the police and that shows in the way police and public interact. Sadly the UK is rapidly going the same way.

There is a low level of respect for police, because they do nothing to foster community relations and typically adopt an disrespectful authoritarian attitude in the most minor of incidents. American cops are, by and large, abusive assholes, and this has only intensified since 9/11. I worked for a cop union for several years and what the public sees is only the tip of the iceberg.