Missouri Riots

[Jimbeaux]

Guam said:

Shot six times and not from close range, Autopsy results here.

Might be difficult to justify this one by the Police I feel.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727568/Au...

True. If that is the final outcome, he is in trouble and rightly so.

[Miguel Alvarez]

Jimbeaux said:

That bunch is not the "general public" but a small section with a big audience. Professional agitators like the "Reverend" Al Sharpton took off from his job at MSNBC to go and work his racist magic to further divide black and white. You lot likely wont see it on the BBC, but a number of prominent black figures are calling him out for doing nothing but making things worse.

I've never been a fan. Strikes me as an opportunist nothing more.

[Jimbeaux]

Miguel Alvarez said:

Jimbeaux said:

That bunch is not the "general public" but a small section with a big audience. Professional agitators like the "Reverend" Al Sharpton took off from his job at MSNBC to go and work his racist magic to further divide black and white. You lot likely wont see it on the BBC, but a number of prominent black figures are calling him out for doing nothing but making things worse.

I've never been a fan. Strikes me as an opportunist nothing more.

Yea, his track record is quite bad, going back to the 80s and the fake Twana Bradley rape he ginned up.
The question being asked more frequently here is that recently, there were 67 shooting in one weekend in Chicago (for example). No Al Sharpton or others of his ilk made a sound. Why is that? Is it possibly because those 67 shootings were black on black? You tell me. BTW, Obama feels compelled to stick his beak in this case but was silent when his home town, Chicago, had that blow up. New Orleans, here in my state, had a 7 victim shootout a few days ago, where are the Al Sharptons?? Oh, sorry, all black on black, no opportunity here. Sorry for not being PC, but facts trump PC. These race card opportunists are sickening.

[Miguel Alvarez]

Jimbeaux said:

Miguel Alvarez said:

Jimbeaux said:

That bunch is not the "general public" but a small section with a big audience. Professional agitators like the "Reverend" Al Sharpton took off from his job at MSNBC to go and work his racist magic to further divide black and white. You lot likely wont see it on the BBC, but a number of prominent black figures are calling him out for doing nothing but making things worse.

I've never been a fan. Strikes me as an opportunist nothing more.

Yea, his track record is quite bad, going back to the 80s and the fake Twana Bradley rape he ginned up.
The question being asked more frequently here is that recently, there were 67 shooting in one weekend in Chicago (for example). No Al Sharpton or others of his ilk made a sound. Why is that? Is it possibly because those 67 shootings were black on black? You tell me. BTW, Obama feels compelled to stick his beak in this case but was silent when his home town, Chicago, had that blow up. New Orleans, here in my state, had a 7 victim shootout a few days ago, where are the Al Sharptons?? Oh, sorry, all black on black, not opportunity here. Sorry for not being PC, but facts trump PC. These race card opportunists are sickening.

Sad but true and it annoys me truth be told. I'm sure the people living in these areas would love the support of Al Sharpton or someone similar for the under reported crimes but they don't seem to receive that support. "We" then parade around angry as soon as an "outsider" does something. If it wasn't so sad I'd find it funny.

That being said I've not really looked into this case at all so have no comment either way. I've been more interested in the Garner case TBH.

[Jimbeaux]

Miguel Alvarez said:

Jimbeaux said:

Miguel Alvarez said:

Jimbeaux said:

That bunch is not the "general public" but a small section with a big audience. Professional agitators like the "Reverend" Al Sharpton took off from his job at MSNBC to go and work his racist magic to further divide black and white. You lot likely wont see it on the BBC, but a number of prominent black figures are calling him out for doing nothing but making things worse.

I've never been a fan. Strikes me as an opportunist nothing more.

Yea, his track record is quite bad, going back to the 80s and the fake Twana Bradley rape he ginned up.
The question being asked more frequently here is that recently, there were 67 shooting in one weekend in Chicago (for example). No Al Sharpton or others of his ilk made a sound. Why is that? Is it possibly because those 67 shootings were black on black? You tell me. BTW, Obama feels compelled to stick his beak in this case but was silent when his home town, Chicago, had that blow up. New Orleans, here in my state, had a 7 victim shootout a few days ago, where are the Al Sharptons?? Oh, sorry, all black on black, not opportunity here. Sorry for not being PC, but facts trump PC. These race card opportunists are sickening.

Sad but true and it annoys me truth be told. I'm sure the people living in these areas would love the support of Al Sharpton or someone similar for the under reported crimes but they don't seem to receive that support. "We" then parade around angry as soon as an "outsider" does something. If it wasn't so sad I'd find it funny.

That being said I've not really looked into this case at all so have no comment either way. I've been more interested in the Garner case TBH.

Oh it may well be the cop is wrong. My gripe is the way certain communities burn down their own place around them. This happens more in areas were government entitlement is highest. They don't take care of what is around them because they did not have to earn it. There is the feeling of "They will just give us more, newer stuff".

Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 18th August 15:04

[paranoid airbag]

Some Gump said:

@ paranoid airbag,

From what I read this morning on the link above, they were being stopped for the robbery? If it was just jaywalking, obviously that changes a lot!

It changes nothing. That's the point. If the suspect did not present an immediate risk to the life of an innocent, then attempting to kill them is wrong. A gun is not a "make this target easier to catch" stick, or a "carry out my fantasy version of justice" stick.

It is a "make this person dead" stick.

Fail to use it responsibly and the distinction between cop and thug disappears.

[Miguel Alvarez]

Jimbeaux said:

Miguel Alvarez said:

Jimbeaux said:

Miguel Alvarez said:

Jimbeaux said:

That bunch is not the "general public" but a small section with a big audience. Professional agitators like the "Reverend" Al Sharpton took off from his job at MSNBC to go and work his racist magic to further divide black and white. You lot likely wont see it on the BBC, but a number of prominent black figures are calling him out for doing nothing but making things worse.

I've never been a fan. Strikes me as an opportunist nothing more.

Yea, his track record is quite bad, going back to the 80s and the fake Twana Bradley rape he ginned up.
The question being asked more frequently here is that recently, there were 67 shooting in one weekend in Chicago (for example). No Al Sharpton or others of his ilk made a sound. Why is that? Is it possibly because those 67 shootings were black on black? You tell me. BTW, Obama feels compelled to stick his beak in this case but was silent when his home town, Chicago, had that blow up. New Orleans, here in my state, had a 7 victim shootout a few days ago, where are the Al Sharptons?? Oh, sorry, all black on black, not opportunity here. Sorry for not being PC, but facts trump PC. These race card opportunists are sickening.

Sad but true and it annoys me truth be told. I'm sure the people living in these areas would love the support of Al Sharpton or someone similar for the under reported crimes but they don't seem to receive that support. "We" then parade around angry as soon as an "outsider" does something. If it wasn't so sad I'd find it funny.

That being said I've not really looked into this case at all so have no comment either way. I've been more interested in the Garner case TBH.

Oh it may well be the cop is wrong. My gripe is the way certain communities burn down their own place around them. This happens more in areas were government entitlement is highest. They don't take care of what is around them because they did not have to earn it. There is the feeling of "They will just give us more, newer stuff".

Sounds like missus when she borrows my car lol.

But back to being serious. Possibly. I'm of the opinion its a criminal element who want to take advantage of an unfortunate situation to loot and pillage. But then why can't it be both these reasons and more. Either way there aren't any winners. There are two clear things to be noted from this and other similar incidences and that America has some serious racism issues and black people on a whole could be doing alot more to help themselves. But everyone would rather point fingers instead of drawing a line under it and working together.

Edited by Miguel Alvarez on Monday 18th August 14:57

[Jimbeaux]

Miguel Alvarez said:

Jimbeaux said:

Miguel Alvarez said:

Jimbeaux said:

Miguel Alvarez said:

Jimbeaux said:

That bunch is not the "general public" but a small section with a big audience. Professional agitators like the "Reverend" Al Sharpton took off from his job at MSNBC to go and work his racist magic to further divide black and white. You lot likely wont see it on the BBC, but a number of prominent black figures are calling him out for doing nothing but making things worse.

I've never been a fan. Strikes me as an opportunist nothing more.

Yea, his track record is quite bad, going back to the 80s and the fake Twana Bradley rape he ginned up.
The question being asked more frequently here is that recently, there were 67 shooting in one weekend in Chicago (for example). No Al Sharpton or others of his ilk made a sound. Why is that? Is it possibly because those 67 shootings were black on black? You tell me. BTW, Obama feels compelled to stick his beak in this case but was silent when his home town, Chicago, had that blow up. New Orleans, here in my state, had a 7 victim shootout a few days ago, where are the Al Sharptons?? Oh, sorry, all black on black, not opportunity here. Sorry for not being PC, but facts trump PC. These race card opportunists are sickening.

Sad but true and it annoys me truth be told. I'm sure the people living in these areas would love the support of Al Sharpton or someone similar for the under reported crimes but they don't seem to receive that support. "We" then parade around angry as soon as an "outsider" does something. If it wasn't so sad I'd find it funny.

That being said I've not really looked into this case at all so have no comment either way. I've been more interested in the Garner case TBH.

Oh it may well be the cop is wrong. My gripe is the way certain communities burn down their own place around them. This happens more in areas were government entitlement is highest. They don't take care of what is around them because they did not have to earn it. There is the feeling of "They will just give us more, newer stuff".

Sounds like missus when she borrows my car lol.

But back to being serious. Possibly. I'm of the opinion its a criminal element who want to take advantage of an unfortunate situation to loot and pillage. But then why can't it be both these reasons and more. Either way there aren't any winners. There are two clear things to be noted from this and other similar incidences and that America has some serious racism issues and black people on a whole could be doing alot more to help themselves. But everyone would rather point fingers instead of drawing a line under it and working together.

Edited by Miguel Alvarez on Monday 18th August 14:57

Several black leaders on the tube telling the truth. They are increasingly saying that
"the time for blaming white folks, yellow folks, all other folks is past. It is time to look into the mirror and take responsibility. The type of mentality that is generationaly ingrained into a person that, for example, makes them believe they are entitled to walk into a grocery store and simply take what they want is symtomatic of the root problem.".
This cop may well have screwed up, and if so should pay the price. However, the larger problem, as illustrated above, is finally being adressed by responsible black leaders instead of just the racist merchants of misery like Sharpton.

[Beati Dogu]

Guam said:

Shot six times and not from close range, Autopsy results here.

Might be difficult to justify this one by the Police I feel.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727568/Au...

The use of numerous bullets won't be the issue, it's the lead up to their use that will be.

Michael Brown was 6'4" and almost 21 stone. If anything it's surprising he was only hit 6 times. I wonder how many were actually fired at him.

US police don't do warning shots, their verbal command to stop is the only warning you're likely to get. Nor do they shoot to wound. They're trained to keep firing until the "threat" is removed.

[Miguel Alvarez]

Jimbeaux said:

Several black leaders on the tube telling the truth. They are increasingly saying that
"the time for blaming white folks, yellow folks, all other folks is past. It is time to look into the mirror and take responsibility. The type of mentality that is generationaly ingrained into a person that, for example, makes them believe they are entitled to walk into a grocery store and simply take what they want is symtomatic of the root problem.".
This cop may well have screwed up, and if so should pay the price. However, the larger problem, as illustrated above, is finally being adressed by responsible black leaders instead of just the racist merchants of misery like Sharpton.

That's my thoughts. Whether people like Obama or not my stance is from the time America made a black man the president then anyone anywhere can achieve something if they want to. Time for excuses are over.

[shakotan]

Grumfutock said:

Some Gump said:

@ paranoid airbag,

From what I read this morning on the link above, they were being stopped for the robbery? If it was just jaywalking, obviously that changes a lot!

No the robbery bit was released later by the police. At the time it was for walking in the road.

The police changed their tune pretty sharpish when Anonymous got involved, hacked their servers, published the Dispatch calls from the time of the shooting which revealed a robbery hadn't even been reported at that time, and then took down their website.

[fido]

Guam said:

Shot six times and not from close range, Autopsy results here.

Might be difficult to justify this one by the Police I feel.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727568/Au...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28839522 - BREAKING NEWS - a whole 6 hours after this was posted here!

[rpguk]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

[redtwin]

Guam said:

Just watched the Medical examiner (for the family I believe), much more detailed than I anticipated, did wonder how much of that detail might jeapordise the Officers right to a fair trial?

If a fair trial is dependent on suppressing the truth or obscuring details of the crime, then no-one should have the right to one.

[GCH]

Shots are (roughly) in a line and all shot from the front.
Was he charging the officer and the shots are in a rising pattern?

Officer stops them for walking in the road unaware they were robbery suspects. Michael, knowing he has committed a robbery, panics and gets confrontational?

6 ft 3, built like an NFL tight end, charging aggressively? 6 shots from a glock or beretta come off very quickly.



I know a few cops, and discharging their weapon - and the consequences thereof- is not something they take lightly.

Edited by GCH on Monday 18th August 18:07

[unrepentant]

Given that you can be refused employment as a cop here for being too intelligent nobody should really be surprised about anything.

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/09/nyregion/metro-n...

I don't think people in Britain have any real understanding of how cops act here. It's different from the UK...

[Jimbeaux]

Beati Dogu said:

Guam said:

Shot six times and not from close range, Autopsy results here.

Might be difficult to justify this one by the Police I feel.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727568/Au...

The use of numerous bullets won't be the issue, it's the lead up to their use that will be.

Michael Brown was 6'4" and almost 21 stone. If anything it's surprising he was only hit 6 times. I wonder how many were actually fired at him.

US police don't do warning shots, their verbal command to stop is the only warning you're likely to get. Nor do they shoot to wound. They're trained to keep firing until the "threat" is removed.

This is all true; however, if the autopsy shows he was hit from behind or far enough away to not leave powder residue, then the cop is in the wrong on this one.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 18th August 18:31

[Jimbeaux]

redtwin said:

Guam said:

Just watched the Medical examiner (for the family I believe), much more detailed than I anticipated, did wonder how much of that detail might jeapordise the Officers right to a fair trial?

If a fair trial is dependent on suppressing the truth or obscuring details of the crime, then no-one should have the right to one.

Trials such as these are moved to other venues for a better chance at impartiality.

[unrepentant]

A sobering read and an example of why police departments investigating themselves is a little dangerous.


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/08/wha...

[paranoid airbag]

fido said:

Grumfutock said:

No the robbery bit was released later by the police. At the time it was for walking in the road obstructing traffic.

EFA. And before some Grauniad reader tells me 'that isn't a capital offence' ..

And someone on the ISIS thread said "western people are more tolerant".