Missouri Riots
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Foppo said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I think the simple reality is very few people know what happened, and at least one of those that does is dead.
I don't really get why racism seems to be implied practically every time a black man is shot dead by a Police officer.
Because the copper is white and put six bullets in a unarmed black man with his arms up.Predominantly black people area and no black coppers or very few.I don't really get why racism seems to be implied practically every time a black man is shot dead by a Police officer.
Obama is a puppet and he will never be the saviour of black people in the States.
Not saying the perp was a angel but he didn't deserve to die that way.
Perhaps it wasn't justified, the investigation will determine that, but would the outcome have been different had the victim been white i.e. did colour play a part in the pulling of the trigger?
I'm just not a fan of the race card being played almost every time someone black is killed by someone white before the facts are established.
Biscuit dunker said:
I don't think it's solely about a black guy being shot by a white cop - that's just the catalyst for much deeper unrest being expressed by a predominantly black community. Pretty much every indicator shows the average black american as being worse off than the average white american and they're getting a bit hacked off about it.
Not just worse off but treated differently too.I have a colleague who is African American. He's a respectable church going family man who happens to earn decent money and drive nice cars. Regularly gets stopped for no reason. It's a joke amongst my black friends that the offence is called DWB.
Racism is far worse here than in the UK. It pervades the right wing like a cancer and it's not just directed at blacks. Right wing politicians know immigration and fear of dark people is a hot button for the largely uneducated white voters who vote republican in the US and they use it as often as possible.
It's funny, I've been pulled (quite legitimately) for speeding twice in the past couple of years. I'm very obviously a foreigner with my strong British accent and I am not a US citizen but I've never been asked to show my green card or prove my immigration status. Had I been a brown skinned person I guarantee that would not have been the case.
unrepentant said:
Not just worse off but treated differently too.
I have a colleague who is African American. He's a respectable church going family man who happens to earn decent money and drive nice cars. Regularly gets stopped for no reason. It's a joke amongst my black friends that the offence is called DWB.
Racism is far worse here than in the UK. It pervades the right wing like a cancer and it's not just directed at blacks. Right wing politicians know immigration and fear of dark people is a hot button for the largely uneducated white voters who vote republican in the US and they use it as often as possible.
It's funny, I've been pulled (quite legitimately) for speeding twice in the past couple of years. I'm very obviously a foreigner with my strong British accent and I am not a US citizen but I've never been asked to show my green card or prove my immigration status. Had I been a brown skinned person I guarantee that would not have been the case.
UR, I have a legitimate question for you please, not trying to be confrontational. The portion of your statement that said the "largely uneducated voters who vote Republican"; are you insinuating that most people who vote Republican are uneducated or were you simply referring to the demographic segment of Republican voters that fit that catergory? Thanks.I have a colleague who is African American. He's a respectable church going family man who happens to earn decent money and drive nice cars. Regularly gets stopped for no reason. It's a joke amongst my black friends that the offence is called DWB.
Racism is far worse here than in the UK. It pervades the right wing like a cancer and it's not just directed at blacks. Right wing politicians know immigration and fear of dark people is a hot button for the largely uneducated white voters who vote republican in the US and they use it as often as possible.
It's funny, I've been pulled (quite legitimately) for speeding twice in the past couple of years. I'm very obviously a foreigner with my strong British accent and I am not a US citizen but I've never been asked to show my green card or prove my immigration status. Had I been a brown skinned person I guarantee that would not have been the case.
Biscuit dunker said:
I don't think it's solely about a black guy being shot by a white cop - that's just the catalyst for much deeper unrest being expressed by a predominantly black community. Pretty much every indicator shows the average black american as being worse off than the average white american and they're getting a bit hacked off about it.
Exactly. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this case I just don't understand why some people cant get this point.If the problems with black Americans are all due to white racism why is it that Asian Americans do so well? Are Asian Americans not subject to white racism?
Perhaps the problems of black Americans are due to their attitudes towards education, employment, family and generally bettering themselves without constant government assistance.
Perhaps the problems of black Americans are due to their attitudes towards education, employment, family and generally bettering themselves without constant government assistance.
supersingle said:
If the problems with black Americans are all due to white racism why is it that Asian Americans do so well? Are Asian Americans not subject to white racism?
Perhaps the problems of black Americans are due to their attitudes towards education, employment, family and generally bettering themselves without constant government assistance.
Are you saying black americans have a genetic disposition towards laziness, apathy towards family and a need to be looked after rather than bettering themselves?Perhaps the problems of black Americans are due to their attitudes towards education, employment, family and generally bettering themselves without constant government assistance.
If not, and I assume that's the case, you must surely agree the cause is environment?
Biscuit dunker said:
supersingle said:
If the problems with black Americans are all due to white racism why is it that Asian Americans do so well? Are Asian Americans not subject to white racism?
Perhaps the problems of black Americans are due to their attitudes towards education, employment, family and generally bettering themselves without constant government assistance.
Are you saying black americans have a genetic disposition towards laziness, apathy towards family and a need to be looked after rather than bettering themselves?Perhaps the problems of black Americans are due to their attitudes towards education, employment, family and generally bettering themselves without constant government assistance.
If not, and I assume that's the case, you must surely agree the cause is environment?
Meanwhile, back at the Ranch...
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Seconds out, Round 2.
supersingle said:
If the problems with black Americans are all due to white racism why is it that Asian Americans do so well? Are Asian Americans not subject to white racism?
Perhaps the problems of black Americans are due to their attitudes towards education, employment, family and generally bettering themselves without constant government assistance.
It's a very good question,Perhaps the problems of black Americans are due to their attitudes towards education, employment, family and generally bettering themselves without constant government assistance.
One possible answer COULD be, the majority of Asian American parents are immigrants and came to the usa to better themselves, believing in the American dream , education etc etc. the ones that make the journeys are by selection the ones that wanted to be in the USA.
The majority of black American parents were born in the USA, grew up in the 50s and 60's witnessed (and experienced) segregation, the klan, lynching and pretty much lives as second class citizens (with little access to education or the American dream). This MAY go some way to the deep seated resentment, mistrust and lack of support for the establishment.
Not sure what the answer is, America did very badly treat blacks a generation a go, they still is significantly limited opportunities (and achievement) for blacks today.
Its all about education.
There's plenty of uneducated white people on the same socioeconomic level as the uneducated black people. You might have heard of them described as "trailer trash".
Ok black people still have a level of discrimination against them but at least their houses don't have wheels.
Things are even made easier for them.
Their IQ tests get marked up an extra 10% over the actual result "to compensate for cultural differences.
There is also positive discrimination in the job market to favour them all that's asked of them is to make use of the education offered to them.
There's plenty of uneducated white people on the same socioeconomic level as the uneducated black people. You might have heard of them described as "trailer trash".
Ok black people still have a level of discrimination against them but at least their houses don't have wheels.
Things are even made easier for them.
Their IQ tests get marked up an extra 10% over the actual result "to compensate for cultural differences.
There is also positive discrimination in the job market to favour them all that's asked of them is to make use of the education offered to them.
supersingle said:
If the problems with black Americans are all due to white racism why is it that Asian Americans do so well? Are Asian Americans not subject to white racism?
Perhaps the problems of black Americans are due to their attitudes towards education, employment, family and generally bettering themselves without constant government assistance.
Are you serious?Perhaps the problems of black Americans are due to their attitudes towards education, employment, family and generally bettering themselves without constant government assistance.
You do understand the history of this country do you? You do know that segregation existed into the 1960's where if you were black you were not allowed to eat, drink, sleep, s
t or ride where "nice white folks" did? That it wasn't too long before that that a white "owner" was able to own your black ass like he owned his horse or dog? Black people have always been second class here and you should never underestimate how pervasive those attitudes still are.FYI if you're Indian or Pakistani or Bangladeshi or Middle Eastern (white FOX News watching Republican voting Americans can't tell and are not interested in the differences anyway - you're all "muslims" to them) you can get used to being called a "carpet flyer" or a "camel jockey" or any number of derogatory terms by the aforementioned Limbaughesque intelligensia.
unrepentant said:
Are you serious?
You do understand the history of this country do you? You do know that segregation existed into the 1960's where if you were black you were not allowed to eat, drink, sleep, st or ride where "nice white folks" did? That it wasn't too long before that that a white "owner" was able to own your black ass like he owned his horse or dog? Black people have always been second class here and you should never underestimate how pervasive those attitudes still are.
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I don't expect the "problem" will be fully resolved in the next 5 decades, do you?You do understand the history of this country do you? You do know that segregation existed into the 1960's where if you were black you were not allowed to eat, drink, sleep, s
t or ride where "nice white folks" did? That it wasn't too long before that that a white "owner" was able to own your black ass like he owned his horse or dog? Black people have always been second class here and you should never underestimate how pervasive those attitudes still are..
Biscuit dunker said:
supersingle said:
If the problems with black Americans are all due to white racism why is it that Asian Americans do so well? Are Asian Americans not subject to white racism?
Perhaps the problems of black Americans are due to their attitudes towards education, employment, family and generally bettering themselves without constant government assistance.
Are you saying black americans have a genetic disposition towards laziness, apathy towards family and a need to be looked after rather than bettering themselves?Perhaps the problems of black Americans are due to their attitudes towards education, employment, family and generally bettering themselves without constant government assistance.
If not, and I assume that's the case, you must surely agree the cause is environment?
Mermaid said:
unrepentant said:
Are you serious?
You do understand the history of this country do you? You do know that segregation existed into the 1960's where if you were black you were not allowed to eat, drink, sleep, st or ride where "nice white folks" did? That it wasn't too long before that that a white "owner" was able to own your black ass like he owned his horse or dog? Black people have always been second class here and you should never underestimate how pervasive those attitudes still are.
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I don't expect the "problem" will be fully resolved in the next 5 decades, do you?You do understand the history of this country do you? You do know that segregation existed into the 1960's where if you were black you were not allowed to eat, drink, sleep, s
t or ride where "nice white folks" did? That it wasn't too long before that that a white "owner" was able to own your black ass like he owned his horse or dog? Black people have always been second class here and you should never underestimate how pervasive those attitudes still are..
Eventually ingrained racism in whites (as lets face it, that is the problem) will eventually die out.
Tonberry said:
Mermaid said:
unrepentant said:
Are you serious?
You do understand the history of this country do you? You do know that segregation existed into the 1960's where if you were black you were not allowed to eat, drink, sleep, st or ride where "nice white folks" did? That it wasn't too long before that that a white "owner" was able to own your black ass like he owned his horse or dog? Black people have always been second class here and you should never underestimate how pervasive those attitudes still are.
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I don't expect the "problem" will be fully resolved in the next 5 decades, do you?You do understand the history of this country do you? You do know that segregation existed into the 1960's where if you were black you were not allowed to eat, drink, sleep, s
t or ride where "nice white folks" did? That it wasn't too long before that that a white "owner" was able to own your black ass like he owned his horse or dog? Black people have always been second class here and you should never underestimate how pervasive those attitudes still are..
Eventually ingrained racism in whites (as lets face it, that is the problem) will eventually die out.
Jimbeaux said:
Mermaid said:
Tonberry said:
Eventually ingrained racism in whites (as lets face it, that is the problem) will eventually die out.
Cannot clap with one hand, needs moderation/adaptation on all sides.Tonberry said:
It needs more time. I find the younger generation are generally more tolerant to those different to them.
Eventually ingrained racism in whites (as lets face it, that is the problem) will eventually die out.
You must be fEventually ingrained racism in whites (as lets face it, that is the problem) will eventually die out.
king joking!!I've been on the receiving end of racism from just about every ethnic minority in Britain at one time or another, save for the Chinese.
Being white of course, it can't have been actual racism as only us whiteys do that. Maybe the violence wasn't real either.
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