Yet another UKIP blunder

[s2art]

pcvdriver said:

acd80 said:

Jasandjules said:

Oh dear. Sadly IQ tests are not required to stand for election.

I'm not a UKIP supporter however you could argue the same for every political party and their members / candidates.

However, it has to be said that UKIP seem to have more than the average fair share of unintended utterances, don't they? Way more than average - which tends to speak volumes about them.....

Yup. It says that most of them are not professional politicians, not well coached in being politically correct at all times. Whats not to like?

[s2art]

pcvdriver said:

Randy Winkman said:

s2art said:

I am pretty sure you can be libertarian but still a bit racist (even if its unconscious, casual racism). So what has that got to do with it? Are you saying that being a socialist allows you to be racist but a libertarian cannot be?

They're only libertarian for British people aren't they?

The only difference I can see, is when others make these awfully chosen "witticisms" they know it's time to get their coat. UKIP members don't seem to have the same sense of what's appropriate and what's clearly not.

Perhaps you should point this out to Jack Dromey, Dianne Abbot, Boris Johnston etc. etc. Did they 'get their coats'?

[mrpurple]

s2art said:

Perhaps you should point this out to Jack Dromey, Dianne Abbot, Boris Johnston etc. etc. Did they 'get their coats'?

Not to mention GB and the bigoted woman comments.

[Randy Winkman]

Mojocvh said:

Starting early chaps?

http://www.ukip.org/bbc_panorama_programme_plannin...

That must've been written by a PHer.

[league67]

mrpurple said:

s2art said:

Perhaps you should point this out to Jack Dromey, Dianne Abbot, Boris Johnston etc. etc. Did they 'get their coats'?

Not to mention GB and the bigoted woman comments.

And bankers, and EU. And windmills, And boko haram.

Typical kipper response to "UKIP number two" telling supporters what she really thinks of them. Number two indeed.

[TheRealFingers99]

s2art said:

I am pretty sure you can be libertarian but still a bit racist (even if its unconscious, casual racism). So what has that got to do with it? Are you saying that being a socialist allows you to be racist but a libertarian cannot be?

What if you're a libertarian socialist?

UKIP libertarian? Only in the carpet bagging unfettered exploiter sense!

[s2art]

TheRealFingers99 said:

s2art said:

I am pretty sure you can be libertarian but still a bit racist (even if its unconscious, casual racism). So what has that got to do with it? Are you saying that being a socialist allows you to be racist but a libertarian cannot be?

What if you're a libertarian socialist?

UKIP libertarian? Only in the carpet bagging unfettered exploiter sense!

Libertarian socialist? Oxymoron.

UKIP is decidedly more libertarian than the mainstream parties. Why do you think not?

[TheRealFingers99]

s2art said:

Libertarian socialist? Oxymoron.

UKIP is decidedly more libertarian than the mainstream parties. Why do you think not?

B***cks.

Chomsky is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkaO12X-h1Y

Urban Dictionary have a short piece: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lib...

This is a good, short, description:

"Libertarian = a person advocating total individual freedom through minimizing the role of the government.

Socialism = the abolition of privately held means of production.

A libertarian socialist sees the state as a coercive authoritarian institution which the elite uses to exploit the people. A libertarian socialist sees capitalism as a way for the ones with money, i.e. power, to enforce oppression on the ones who don't.

Free market is about as fair as the freedom to kill an innocent person."

I see UKIP (and the Libertarian Right in the States which it seeks to ape) as a populist movement led by largely muddle headed fools and opportunists. They would seek to oppress minorities, preserve a strange notion of English patriotism, and remove the benefits of the oppressed.

See for example, the Libertarian Right's opposition to healthcare and employment law in the US.

That's not "we want bread and roses too", but "put the working class bds back on zero hour contracts and make the f**kers pay for their health care". All this within a nation state which has no advantages -- for "ordinary people" -- over a federal Europe.

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 19th August 00:25

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 19th August 00:32

[jimbop1]

The more I read and see about UKIP the more I like them.

Was this really 'disgusting' etcetera etcetera? No. People need to get a grip.

[Kermit power]

I'm more staggered by the couple.

Does nobody else see the irony in this bloke buying himself a foreign mail order bride and then joining an anti immigration party?

"Well no, off course I don't include my wife in the numbers of people coming over here taking our jobs. I only brought her over after I'd spent 35 years establishing beyond doubt that no British woman was prepared to carry out the job".

Still, if such hypocrisy is good enough for the party leader....

[tenpenceshort]

Guam said:

Interesting how no thread was started about the Lib Dems being accused of institutional Racism by a former Black Female member (last week), are the PH complainers selective in their condemnation these days?

All racism is offensive and should be attacked, however one should not be selective due to political bias imho!

If the actions of another individual are newsworthy and bother you sufficiently, start another thread about it. This thread was started in response to the UKIP member's racist comments and is about their poor behaviour.

In considering whether the behaviour of this individual is acceptable, the behaviour of others is irrelevant.

In any event, incidents such as these will do little to erode UKIP's current support base for two reasons; 1, they tend to sympathise with the xenophobic opinions of UKIP and/or 2. They are so disillusioned with the other parties, they're prepared to ignore such behaviour in order to make their protest.

[HonestIago]

It is a disappointing episode from UKIP, but not remotely significant. This doesn't alter my intention to vote for them a jot. We ALL say things we shouldn't, UKIP just haven't had the same media/diversity/PC training that the other parties have had.

I still firmly believe they are a force for good and not a hotbed of malevolent evil racists as some on here would have one think.

[FredClogs]

Guam said:

Interesting how no thread was started about the Lib Dems being accused of institutional Racism by a former Black Female member (last week), are the PH complainers selective in their condemnation these days?

All racism is offensive and should be attacked, however one should not be selective due to political bias imho!

If little Johnny ran under a bus, would you?

[FredClogs]

TheRealFingers99 said:

s2art said:

Libertarian socialist? Oxymoron.

UKIP is decidedly more libertarian than the mainstream parties. Why do you think not?

B***cks.

Chomsky is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkaO12X-h1Y

Urban Dictionary have a short piece: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lib...

This is a good, short, description:

"Libertarian = a person advocating total individual freedom through minimizing the role of the government.

Socialism = the abolition of privately held means of production.

A libertarian socialist sees the state as a coercive authoritarian institution which the elite uses to exploit the people. A libertarian socialist sees capitalism as a way for the ones with money, i.e. power, to enforce oppression on the ones who don't.

Free market is about as fair as the freedom to kill an innocent person."

I see UKIP (and the Libertarian Right in the States which it seeks to ape) as a populist movement led by largely muddle headed fools and opportunists. They would seek to oppress minorities, preserve a strange notion of English patriotism, and remove the benefits of the oppressed.

See for example, the Libertarian Right's opposition to healthcare and employment law in the US.

That's not "we want bread and roses too", but "put the working class bds back on zero hour contracts and make the f**kers pay for their health care". All this within a nation state which has no advantages -- for "ordinary people" -- over a federal Europe.

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 19th August 00:25

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 19th August 00:32

Quoting Chomsky to the Kippers on these forums is like reading Hamlet to your dog, it may make you feel better but it's ultimately a waste of time

[Art0ir]

TheRealFingers99 said:

B***cks.

Chomsky is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkaO12X-h1Y

Urban Dictionary have a short piece: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lib...

This is a good, short, description:

"Libertarian = a person advocating total individual freedom through minimizing the role of the government.

Socialism = the abolition of privately held means of production.

A libertarian socialist sees the state as a coercive authoritarian institution which the elite uses to exploit the people. A libertarian socialist sees capitalism as a way for the ones with money, i.e. power, to enforce oppression on the ones who don't.

Free market is about as fair as the freedom to kill an innocent person."

I see UKIP (and the Libertarian Right in the States which it seeks to ape) as a populist movement led by largely muddle headed fools and opportunists. They would seek to oppress minorities, preserve a strange notion of English patriotism, and remove the benefits of the oppressed.

See for example, the Libertarian Right's opposition to healthcare and employment law in the US.

That's not "we want bread and roses too", but "put the working class bds back on zero hour contracts and make the f**kers pay for their health care". All this within a nation state which has no advantages -- for "ordinary people" -- over a federal Europe.

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 19th August 00:25

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 19th August 00:32

Is that why Farage has praised the NHS and called for an end to zero hour contracts?

[FredClogs]

Guam said:

FredClogs said:

If little Johnny ran under a bus, would you?

Classic Matt Nun nonsense post.

The point is those like you seem to disregard other racism in other parties but froth at the mouth over UKIP, racism is racism where ever it originates.

Classic Guam post, putting words in the mouths of others, creating strawmen to attack, typical Kipper mentality.
I have no political allegiance what so ever, I call it as I see it, this is a conversation about a news item. At least you're starting to accept that this kind of stuff is racist rather than suggesting it's just plain talking common sense and a bit of banter - a step in the right direction.

[tenpenceshort]

Guam said:

<yawn> thought we had agreed to disregard each other posts?

Ignore discussing actual issues all you want. We all know your next step when pressed to do so is to run to the moderators. Maybe one day you'll actually answer an issue at hand instead of pretending you're a politician?

[league67]

Guam said:

Interesting how no thread was started about the Lib Dems being accused of institutional Racism by a former Black Female member (last week), are the PH complainers selective in their condemnation these days?

All racism is offensive and should be attacked, however one should not be selective due to political bias imho!

Why don't you start one? Or is it easier to bh and moan about bias.

[league67]

HonestIago said:

It is a disappointing episode from UKIP, but not remotely significant. This doesn't alter my intention to vote for them a jot. We ALL say things we shouldn't, UKIP just haven't had the same media/diversity/PC training that the other parties have had.



I still firmly believe they are a force for good and not a hotbed of malevolent evil racists as some on here would have one think.

In an article linked to by UKIP supporter, result of the research was that typical UKIP voter is an older, white, poorly educated, working class male.

Be honest to yourself, and if you are, you'll see that there is nothing that any of UKIP top brass says that will make you reconsider voting.
Hats off to Nigel for creating (stumbling upon?) religion. Religion of not terribly bright left behinds. To appeal to that demographic you just need to find appropriate scape goat on which to blame fact that your life didn't turn out as you hoped.

Edited by league67 on Tuesday 19th August 10:04

[HonestIago]

league67 said:

In an article linked to by UKIP supporter there were result of the research where typical UKIP voter is an older, white, poorly educated, working class male.

Be honest to yourself, and if you are you'll see that there is nothing that any of UKIP top brass say that will make you reconsider voting.
Hats off to Nigel for creating (stumbling upon?) religion. Religion of not terribly bright left behinds. To appeal to that demographic you just need to find appropriate scape goat on which to blame fact that your life didn't turned out as you hoped.

Correct, because the prospect of voting for either Labour, Conservatives or LibDems is utterly appalling. UKIP are the best option as far as I see things. Immigration is a very small part of their appeal. For me; less government, lower taxes, greater social mobility, less bureaucracy, lower crime tolerance and less wasting taxpayers' money on overseas wars/intervention/aid are the sort of policies I'd like the UK government to pursue.

It has nothing to do with any supposed "scapegoating" nor any failures of my own. Calling UKIP supporters "not terribly bright left behinds" is pathetic, try using arguments rather than name-calling.