US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
Discussion
fesuvious said:
No it isn't. It really isn't.
And not once did I say Jihad was 'the taking of life'. I said that the taking of life was acceptable as part of a, and as a consequence of - Jihad.
Don't twist what I write.
Who is twisting words? Shame on you for letting the media brain-wash you.And not once did I say Jihad was 'the taking of life'. I said that the taking of life was acceptable as part of a, and as a consequence of - Jihad.
Don't twist what I write.
Edited by Twincharge on Wednesday 20th August 17:38
The Don of Croy said:
I'm not sure if this was discussed before - this child was born and raised in Sydney, British mum and islamic convert father. Dad has now taken his boys to Syria to partake in assorted nastiness, but tweets this picture with the tag 'That's my boy!'.
The censored bit is a Syrian army soldier's severed head. The dad is apparently with IS / ISIS.
Meanwhile in Holland (from www.steynonline.com)
ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It's a preconceived plan by Zionists who want to deliberately blacken Islam's name.
Who is Yasmina Haifi? She's an official at the Dutch Ministry of Justice who serves as project leader at the Netherlands' National Cyber Security Center. And she thinks Isis is a Zionist plot to make Islam look bad.
Back at home it is quite difficult to explain to my 11yo son what, exactly, is going on in some parts of the World...
And there was me feeling like a dictator telling my 8yo son it is wrong to burn ants with a magnifying glass on a sunny day.The censored bit is a Syrian army soldier's severed head. The dad is apparently with IS / ISIS.
Meanwhile in Holland (from www.steynonline.com)
ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It's a preconceived plan by Zionists who want to deliberately blacken Islam's name.
Who is Yasmina Haifi? She's an official at the Dutch Ministry of Justice who serves as project leader at the Netherlands' National Cyber Security Center. And she thinks Isis is a Zionist plot to make Islam look bad.
Back at home it is quite difficult to explain to my 11yo son what, exactly, is going on in some parts of the World...
What a miserable state of affairs some kids are brought up in.
Anyone actually seen the video. Poor fella and his family and friends.
ISIS have what they want they know what they're doing, we're talking about it and talking about religion in divisive and exclusive terms, they don't care if they turn off 99% of muslims to their cause, the 1 in 100 young disaffected, excluded and disenfranchised young men watching the mayhem online who will sympathies with their ridiculous aims is what they're fishing for. To be fair they're playing the game and seem to be holding some good cards.
ISIS have what they want they know what they're doing, we're talking about it and talking about religion in divisive and exclusive terms, they don't care if they turn off 99% of muslims to their cause, the 1 in 100 young disaffected, excluded and disenfranchised young men watching the mayhem online who will sympathies with their ridiculous aims is what they're fishing for. To be fair they're playing the game and seem to be holding some good cards.
Twincharge said:
It can't be religion, as murder is condemned in Islam. So you see, you cannot be a Muslim if you take another's life. Don't be so narrow minded, just because one calls himself a muslim does not make one a muslim. You have to live like one too.
We are talking about a minority here, people who like to see the world burn, religion or no religion. Look at whats going on in Ferguson, thugs coming in from Texas just to take part in the destruction and violence.
All of a sudden 'all' muslims are murders - lovely stereotyping there. I recall the Irish went through something similar some years back, labels are not nice.
The thing is though, regardless of which muslims are the "real" ones, one group is beheading and crucifying just about everyone in their path. And imo, the majority of Muslims have not nearly been strong enough in their condemnation of this ISIS lot. We know there is radicalisation happening in mosques across the UK, why are the Muslim communities not outing these Mad Mullah types? Why are these communities not shopping their kids who are travelling to the middle east for the purposes of murdering and pillaging? Clearly, the extremists are the minority, but if the majority are sick of being tarred with the same brush as the minority, they could frankly do more to improve their image with a bit of positive PR.We are talking about a minority here, people who like to see the world burn, religion or no religion. Look at whats going on in Ferguson, thugs coming in from Texas just to take part in the destruction and violence.
All of a sudden 'all' muslims are murders - lovely stereotyping there. I recall the Irish went through something similar some years back, labels are not nice.
The Birmingham school scandal shows how insidious these mullahs are, why did it take so long for their cover to be blown in that school? The communities are secretive, and that doesn't help. They need to be open and honest about the cancer in their midst and root it out, expose it so the authorities can taken action, but they don't seem willing. I refuse to believe these extremists are working in secret and that the members of their communities don't know who they are or what they are doing.
s1962a said:
Lost soul said:
But they do what they do using the name of islam
Doesn't make it right.Do you equate what these barbarians do in the name of Islam to what the vast majority of muslims practice in this country?
but I find all religion abhorrent) are the only ones trying to stop this nonsense. Maybe it is about time your Muslim brothers in charge took a hold and put and end to journalists getting their throats slit in the name of Islam? (It's just a question?).VinceFox said:
The majority, the VAST f
kING MAJORITY of this entire mess could be solved by the outright banning of anyone who believes in any religion being able to have any determining influence. On either side.
That's my (simplistic) view of the situation also. There's still plenty of space on this planet for everyone to get along and help each other, hopefully in a few generations time it might settle down.kING MAJORITY of this entire mess could be solved by the outright banning of anyone who believes in any religion being able to have any determining influence. On either side.s1962a said:
So thats one example - keep em coming
Who indoctrinated her? How did she become radicalised? Thats what we need to focus on.
Here's more http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/04/uk-po...Who indoctrinated her? How did she become radicalised? Thats what we need to focus on.
Three charities being investigated (3rd of the way down the article)
Mastodon2 said:
The thing is though, regardless of which muslims are the "real" ones, one group is beheading and crucifying just about everyone in their path. And imo, the majority of Muslims have not nearly been strong enough in their condemnation of this ISIS lot. We know there is radicalisation happening in mosques across the UK, why are the Muslim communities not outing these Mad Mullah types? Why are these communities not shopping their kids who are travelling to the middle east for the purposes of murdering and pillaging? Clearly, the extremists are the minority, but if the majority are sick of being tarred with the same brush as the minority, they could frankly do more to improve their image with a bit of positive PR.
The Birmingham school scandal shows how insidious these mullahs are, why did it take so long for their cover to be blown in that school? The communities are secretive, and that doesn't help. They need to be open and honest about the cancer in their midst and root it out, expose it so the authorities can taken action, but they don't seem willing. I refuse to believe these extremists are working in secret and that the members of their communities don't know who they are or what they are doing.
A good post The Birmingham school scandal shows how insidious these mullahs are, why did it take so long for their cover to be blown in that school? The communities are secretive, and that doesn't help. They need to be open and honest about the cancer in their midst and root it out, expose it so the authorities can taken action, but they don't seem willing. I refuse to believe these extremists are working in secret and that the members of their communities don't know who they are or what they are doing.
Guam said:
One has to wonder how we are raising this Scum in what we believe to be a civilised society, its not just a one off unfortunately either, from earlier news reports it appears that our fellow Brits are wallowing in the blood and gore and seem proud of being barbarians.
The line they get radicalised by the internet is wearing a bit thin now, something is clearly wrong in an small subset of our communities for our children to grow into this kind of specimen imho!
We need to ascertain who or what is churning out these monsters.
I believe it is rather obvious. The hate preachers and their cohorts are not unknown. The question is when is the scale of PC tipped by evil acts? Maybe a jihadi hacking someone up on a London street.....Oh, wait.....The line they get radicalised by the internet is wearing a bit thin now, something is clearly wrong in an small subset of our communities for our children to grow into this kind of specimen imho!
We need to ascertain who or what is churning out these monsters.
Qwert1e said:
Guam said:
We need to ascertain who or what is churning out these monsters.
How about,- Imaginary weapons of mass destruction in Iraq
- Imaginary connections between Saddam Hussein and Al Quaeda
- The fragmentation of a major Middle eastern country, Iraq, by war and destruction with no viable end game
- Extraordinary rendition
- Institutionalised torture
- Guantanamo Bay
JensenA said:
Mastodon2 said:
The thing is though, regardless of which muslims are the "real" ones, one group is beheading and crucifying just about everyone in their path. And imo, the majority of Muslims have not nearly been strong enough in their condemnation of this ISIS lot. We know there is radicalisation happening in mosques across the UK, why are the Muslim communities not outing these Mad Mullah types? Why are these communities not shopping their kids who are travelling to the middle east for the purposes of murdering and pillaging? Clearly, the extremists are the minority, but if the majority are sick of being tarred with the same brush as the minority, they could frankly do more to improve their image with a bit of positive PR.
The Birmingham school scandal shows how insidious these mullahs are, why did it take so long for their cover to be blown in that school? The communities are secretive, and that doesn't help. They need to be open and honest about the cancer in their midst and root it out, expose it so the authorities can taken action, but they don't seem willing. I refuse to believe these extremists are working in secret and that the members of their communities don't know who they are or what they are doing.
A good post The Birmingham school scandal shows how insidious these mullahs are, why did it take so long for their cover to be blown in that school? The communities are secretive, and that doesn't help. They need to be open and honest about the cancer in their midst and root it out, expose it so the authorities can taken action, but they don't seem willing. I refuse to believe these extremists are working in secret and that the members of their communities don't know who they are or what they are doing.
Gargamel said:
Isis could so easily agree to abide by the Geneva Convention on warfare and gain much political capital by doing so in my view.
Yea, and before you know it, they will call a truce at Christmas and both sides will walk into no man's land and share tea and a carol. I totally understand your point but come on, step back and look at who you are talking about. 
tenpenceshort said:
We're ('the West') perpetuating a cycle. In the face of provocation we react and those who provoke us use the reaction as a sales pitch to recruit yet more opponents, and on it goes. If we're going to try and make friends with these people we need to stop blowing up their high streets and start feeding their pockets and sphere of knowledge.
By educating and lifting them out of abject ignorance and poverty the grip of Islam will reduce and the lure of extremist views will lessen. As long as there remains such a gap in wealth between us and the only exposure to our differences being the quality of the rockets raining down on them, there will be an ideological conflict.
There was never another group gripped by poverty in the UK? Did they get to this level? As was stated, many of these travelling jihadists are educated, relatively well to dos. What is the reason for them?By educating and lifting them out of abject ignorance and poverty the grip of Islam will reduce and the lure of extremist views will lessen. As long as there remains such a gap in wealth between us and the only exposure to our differences being the quality of the rockets raining down on them, there will be an ideological conflict.
Guam said:
Jimbeaux said:
Yea, and before you know it, they will call a truce at Christmas and both sides will walk into no man's land and share tea and a carol. I totally understand your point but come on, step back and look at who you are talking about.
You forget the Football (soccer to you philistines), thats your card marked for death by penalty kick.Mermaid said:
JensenA said:
Mastodon2 said:
The thing is though, regardless of which muslims are the "real" ones, one group is beheading and crucifying just about everyone in their path. And imo, the majority of Muslims have not nearly been strong enough in their condemnation of this ISIS lot. We know there is radicalisation happening in mosques across the UK, why are the Muslim communities not outing these Mad Mullah types? Why are these communities not shopping their kids who are travelling to the middle east for the purposes of murdering and pillaging? Clearly, the extremists are the minority, but if the majority are sick of being tarred with the same brush as the minority, they could frankly do more to improve their image with a bit of positive PR.
The Birmingham school scandal shows how insidious these mullahs are, why did it take so long for their cover to be blown in that school? The communities are secretive, and that doesn't help. They need to be open and honest about the cancer in their midst and root it out, expose it so the authorities can taken action, but they don't seem willing. I refuse to believe these extremists are working in secret and that the members of their communities don't know who they are or what they are doing.
A good post The Birmingham school scandal shows how insidious these mullahs are, why did it take so long for their cover to be blown in that school? The communities are secretive, and that doesn't help. They need to be open and honest about the cancer in their midst and root it out, expose it so the authorities can taken action, but they don't seem willing. I refuse to believe these extremists are working in secret and that the members of their communities don't know who they are or what they are doing.
Why do we not expect the same uproar from those of African decent or perhaps similar religious backgrounds? I guess if those groups had the wherewithal to commit terrorist atrocities on our home soil we might?
I also wonder (rhetorically) why our govts pay less attention to that part of the world too.
(The chap who did the execution, btw, should be found and left on the battlefield of his crusade permanently).
This is an interesting article on some of this subject I thought.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/bruce-thornton/no...
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/bruce-thornton/no...
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